Posted by Chanel on 07/06
well, I'm not real sure how long it's been since pkok was put
in, but I've been in japan for a year now, and it was in when I
here. I think the time has come to evaluate where pkok stands.
Are we really better off with pkok then we were in the old system?
I say no. there are tons more bugs, that go ignored.. like
inspire. there are so many loopholes that lead to crossplay
and multiplay. I think, if you ask around, that people in general
will tell you pkok is being abused by the players, and that
the imms don't care, as long as they "don't have to deal with
I strongly suggest we put in a poll, asking who would
rather have oldstyle pkill, where pkillers could regulate
thier own kind, or pkok, where pkillers can't. I think you'd
find the results shocking. pkillers are growing extremely
tired of this crap. As a result, no one is even willing to pkill
anymore, because they know that even if they win, the player
they killed has seventeen level 50 alts that he can legally
attack you with. Then you retaliate with your alts.. the whole
thing is just a pain in the ass.
-Chanel (waiting for the poll)
Tuesday, July 03 2001, 11:25PM
If nothing else happens, we can always whine about pkok. If you read
former board posts from imms, you'll probably notice the line
Old-style pk is not coming back, ever in a lot of them.
That line is there for a reason, I would suppose. Besides, I
know from the boards that some are dissatisfied with pkok, but those
who are, tend to think everyone dislikes pkok. I like pkok. I know
a lot of people who like pkok. You mention bugs and abuse and all.
Bugs will probably be corrected at some point, every system
has bugs. Abuse? There was quite a bit of abuse in the old days
too. Immature players who try to bend the rules will always
exist, and they will always attempt to abuse a system.
You claim pkillers can regulate their own kind if oldstyle pkill
is put back in. Why can't that be done now? Earlier, a person
was permaed sometimes, to be 'regulated'. Nowadays, you just
type 'reject (name)'. That kinda regulates it too, don't you
think? You also claim that noone pkills since they know that
their victims will log on alts to kill them. Have you read
the help-file? The 2 commands, 'reject' and 'accept' do
exist, and you could try using them. If you accept someone,
kills him or her, and then accepts all his or hers 17 lvl 50 alts,
you do kinda ask for a kill, don't you think?
I do like your claim that 'people in general...abuse...imms don't
care' thing. In general sorta indicates that a lot of people think
so. I admit, I don't know all that many people here, but
statistically, at least one of them should say that, assuming you
are correct. But none does.
Of course, I know such statements sounds way better if you sound like
you speak on behalf of most of the mud.
Btw, I'll say it will take about one day before you post your
usual reply to me when I disagree with you. Try being a little
creative this time.
Wednesday, July 04 2001, 01:27AM
I think if we had that poll, old style would lose :P too many damned
avenger types here now, and too many of the pkillers have left...
As for the imms saying old pk will never come back, I remeber when it
was set to go in, and pkillers were whining about it, Kaige said try it
and if it doesnt work we can always remove it, what I've heard since is
under her breath she said, if it gets removed pk will go totally...
And i say yank pk! when your horse has 3 broken legs and won't recover
you shoot it and send the corpse to the glue factory! I'd rather be bitter
than have to deal with people like gondar anymore, who start cursing like
a person with teretz(or whoever you spell that) everytime they see pkill
Anyways lost my train of thought, so in conclusion uhhh, Aku soku zan!
and, squirrely squirrely squirrely squirrely squirrely, look at the lumpy
Wednesday, July 04 2001, 02:45AM
As Fraegis said, there's this little 'reject' option you have....
So, really, if someone gets back at you for killing their alt by
killing you with their alt, you can, in the least, prevent it from
happeneing again. Though I must say that I don't understand
why someone would log on an alt just to beat you up. A pkill fight
is character against character, not player against player...
You're all a bunch of young louts who could use a good talking to.
-Ibrahim, a slightly grumpy old fart.
Wednesday, July 04 2001, 08:40AM
you like pkok, Fraegis?
type this, it's very simple.
Wednesday, July 04 2001, 10:54AM
As usual very creative chanel, does it come to mind that
you recent posts have had about no effect whatsoever
perhaps people are tired of listening to you rant?
Soze and his player who likes pkok and uses it to avoid people like
Wednesday, July 04 2001, 01:02PM
Why'd he wanna accept you because of ooc differences?
Wednesday, July 04 2001, 01:27PM
Very imaginative, Chanel, I'll grant you that. Can't say
I am amazed, though. Ever considered how much better your
posts could be received if you actually used arguments which were
Thursday, July 05 2001, 10:52AM
Fraegis, just my ooc opinion and all, but you seem to whine more pkill
than others whine about pkok. Look, just quit responding, it
obviously bothers you to read these 'flamers' posts. So stop
reading them. Its just like your solution to pk, if someone bothers
you, completely ignore the problem by rejecting it... I imagine
that works wonders in a variety of issues you deal with on a daily
basis... I used to call it denial... now i call it rejection...
Anyway... I could give a rats ass what anyone does to pkill here.
I just let the imms deal with it and then i deal with the changes.
I wish every would just shutup about it.
Thursday, July 05 2001, 11:28AM
It might be whining, Dusk, I guess it depends on who reads it.
But it gets tiresome to read that a few people keep claiming that
most of the mud don't like pkok. I like pkok. Legend contains some
jerks, and they ruined pkill for most. You like the old style
pkill? Great, good for you. Accept all, and hope the rest does the
same. You get multied? Too bad, would have happened under the old
system as well. Reject them or keep them accepted, your choice.
Which is what pkok is about. Having a choice. It's quite simple.
I don't think I would call it denial, or rejection...I call it a
game. When I play a game, I do it to relax and have fun, which
I do have here on Legend. Jerks gets ignored, that way I
avoid getting annoyed and can keep enjoying my time here.
It is actually quite simple.
You don't like my posts? Skip them. When you see a post, it has
a list with appends, and names on the ones who made the appends.
Quite simple, really.
Thursday, July 05 2001, 03:11PM
Are you making the assumption that the imm's are idiots Fraegis?
People making these 'outlandish' claims about the pkill system are
only stating how they feel. Its an opinion. Don't get so intimidated
by someone elses opinion. Because thats all they are. I really doubt
the imms are so easily swayed by a post. You play this game for fun,
and so does everyone else.... so what maximized the fun for you may
minimize the fun for others... People just want a happy medium. So get
off your god damn high horse.
Friday, July 06 2001, 08:39AM
the way i see it, the problem here is simple -- nobody gives
as much damn as they used to.
it no longer bothers me that there are eq and quests around that
i have no clue about, areas that i haven't visited, etc.
it doesn't bother me to be called names by ppl i simply ignore
or those that i consider to be far from equal in intellect...
and i have this feeling that such feelings are not mine exclusively.
i only see token gestures from both imms and players regarding many
issues, and there have been too many imms that simply went inactive
for reasons i can't bother to fathom, but with a result that's fairly
clear -- less active folk around in game.
so instead of giving it enough damn to 'constructively criticize' or
at least try to do so, i simply log for a few minutes, do what i like
until it's no longer fun, log out, forget about it for a week or two
then dabble at it again.
unless there is a major charwipe, i will simply rotate my half dozen once
enabled or still enabled chars, bask in the past that half the ppl here
weren't around for, and log out in silence. :p anyway, i've simply
changed my expectations of this mud, and trust me, doing so will save you
a lot of grief.
Friday, July 06 2001, 12:39PM
Yeah, my expectations at Legend have greatly diminished as well. Every
day that I log in has the feeling of same old-same old, and nothing I
see happening day to day gives the impression of mattering at all. We
don't have a serious pk element anymore, and we certainly don't have a
serious RP element. So what's left is mostly a big snorefest.