 Spellbook, why so confusing


Posted by Demandred on 06/25
Why not alphabetize the spellbook for mages?
It cerainly would make things easier to recall
a spell we use only once in a while.
DEm
From: Claudia
Monday, June 23, 02:11AM
And number them aswell, cause once it gets spammy, you tend to lose
count of how many spells you've casted and how many are left to be
casted. Or just add a total count at the bottom even shrug
 Claudia
From: Asilidae
Monday, June 23, 05:00AM
Yeah! I got like 100 spells and its VERY difficult to match your
spellbook with the allspells! Besides I still have something like 10
spells more in my spellbook then in my allspells. This is not very
helpfull to newbie mages...of course they could just test all combos
but that would take a considerable time (800+ combos I swiftly calculated
it to)
I vote for an alfabetic ordered spellbook/allspells/skills
Asilidae
From: Charity
Monday, June 23, 11:12AM
I'm curious about the 800+ combos thing. Math isn't my strong point, but
I can't believe there are this many. Did you take into account the
following rules?
 The first word must be first circle
 first circle words cannot be the second or third word in a combo
 third circle words cannot preceed a second circle word
in other words, the only valid combinations are 1, 12, 122, or 123.
One of the new spells tosses a word after the ex I think, but that's
the only exception to the rule.
From: Croaker
Monday, June 23, 11:46AM
My quick calculation usings the combinations
1 12 122 123 133 comes up with 1260 possible
combinations. Some math whiz check my math :P
Croaker
From: Croaker
Monday, June 23, 11:48AM
Of course, since you are limited to one school
of magic and 4 first circle words,
this is 840 per spellcaster
Second circle mages are limited to only
200 combos (lucky them).
Croaker
From: Kraken
Monday, June 23, 12:29PM
For 4 verbs and 17 second and third circle words, I get
(1) 4
(1 2), (1 3) 417 = 68
(1 2 2), (1 2 3), (1 3 3) 4(17+16+...+1) = 612
for a total of 684 possible combos.
Kraken
From: Kraken
Monday, June 23, 12:35PM
Interpreting the two 's as times, of course.
From: Charity
Monday, June 23, 01:22PM
Ok ok i stand corrected. =) I guess the number of combos that make any
kind of sense is a smaller number, but that can't really be quantified.
From: Mice
Monday, June 23, 01:34PM
umm, in case people didn't notice, not all spells can be found in your
allspells list. if you don't already know the spell combos, casting
them in will likely come up with at least a spell or two not on
allspells. thus, rendering the total number of spells in your spellbook
a bit inaccurate and useless when comparing it to the total in your
allspells list.
mice
From: Aginor
Monday, June 23, 03:18PM
ok, ill try to clear up how many spell combos there are
possible combos are (1), (1 2), (1 2 2), (1 2 3), (1 3), and (1 3 3)
there are 4 1st circle words, 7 2nd circle, and 10 3rd circle (with dyn as
3rd circle)
(1) 4
(1 2) 4x7=28
(1 2 2) 4x7x6=168, you cant use the same word twice, with one exception
(1 2 3) 4x7x10=280
(1 3) 4x10=40
(1 3 3) 4x10x9=360
added together, you get 880. And my math may even be right.
Aginor
From: Croaker
Monday, June 23, 08:35PM
OK, I went ahead and figured this out for real, since
you're ALL wrong :P
In fact, there are 6 first circle words (even if you can't cast
them all, I can :P). And you can duplicate the second or third
circle word in the second and third positions for some spells
i.e., 1 2(a) 2(a) or 1 2(b) 2(b) instead of 1 2(a) 2(b).
A third point is that if your pattern is 1 2 2 or 1 3 3 (but not 1 2 3)
the second and third words are interchangeable. So
1 2(a) 2(b) is the same spell as 1 2(b) 2(a).
This means that there are less valid spell combinations
then total combinations of the words.
So the math:
Pattern 6 1st 4 1st Recursive
1 6 4 4
1 2 42 28
1 3 60 40
1 2 2 294 196 168 and 112
1 2 3 420 280
1 3 3 600 400 330 and 220
So there are 1296 total spell word combinations (for a total of
1026 total spells possible for an immort), and 948 total spell
word combinations for a mortal (for a total of 684 total spells
possible).
Hope this clears things up :)
point Croaker
From: Croaker
Monday, June 23, 09:43PM
OK, so I guess Kraken had it right...
Good job Kraken !
I hope this helped, Demandred :P
Croaker
From: Demandred
Tuesday, June 24, 04:04PM
That was a very fun exercise, however, the original thread
was discussing the possibility of alphabetizing the spellbook, which
I firmly believe we need (especially since the combinations are so
many). thanks all for all the input :)
Dem