Posted by Sigrid on 07/12
Games are funny. I think most people like them.
And I don't mean to complain but.. do they all
have to be around the same time a weekdays?
It doesn't seem very friendly to non-american people.
I know the nice imms have to have time to run them
But could it be considered to actually plan some
games that - say - european people (or whatever)
could join without missing work the next day?
Different times? Or maybe weekends?
Or if not, just hand us some tokens out at random!
Just because we're not american. Yes!
Sigrid Icelander and the person behind the screen.
Thursday, February 21 2002, 03:29PM
For what it's worth, this is one thing that we had in mind when
we designed the hard-coded version of the Elf Game to "run itself"
over the game period. Yep, I'm not American either.
Thursday, February 21 2002, 04:51PM
In a way...we're all American...
Thursday, February 21 2002, 05:42PM
Can only speak for myself, but I always try to make a point of
running games (or scheduling them) at more odd times to allow
more people from different parts of the world a chance to
participate... It was part of the intent in how I automated the
elf game (so Kae wouldn't have to be up for 24 hours running it
manually!). And I made an extra point on the mud's birthday when I
ran the elf game more manually than usual to stay up extra late
just so I could get different crowds of people involved.
Sometimes, though, it just doesn't happen... Kinda hard to
convince yourself it's worth going to bed at 6pm your time and
set your alarm at 3am to run a late-night game. Especially if you
get up that early/late to find only 10 people on or something.
Thursday, February 21 2002, 05:55PM
I do have a games series running at 9 pm on Wednesdays -- it's a
regular thing, it's a time which is convenient to me. I can't regularly
set aside weekend days as easily. So perhaps you were referring to
Some activities are going to be at times which are very convenient to
you, and others will be at times which are not. There's no way to
The reason I personally try to take a 'series' approach is that it
makes the event reliable -- better participation when people
can predict that "something" will happen at a given time, and if
they want to hit more games, they can rearrange accordingly.
Thursday, February 21 2002, 06:17PM
So I got some expected answers. I thank for bothering to
answer even though you too problably knew it was nothing
but was to be expected.
The reason for posting this was not because I expected
anything could be done.
I think - yes sometimes i do think - that you're all doing
a great job of whatever it is you're doing and making this
place worth spending time on.
But nothing is without flaws and as a user I see it as my
duty to point them out, so the place can be even better.
Anyway, to a point of some sort. I never meant to offend
anybody, you all do a great job.
Sigrid Icelander and the person behind the screen.
Friday, February 22 2002, 03:41AM
I didn't see anything offensive. Within the parameters of what's
possible to the people doing the work, internationality is definitely
something we need to keep in mind. :)
Tuesday, February 26 2002, 12:32PM
I don't think it's offensive to point it out, and to keep it in
our minds as we go along -- I appreciate that. But I do want to add
that this is one of those things which comes up again and again, and
there's no good solution to it, and so it doesn't always help to
bring it up as a general topic -- or at least, it's not as helpful
to bring it up generally as it might be to bring it up specifically,
or with the "known responses" in mind. (I.e. we're always going to say
that we try, we're always going to say that it's not easy to solve).
Any ideas you might have about new and different types of games which
can be run without imm involvement, or with imm-count-up-after-the-fact,
are always welcome (well, any type of idea is welcome, but this kind is
more helpful with this problem). Or, mentions like "this -particular- game
seems to end up on day/time X, which never works for timezone Y, maybe
it could be run at day/time Z every so often as well?" etc. are always
helpful. The more we know about the constituencies we're not reaching,
Monday, March 04 2002, 03:14PM
I was, historically, around quite late US time to run games for
quite a while, but it simply got to be 'not worth the effort.'
FOr every person that appreciates that I run a flag hunt, 5 people
complain at me that they never find a flag, or where I put them
wasn't fair. Every time I run a trivia game, 3 or 4 people are
upset because their answer may have been right, even if it wasn't
the one I was looking for. (I wish I had the time to thoroughly
research every question and identify all the correct answers, I
don't, and I don't anticipate having the time.) I rain tokens,
someone DT's looking for them and I hear about it for a week.
Just in case you're curious why Zandy doesn't run games anymore. I'm
sorry that this punishes those of you who have never caused any
problems around games, but I have enough stress associated with
being head admin.
Tuesday, March 05 2002, 12:31PM
I live in the Aussie time zone, and at one point a few years back,
after Leila and other imms in my timezone semi-retired, and my drive
to stay up at ungodly hours waned, I did find a certain lack of
games which I could take part in. Prior to the elf game, certain
mort-run games with prizes sponsored by imms used to be the best for
me, until the practice was abused (friends run trivia games and tell
each other answers an split prizes or something like that) and then
stopped. There has been an increase in the last year or so in flag
hunts, token rains, and of course, the elf games (although the Jan
trivia was a bit too early in the morning for me), and the effort
is much appreciated. It may still be bad for the European time-zone
but for my time-zone I have no complaints. I can't imagine the US
time-zone having a flag hunt or token rain every three days or so
Tuesday, March 05 2002, 02:14PM
I live one hour ahead of the machines time, and I rarely see games, so
either I play at non-game times, or they just aren't played as much
as you people across the sea seem to think they are :)
Wednesday, March 13 2002, 02:20AM
I live in the New Zealand/Australia kind of time zones also and
in general I would say that the amount of games played are not
too few and far between at all, and that the issue of finding
an immortal to do enabling, stringing, descs etc is the larger
Games only profit your character with strings which you can get
just as easily by writing for the Legendary Times or by buying
them, whereas getting that extraspecial desc set just cant be
done so easily.
Basically we need more immortals from non-US locations so that
we can always find the support we need.
God bless Bart for going back active.
Wednesday, March 13 2002, 04:16PM
-bless Bart- Ok.