Posted by Skar on 08/16
I've finally begun reviewing the log of the pk Q&A that was held
recently. I haven't reviewed it all yet, but I have something to
One of the recurring themes in the discussion was the
dissatisfaction with the reject command. Players can essentially use
their rejects and accepts as a filter, only accepting attacks from
their target and preventing the target (unfairly, in my opinion)
from obtaining any assistance whatsoever.
In addition, people are concerned that filtering attacks would
facilitate multi-kill, forcing them to stand around helplessly while
the target -- a brave healer, perhaps -- is murdered again and
At the same time, the imm staff doesn't want people to be forced to
pkill with people who might abuse them -- perhaps using just this
technique. Players must retain the ability to reject those that
abuse the system.
I'd like to re-enter a suggestion into the discussion: force
characters to accept all challenges if their target is accepting all
challenges. I initially suggested it here on the discussion board.
As of this writing, the post is number 23. Read it, because I'm
making a slightly different point here that addresses the concerns
If I'm accept all, you have to accept all to attack me. You can't
filter out the attacks of my clanmates. You can't stop somebody from
turning on accept all to defend me if you're multi-killing me. This
is an incentive for people to participate fully in the new pk
system, because it actually provides an additional measure of
At the same time, nobody is forced to accept all. If they try to
attack me, they get a message to the effect that 'Skar is accepting
all challenges. You must accept all challenges to attack him.'
Nobody gets fooled, and if they don't want to play that way, they
don't have to.
Finally, if they decide to accept all and attack, they can reverse
their decision in 48 ticks. Their risk -- and risk was a big topic,
it seems -- is limited.
This idea doesn't address any other concerns -- like looting -- nor
is it intended to. It is intended to give people protection from
those that would abuse the code to filter out the support of their
friends while preserving freedom of choice.
Monday, August 07, 07:45PM
sounds like a great idea to me.
but will people actually accept all to attack
you, or will the say the hell with that risk?
remains to be seen I guess.
-Jesus Christ, Superstar.
Tuesday, August 08, 11:09AM
Yes, I would be suspicious of such a thing, if it were me.
I want to attack you, but now I have to be accept all.
How many of your friends are hiding close by, ready to jump
on me as soon as I poke you with something sharp.
But then.. every system can and will be abused to a point.
Just gotta find the loopholes and expose them.
Tuesday, August 08, 11:59AM
By the way, I have to apologize to Huginn; he talked me out of this idea
last time, but now I can't remember what his arguments were. At any rate,
I found them persuasive until I forgot them. Maybe he can re-state them.
The way it would work is this: if I have 'all' in my accept list, you have
to have 'all' in your accept list. If you don't have 'all' in your list, I
can explicitly add you to my list and we can fight.
You and I can still fight, and you can still reject any assistance, but I
have to consent to it by accepting you explicitly.
Tuesday, August 08, 09:43PM
So basically.. you're accepting -All-
except you're not
you only accepting people who are accepting all
Which.. is nice on your part, because you don't have to
worry about people you reject assiting people you accept
simply because they accept you for the time being
It is one way to keep people from abusing the code.
I would rather see people abuse the code and be punished for it
(call me vindictive)
than continue to patch the code
(the reverse and more positive opinion of that would be
I'd rather see people -not- abuse the code and we not have
to worry about it, since everyone -should- be obeying the rules
Wednesday, August 09, 10:41AM
Great idea, skar
Friday, August 11, 05:15AM
well if u think they waiting for u with a pack of friends
that's -if- they waiting for u with a pack of friends
bring a horde of your own and whoopem! =0
blah wrong happyface, i'll juz do the Homer one (_8^(|)
Wednesday, August 16, 06:15PM
If you get wolfpacked, just reject them after the fight
that is the ideal that pkok was implemented under
(and we will see if it (hopefully) lives up to it.)