Posted by Crysinda on 04/06
I brought this up the other night at Q&A, but there weren't many
people there, so I thought I'd make a post on it. Personally
Seems like topple is extreemly overpowered, maybe just so against
certain char types. Seems kinda silly to me to have a skill that
does as much damage as kick, and sets you to sitting for two rounds
and isn't tumbleable.
Does anyone else see the overpoweredness of this, or is it just me?
The risks for the benifits just don't seem quite in-spec to me, but
then I tend to complain about alot of stuff. Voice your opinion and
tell me I'm wrong, but lets hear some other opinions on this.
My quit little rant - Crysinda
Monday, October 06 2003, 08:27PM
1) Kick has a fairly modest stat requirement, and anybody with said
stat requirement can acquire the skill. Topple has a very high stat
requirement, in a couple of stats, and can only be acquired in lieu of
certain other skills.
2) Topple has a small but significant chance to critical fail, leaving
the toppler helpless. Kick doesn't.
3) Topple--at least, it seems to me--fails rather more often than kick,
all other things held equal. I could be wrong there though.
From: more powerful than the "classic" fight skills, for much the
same reason that third-circle magic is more potent than second-circle
spells. It's the reward for specializing.
Dolor. You can have my topple when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.
Tuesday, October 07 2003, 04:58AM
wrestle does simmilar stuffs, but no one seem know
cause dems all silly and not notice the
line after not just the crit ones, course i've only noticed
that a few times myself... most of them being between the
wrestle and the next combat round
From: . Topple seems
more powerful than this, and i've even got armwrestle!
hell i use wrestle quite lots and think i've only seen crit
like 3 times. Seen much more crits with topple. Course wrestle
might do damage
From: But then I was under the impression that
wrestle = topple only based on diff stat, course I might be wrong
some immy wanna set me straight?
anyway UP WRESTLE cause the 'base' skills seem (at first and even
at deeper glance) better than it, and as dolor said these new
skills require you to specialise as well as require more stats
than the base ones. So why it so compartively crap?
Tuesday, October 07 2003, 09:22AM
Would it be so much to ask to let us at least have a chance to
When your pking, stats are often times significantly different from
oppoenents and thus there is virtually no drawback to a skill like
that if you got 60+ more of said stat then opponent. It can still
do a ton of damage, but least give us a chance to dodge, or tumble it
Tuesday, October 07 2003, 10:52AM
Everything should not be toppleable. Just the way it is. While I
agree that topple is a pretty cool skill, it is far from invincible.
I have fighters, mages, snipers, and I don't
From: topple with any
of my alts nor do I think topple is overpowered. It fails constantly
and don't forget its 1.5 rounds, not 2. So you CAN and usually DO
stand up after 1 round, not 2. Also regular topple damage is not as
much as a kick, though a crit topple can do a bit more. So in closing,
topple is a great skill, but hardly overpowered. And while I love my
tumbling characters, it gets old after awhile when you tumble 17 specials
in a row because the giant fighter has no other alternative.
Tuesday, October 07 2003, 11:24AM
Agree with Sammael
Wednesday, October 08 2003, 03:42AM
While I also agree with Sammael, I think damage on crit topple
should be reduced a bit so it stays in range with other skills.
Thursday, October 09 2003, 06:04AM
I think everyone's missing the point, topple is NOT over powered
everything else is under powered
From: nod self
Sunday, October 12 2003, 04:35PM
I think topple is overpowerd a bit, myself. The 1.5 thing on sitting
should be made a flat one, since the skill lag is only 2. Maybe this
char is differant than most others using this skill, but it really
dosn't fail all that often for me, either. I look at it like bash with
almost no chance to self sit and can't be tumbled. It has made this
char a LOT tougher.
Tuesday, April 06 2004, 11:46AM
Well i think topple should be kept the way it is, because people who tumble
have the upper hand in practically every pk and non-pk fight.
not only do they make practicaly every other fight skill useless,
they make the people using the skills look like complete eejits in the process.