Posted by Shemp on 08/22
whats with imm's alts winning tokens for suggesting things using
the idea/bug/typo command? shouldnt you as an imm exclude yourself
from such things? or at least use your imm to report it?
Sunday, August 18 2002, 11:02PM
I feel another "imms should not be allowed to play the game"
discussion coming up.
personally, seeing as we all are bound by the immortal code of
conduct, I can't see what your problem is, we have even less
priviliges as a mort than others, next thing we're not allowed
to buy the string you wanted on auction because we with our morts
had more money than you, or were willing to pay more, or win a duel
or the likes.
Monday, August 19 2002, 03:44AM
I can understand something of what he means. A type is a typo and
anyone can do that fine, and I'm not sure about idea--do imms put
their proposals on the idea channel? Well, that would be very unfair,
but also rather odd. I think that the problem comes with bug reports. Imms
have an advantage in finding bugs, because they know what is supposed
to happen. I don't know if something is a bug unless it spits out a line
of junk at me. If not, I figure I just haven't done the quest right,
But this is such a small thing. I mean, so you have a slightly larger
small chance for a token. Who cares?
Monday, August 19 2002, 06:16AM
I disagree, I submit less bugreports with my morts than
before, and my bugreports as a player only happen when I find bugs
with that particular char, IC, I doubt any of the imms hurry to
log in a mort to bugreport if they find a bug with their imm, first off
it would be silly, a waste of time, and against the imm code of conduct
"your mortals cannot gain anything from your immortal status" or the likes
I cannot remember the exact wording, but I have personally not won
anything in the buglotto since I immed, because I usually bugrepport
with this char, and of course the usual chance and luck.
Monday, August 19 2002, 09:39AM
I've rewritten this append a number of times so I'm just
going to go with this one.
1. We don't comb through the area files looking for things
for our morts to report via bug/typo. We find them the
same way you do.
2. We find them playing the game (our immortal characters
don't play so we don't tend to find typos and general
area bugs with them). Sometimes we don't report them
but just go and fix them.
3. We don't always have our immortal logged on while we
play - because, well, we're playing. It would be more
work all around to log things as our immortal character,
from us having to write it on a note, log in the imm,
report the problem, and possibly have it logged in the
wrong area since we're not necessarily going to be in the
same room as when we found it.
4. Just because we have immortal characters means we're
supposed to exempt our morts from winning prizes? I already
lose out on a number of games I'd love to play (because I
run them or helped with them - elf game is the only one I've
done work on that I'll play with my morts). I don't need
players crying that I have an unfair advantage in games so
I pick and choose those I play very carefully to avoid that.
5. Ok, sure, we have a bit more idea of when something -may-
be a bug... So what? As has been repeated ad nauseum in
the Q&As and many other forums - if you THINK it is a bug,
Monday, August 19 2002, 10:36AM
Uhh what indeed. I have a few quick questions.
First off, please let me know how I am supposed to tell that a
character is the alt of an immortal. Sure, some of them are fairly
well known, but certainly not the majority.
Secondly, do you truly think that discouraging immortals from also
having mortal characters and playing the game like everyone else
is a good idea? How would the staff maintain a real touch with what
goes on in the community, from people over imbalances to pkill,
if they are not part of the community?
And third, do I really need to start logging which character wins
the Lotto and posting a semi-monthly list so that everyone can spam
them and whine at them to sell their tokens?
Monday, August 19 2002, 09:11PM
SQUIRTLE!!! I choose you!!!
Tuesday, August 20 2002, 05:21AM
Umm Kae just on your 2nd point
You have 30-40 other players that can tell you how the game is going
You dont need to constatly play morts to hear whats going on
or the feelings of the community. There are many Boards to post on
and Q&A's to help you with this.
Tuesday, August 20 2002, 06:29AM
did I say "imms shouldn't be allowed to play the game" argument already?
I think I did...
I did it again!
stop doing it!
Tuesday, August 20 2002, 07:07AM
Zemus, I think imms should have morts. I'm sure Kae meant more than
knowing the feeling off the community..like trying it on your own
body how a skill works, is bugged and so forth. Indeed, if it was
a rule that an imm couldn't have mort alts, I doubt anyone would
volunteer to spend time being the ones everyone yell at when they
can't get the thing they pointed at in the supermarket.
Tuesday, August 20 2002, 11:44AM
I didn't mean Imms shouldn't have morts, they should. All I was
saying that, if it was me, and I was head admin of the game, I
would exclude myself from winning drawings for reporting bugs/typos/
new ideas for my OWN game.........
Tuesday, August 20 2002, 05:56PM
Well, so far I havent seen Zandy or Kaige wil a token so we might
But more to the point, since the lotto is a random drawing and passes
through IMP approval, it would come down to how many times your name
comes up in the draw. I report things a lot, does that mean I shouldnt be
allowed to ever win? Because saying that because a character is owned by
someone who also owns an Immortal character, they shouldnt be allowed to
be in the draw isnt entirely fair. Are we accusing or suspecting them
of cheating? Because to be REALLY honest, there are far better ways
to cheat or get a token or string or coupons (as a staff) than this...
It's probably why the Dept Heads keep such a close eye on staff, as
well as why we are few and far between in choosing the right ones to Imm.
It's just imho but I'd sooner think a staff was finding better ways to
help their character than a public admission of winning a token ;) And
if you have ever talked OOC with some of our Staff, you wouldnt
think it was overly likely that they would go through the trouble of
cheating us to benefit themselves. If they did, why do all the work they do,
they sure don't get paid for putting up with us :P
-MG, et al
Tuesday, August 20 2002, 11:35PM
If imm alts were always winning the lotto I could see an argument, but
they don't. It's random, and why shouldn't they be able to win stuff
for being diligent? They're here to have fun too, not to have every
fun aspect of playing the game stripped from them.
Wednesday, August 21 2002, 10:10AM
Mortal alts have a right to have strung items too!
uh immortal alts?
What's the big difference?
Thursday, August 22 2002, 11:30PM
You'd better believe it's random... I bug report all the silly time..
I idea stuff all the time too (and sometimes they even listen to me!)
AND I've never won anything in the lottery
But, I don't begrudge the imm alts their winnings... they're players
just like me :-p.
The Silly Jenna