how about a way for toons that were archived for the past
year to join PKE without having to make a new char?
the added chars would be a good thing for PKE, and other than
a small amount of overhead (remember, its only one char per
player) for the admins.
if you think about it, its the same amount of immort work if
i make a new char and level to 35 and ask to be pke-enabled
or if you enable a level 50 who has been archived for the
past year, right?
Wednesday, October 22 2003, 02:04PM
I totally agree. Doesn't make sense to me that we have the limit at all
really, but it seems really unfair to all the old players who are
/were coming back for pke, that they have to make some loser alt just
because they weren't here in the 2 week period after pke went in (or however long..)
Thursday, October 23 2003, 07:43AM
This is from a different angle but untimately is the same discussion
that went on on post #40 and it's appends.
Thursday, October 23 2003, 07:54AM
not sure what your idea of "discussion" is choc, but post #40 was
not a discussion IMO, more like someone asking for something and
the imm staff saying "NO"
of course i don't agree with the opinion behind the "NO" but
that's not really important.
what the staff needs to decide is if they want to grow this
game or not, and if not, you should just rename it to LegendMOO
already so people know what they are getting when they connect.
Thursday, October 23 2003, 08:07AM
Okay, this argument is about wanting an exception made concerning the
recent change which added a more dedicated PK element back to Legend, and
you're accusing people of turning Legend into a horrible social mud.
Well, I'd love to chat more about this, but I've been meaning to log back
into Ground Zero MUSH and Act of War MUCK for a while, so I'll have to
Thursday, October 23 2003, 09:12AM
they added a, to user your words, "dedicated PK element", and then
procede to handicap it by preventing anybody who was archived from
joining in. it just doesn't make any sense.
i am not asking for an exception, i am asking for the abolishion
of a retarded policy.
as far as i am concerned they can make PKE be 100% permanant, and
do away with redeem points getting you out of pke. hell, here's a
simply solution, anyone who is >35 and wants to join pke because
they were archived gets a psuedo-warning on the char, saying that
they can never redeem out of it.
i would be willing to bet this will fall on deaf ears, as most things
that go against the grain of a few egotistical immorts here. and don't
give me the BS about additional immort work blah blah, remember that's
what the admin staff signed up for, it is probably only a fraction of
the time spent re-string gear in the long run ..........
Thursday, October 23 2003, 10:45AM
There was a two month grace period for people to enable 50th
level characters. Although it sucks if you missed it, you
can always remake the character if you're that attached to the
name. Leveling up to 50 again isn't horribly difficult for
older pkillers, especially given their support networks in the pk
Thursday, October 23 2003, 11:16AM
Ok not sure why the thread on post #40
wasn't a real discussion. I mean yes 3 imms gave their opinion on the subject
but it's not our fault that nooneelse participated. Might be
that it was clear that this is one of the rules of teh game
that we don't feel is going to change. I am sorry if you
feel you have been cheated out of being able to participate
in a feature of the game. You do have the option of remaking you char or
making a new one. I'm also sorry that you don't agree with teh rule or the reasoning behind it.
reasoning behind it.
For once I wasn't teh least bit hostile in my response and I get accused of ruining teh game.
Does anyone wonder why the imm staff might get a bit
defensive from time to time?
When you are ready to conduct a rational discussion on this without
name calling and accusations lets talk about it. But
as long as your arguments are littered with eitehr insult
or accusations it's hard to call ANY of this a discussion. Unless
your definition of a discussion is you make a complaint and everyone falls all over
s all over themselves agreeing with you.
Thursday, October 23 2003, 12:05PM
I never mentioned you by name Choc, if you think that blurb
describes you, well then maybe you are right.
I have yet to hear a good reason WHY people who have been archived
for well over a year cannot use PKE? Yeah I hear you, 2 month
grace period yada yada yada, so what, some people weren't active.
It's just another case of close-mindedness on the Imm staff who
"just don't want to" do something that players would like:
-it is obviously technically possible
-the PKE community would welcome more pkers
-the person asking to be enabled would welcome the second chance
The only downside is a minimal amount of Imm staff work, maybe too
much for you Choc, I know you are busy coding and creating new areas
all the time.
Thursday, October 23 2003, 12:44PM
Well, if I started playing here last month, then I wasn't active when PKE
went in, so that means I should be able to enable my level 50 newbie,
right? Just saying.
Thursday, October 23 2003, 01:44PM
We gave 9 weeks for anyone to enable. Sorry that you missed it.
It was posted, it was in the LT every week of that time and
I believe 2 weeks prior, which means it was also on the web
pages. Which means that pretty much everyone that played
knew about it. That leaves 4 options for you to have found
out about it. I don't think that we should make an exception,
nor change a rule that has been a part of pke since I can
remember just because you're upset about not being here
at that time and don't feel like making another character
to enable. Others have missed it and simply made another
character to pk with. It's not that difficult.
Thursday, October 23 2003, 01:51PM
PKE has always meant a commitment by the players participating in it. The
level of commitment varies from player to player. Because of this, the
max level 35 requirement has always been in place to make sure that each
PKE character is involved with the PK community over a range of levels
during their PK career.
The current level ranges of all PKE characters are currently:
lvls 10 - 19: 4 chars
lvls 20 - 29: 4 chars
lvls 30 - 39: 15 chars
lvls 40 - 50: 47 chars
When we put in this trial run, we waived the lvl 35 limit for a little
over two months to be able to not just "allow people to reenable" but to
get a wide range of characters enabled instead of making everyone choose
to remake or start a new character and work their way back up. It was
temporary because we still believe that a pke character should be
involved with the PKE community over a range of levels and not just jump
in at the deep end once level 50 is reached.
So why can't _everyone_ still re-enable, even if they're past 35?
Consider it a small thank you and recognition to those players who
remained a part of the game and the community.
Thursday, October 23 2003, 02:19PM
maybe you should brush up on your reading skills Dolor, what part
of archived did you not grasp?
Thursday, October 23 2003, 06:16PM
"Yeah I hear you, 2 month grace period yada yada yada, so what,
some people weren't active." (Thundarr, append 8).
My reading skills are just fine, thankee.
Thursday, October 23 2003, 07:02PM
I definitely encourage anyone who is taking a break from Legend
for whatever reason to keep their LT subscription -- that way they'll
be sure to catch announcements like this in the future.
Friday, October 24 2003, 08:06AM
not me, or no one me know (cause no one really want talk me anymores)
but i know SOME peps never subscribe to LT. and so what if it was on
web site, i know i NEVER look at the webpage, and when i do its for
the mud pics, see if there any more new ones. Also some peps could
be like me an everyone dems know on here no talk to dem an stuffs
so they finally get told after the waver is gone or something
I mean my whole aim list is full of (bar 1) peps i met from mud
and it was big long time ago since me spoke to any of them
(that includes me attempting to talk to them). My point is
imms shouldnt just assume that because they've posted the information
people know that its there or where to look for it.
Course if peps dont look at them there aint nothing they can do
Friday, October 24 2003, 11:25AM
It helps if you drop the in game accent and try and
type a little more readable english on this board. Really
eases out a lot of the confusion. I know this first
hand as I am probably one of the worse we have in the game
for typing poor grammar.
But if we post information and noone reads it .. I am raelly
not sure how we can be held responsible for that. Especially
when it's posted in so many different ways. Not participating
in legend for awhile does appear to have some consequences.
Friday, October 24 2003, 12:52PM
Friday, October 24 2003, 03:03PM
I think one reason for not giving archived people this second chance
might be that people could try to claim they were inactive or whatever
and try to get a different char into pke, 'cause I guess there really
would be no way to prove whether you missed the boat or are just being
a dork right? With one problem, legend doesn't exactly have the player
base that say, everquest has. It's small enough that most people know
whats going on with other people most of the time. I think we can tell
the difference between say, splat coming back and wanting in, and me
trying to get my cause mage back in pke.
Sunday, October 26 2003, 07:35PM
you are only allowed 1 pke char per player -- the only way that
this can be enforced is by the immms taking the time to get to
know the community (and watching our IPs, but that can easily be
spoofed). so they are already willing and able to take on this
burdon. from there its just a matter of wanting to and doing it,
"it" being making exceptions for archived players who have several
level 50 chars and want to jump into something like pke.
compared with other online games that are out (planetside for example)
the xp system aka level grind here is really tedious, albiet shorter
than say everquest or daoc. but, its still just typing in kick
stand kick stand kick stand rest, wait 2 mins, rinse and repeat.
my 2 cents, hollar back if any imm wants to do me a favor and pke