Posted by Sandra on 05/04
Due to the NUMEROUS complaints about the difficulty in reading
the massive, spammy posts that have popped up here lately, and the
fact that previous posts to request said spam be cut down, I'm going
to say this straight out.
Keep your posts short, there is NO NEED for you to cut and paste
every part of a previous append, its already there! Say what
you have to say, and then end your post. Simple enough.
-Sandra, the rather annoyed, and tired Head Admin
Tuesday, April 27, 03:10AM
Tuesday, April 27, 11:23AM
Ok, wannabe Jean :P
Tuesday, April 27, 06:55PM
Hardly. Point 1- if people dont want to read my posts,
they have no need to. I think thats the -real- problem,
as Im now making sure my posts arent much longer
then 3 word processor pages. But I know where this
can lead to- you could say that others would start to
copy me (i doubt it, but lets imagine)- so how about 2
word processed pages? Thatd mean a lot more appends
on my part, but im sure seeing 66 appends instead of
44 or so wouldnt make that much of a difference. But
why not just not quote, you say? I made the point with
Wuss a while back- do an exercise- take out all the
quoted material out of one of my posts, then give it to
someone else, along with the previous post and tell me
if they can understand it. The odds are slim to none, as
I rely on the quoted material to provide context. Sure, I
could paraphrase, but why paraphrase, possibly getting
the meaning mixed up, when I could just quote? Thats
the way I see it anyways. Lastly, I usually dont quote
-everything-, but even if i do, the way I cut it up is just
<-Sandra, the rather annoyed, and tired Head Admin>
I didnt mean to irritate you- sorry about missing your
post 33 before- Ive been keeping rather busy with lots
of post at present.
Tuesday, April 27, 07:26PM
Which part of her sentence do you not understand? She is the head admin,
and she has pretty much ordered you to stop quoting messages, period.
If you don't like it, it's time to leave.
Tuesday, April 27, 07:30PM
ARGH! I MEANT TO SIGN AGNI.
Tuesday, April 27, 08:14PM
in append 4, Agni writes:
I certainly didnt see it that way. But lets say that she
makes it quite explicit, i still wont just stop- i think
that thats past the area of being courteous to others
and started to look an awful lot like discrimination for
something that can be easily avoided- just dont read
my posts; if you can xp ad infinitum, you can surely
just read the starting post and skip mine (though i
certainly agree that having the gag feature for certain
people incorporate into next would be a great idea,
especially for people like you who find it so stressful to
glance over some quoted material)
Why would I ever do that? Theres nothing more that I
like then stating my point of view- if im wrong, i want
to be shown to be wrong. And if Im right, well, i cant
say I dont mind appreciation. And I -am- appreciated
here, albeit not by everyone :-p. Most of my friends
seem to be somewhat fearful of posting something and
rocking the boat; possibly even fearful of being
mentioned, so i wont. But, as Ronnies post in the Jean
thread has shown, not -everyone- is against me, even
on this board. And that means a lot to me. Sure, Sandra
could delete this char, or ban me alright, but then she
has to deal with the consequences of that action. Ive
heard shes done similar things before, so there you go.
Personally, I dont think shed win prestige for it, but
ive heard that she doesnt care for it anyways. All Id
ask her is to think whether itd really be the right thing
to do- and justify it to everyone if she does.
Tuesday, April 27, 09:20PM
The opinions of no one here seems to have any effect on what Jean
does or does not do. Why bother trying?
I think the gag for appends needs to be looked at a bit more seriously.
Tuesday, April 27, 09:40PM
-ponder- Maybe this is one of the reasons he was banned from those 2 other
muds he has been bragging about being banned from? Just plain out not
listening to others and then when he gets site banned he complains that
the immorts there aren't liberal enough and don't listen enough. Maybe it
was just that he refused to acknowledge what they said WHEN they said it,
or that he disagreed with what they had to say.
Personally, I have decided to stop reading the discussion board so that I
don't have to weed through his spammy posts. I only read this one because
someone pointed it out to me.
Tuesday, April 27, 11:00PM
I think I understand why you refuse to give up quoting.
It's simply because, without them, it'd be too darn obvious
that you don't listen (or read) to anything that's being
pointed out here at all.
The bottom line is this: we find your posts unnecessarily
spammy and insulting as the board is a "thread"; most of
us are smart enough to either employ screenlen or backscroll
to read the postings just above and do not need to be stressed
by unnecessary spam. Your points are amusing, I can concede
that much, but your behavior is downright rude. People are
asking you to stop quoting, and if you look around, nobody else
quotes in their missives. So why don't you heed to what you said,
be civil and polite, and stop quoting.
Tuesday, April 27, 11:04PM
I don't care to know if "Most" of your friends are 1/2
or 2/3, or even 1/1, nor the fact that you are 'appreciated'
by a few. The main fact is, we may agree with one or
two of your ideas, we might find some of them interesting,
and of course there'll be those that simply speak of your
inexperience and ignorance.
But, when we ask you to stop quoting, we are not asking you
to stop posting. You are not the only one that can crusade
for things they believe in. In a short while, I'll make sure
that your writing privileges are revoked by leading a crusade
on my own -- unless you cease to stop quoting.
Tuesday, April 27, 11:08PM
Geezus, meant to say unless you cease to quote, i think.
Tuesday, April 27, 11:09PM
mmm. dejean-vu? he :-)
Wednesday, April 28, 12:12AM
in append 7, Ton writes:
Hardly. If that were the case, Id just state my
opinions and not even -bother- to check for
appends, let alone respond to them so
That -would- seem to fix a lot of problems.
Wednesday, April 28, 12:16AM
in append 8, Jealousy writes:
<-ponder- Maybe this is one of the reasons he
was banned from those 2 other muds he has
been bragging about being banned from?>
I was bragging was I? Hardly. I was mentioning
it when the context was appropriate. The reason
I was banned was because Im a controversial
person, no question. That doesnt mean Im
mistaken, though. For details on why i was
banned from the first mud, tfc, go here:
Already jumping to conclusions I see. For your
information, I always listen to what others say,
necessarily do is -agree- with what others say.
You seem to confuse the 2. In any case, when I
dont agree with someone, besides telling them
that, I also usually state my reason; my recent
postings are certainly no exception.
i like the word protests instead of complains
better, but thats basically right.
Once again, insult without justification.
Wednesday, April 28, 12:18AM
in append 9, Wuss writes:
Sigh. You ever try removing the quotes from
one of my messages? It wouldnt make sense.
My messages are -so- dependent on what
others are saying that they cant even stand
alone. Id like to differentiate that from my
points- my points are clear. The thing is that I
custom tailor each of my messages specifically
for the person im responding to. I could just
come out with general statements and leave it
at that, but im doing my best to try to persuade
all of you that my points have merit. People
have accused me of not listening, but I think
that anyone who seriously looked into the
matter would see that time and time again Im
repeating my points since people havent
bothered to read past points of mine. I dont
even complain- I write a lot and can understand
that people just entering the frey dont want to
bother reading it all. But it really takes the cake
when people accuse -me- of not listening to
whats being said.
Once again, the reference to spam. I think this is
the last time Im going to even do the favour of
quoting that word. So, for the last time (i hope): i
dont believe im spamming. Im just a prolific
writer. If you have proof that what im doing is
spamming, id like to see it.
Id think its the other way around- yours is.
Why? Well, lets see. You accuse me of not being
qualified yet give no reason why. You make
your points, to which i listen to and respond to,
but then you dont respond back because im
too spammy. convenient excuse, must admit,
but it doesnt fly.
Im happy for them. If you dont want to read
what i write, dont. Just dont go preaching to me
about what you think i should or shouldnt do,
or spend a little of you precious time that youd
rather spend slaughtering other characters or
xping for who knows how long and bear some
horrible quotes for a few seconds a pop.
Wednesday, April 28, 12:20AM
in append 10, Wuss writes:
You word things rather harshly, but ill give
you this- ive learned a -lot- from discussing
things from people like you. And I certainly
havent learned everything. But I think that by
now, my points have gotten pretty good- so
good, in fact, that your picking on my quoting
seems more like an excuse to not have to be
bothered with my points.
And what a crusade you and others around
here lead- to get me to stop quoting. god, youve
probably spent 10 times more time talking
about quoting them youve probably spent
reading it. And then, ofcourse, theres the time
you spend xping and pking.
Wednesday, April 28, 12:32AM
It is simply amusing to think that us 'picking' on your quoting
is because your points have become good. On the contrary, it
is precisely because your points are meaningless that we 'pick'
on your quoting. There have always been lengthy posts in the past
that actually said something worthwhile, and nobody complains about
them (not seriously, anyway) since there were points in them that
were valid. On your case, not only is half the thing you speak of
simply of ignorance and nonsense and a fantasy spun by a youngin with
no experience and regards to anyoone else, but it is also spammy.
Since we do not really wish to stop people from posting cuz of their
chant vina gam dyn ex of being ridiculed, we just made a point in your cas
e for being unnecessarily spammy, and, not listening. There are
immorts on this mud for a reason, and the reason is that they
implement and enforce rules. It has been notified to you in more
than one occasion that quoting was to be stopped, but you do not heed.
Now, I think, they should seriously do their duty of enforcing their
rule, and take away any posting privileges you may have.
Wednesday, April 28, 02:19PM
Ok, let me be even -more- clear.
Due to numerous complaints regarding your posts, I am telling, not
asking, you to quit with the quoting as it causes additional,
and unnecessary spam to those of us that DO want to read these boards.
We will not code a new command just so you can waste space with
senseless spam on posts that doesn't need to be there in the first
This is the last time i'll post on the matter. I've tried to be
polite, I've tried to explain, next time I'm going to start
Wednesday, April 28, 05:24PM
in append 18, Sandra writes:
The idea that my quoting makes reading this board
unreadable is absurd. In any case, as Ive already told
you, i wont stop quoting willingly, so that leaves you
with the usual set of options that admins have.
Yet another person declaring my posts as spam without
offering any evidence that its the case.
Well, warn away; see what good it does you. Or perhaps
you didnt hear about the fact that I havent backed
down from implementors before when the
implementors didnt give good reasons for me to do so.
and no, things like banning alone is -not- a good
reason- things like persuading me that, indeed, i -am-
spamming, would be.
Wednesday, April 28, 05:30PM
in append 17, Wuss writes:
Be amused all you want, but i think there really is
something to my posts being good.
If my points were meaningless, youd have defeated
them long ago. Id quote more, but you just say the
same things over and over and over again.. no point..
About the fantasy thing- this game is a fantasy- so
maybe i havent xped as much as youd like on here. As
if thatd make me learn so much more. Then you go on
to say things that have no evidence whatsoever, that
ive already said have no evidence whatsoever. Instead
of finally presenting some evidence, you accuse -me- of
Sandra has now indeed said that she wants me to stop
or else type thing. No rebuttal of my points as to why
I quote, even though I gave her custom tailored
reasons as to why I quote. I even said that I could
divide my posts even further if the length of the post
was really such a problem (i dont want to be crashing
anyones mud client, thats for sure). Recently, pretty
much all my messages have been 2 pages word
processed or less anyways, but im hoping i can have
up to 3 pages, because i think a post should be
conserved as a single unit.
all of a sudden its a rule- perhaps Wusss rule or
something :-p. In any case, i wouldnt be surprised if
Sandra orders me to stop doing something or other-
quoting, say. If she chose that one in particular, Id
debate it with her. And if she didnt want to debate, im
sure she could do your little trick of denying me
posting priviliges. I find it curious that you havent
dealt with Ronnies post regarding his disagreement to
your strong arm tactics, though, although it does make
sense in the fact that who would want a 2 sided battle
with me comprising one side :-p.
Wednesday, April 28, 05:38PM
You've now recieved two warnings, one for spamming this board,
the second for failure to stop doing the above when asked to by
the immortal staff.
Let me make one thing extremely clear to you, do not test me
when it comes to the rules of this game. I don't -care- what
happened between you and immortals on other muds. I do care
what happens on this one. And you damn well will pay attention
to the rules on this mud, and the staff that runs it, or you
definately will not be allowed to play it.
All of this could have been avoided, btw, if you'd simply paid
attention to the first two posts by the staff regarding this.
Instead you wish to continue, stating how you're right, and
we're not, etc, etc. Stop it now.
Wednesday, April 28, 05:46PM
See, the thing is, people -have- given you good reasons why you
should knock off the quoting. You've chosen to ignore them. People
-have- rebutted your arguments. You've chosen to ignore them as well.
So don't complain about how misunderstood you are, or how you did
this on such-and-suchMUD. No one really cares. You're judged based
on how you present yourself to the people here, not on how spiffy
you think you are.
Wednesday, April 28, 08:57PM
in append 21, Sandra writes:
conjecture on your part i assure you :-p.
actually, youre the only member of the
immortal staff thats asked me as far as i can see
(please correct me if im mistaken).
god sandra, you just dont get it do you? you
think i havent run into you bossy immortal
types before? which brings me to my next
yes, ive been getting the feeling that you dont
care about a lot of things- apparently not such
an unusual thing for immortals, as Wraith
showed when he stopped even -trying- to
defend himself in the case of Wuss.
yes, i know, you want things to go the way you
want them to.
oh for the love of god, ive been prepared to be
banned from this mud for quite some time now.
the fact that you havent caught on by now is
rather hilarious :-p.
im stating my opinion- naturally, i think im
right- im me. however, that doesnt mean that i
-know- im right and have always been open to
discussion on the issue. you clearly arent
anymore it seems. anyway, balls in your court
again for what its worth.
Thursday, April 29, 01:34AM
in append 22 , Bennet writes:
theyve given me reasons that i didnt think
were good at all; i rebutted them.
wrong again. both these points show how
ignorant you are of whats been going on. Its
actually the other way around- people are now
ignoring -my- points.
my preliminary ones, yes. I rebutted those in
general though. Up until now anyways- i think
its understandable, given the fact that im now
looking at another banning in the face; basically
repeating my unanswered arguments seems
rather tedious. But Im still doing it somewhat,
< So don't complain about how misunderstood
i think its a perfectly good point to bring up.
If that were really true, id have been gone by
now. As it is, theres a spark.. little thing, but
Im judged on a variety of factors. Much of it is
ignorance it seems, as youre ignorant post
Thursday, April 29, 01:48AM
I'm not going to ban you unless I'm forced to. Unlike other muds,
this one does have a set of rules to follow for both the staff
and the playerbase, a set of violations that are followed, and
warnings/punishments based on that.
I will say one thing though, while you may not like what I've
said in my appends, or the warnings I've given, you'll still
follow said rules if you wish to play here.
Whether you think the reasons were good or not as to why
everyone, and then me, asked you to stop with these spammy,
almost unreadable posts, does not give you the ok to continue
to post them when one of the immortals(Me in this case) tells
you to stop. Your quoting makes it difficult to see what
it is you're trying to say, it adds additional nonsense to
already long posts, has crashed the mud once, and is not
necessary. I've asked you to stop. Rufus has told you
to keep it short, Sabella has done somewhat the same. Not
to mention the numerous players complaining about them.
Considering all of the people that have said the same thing
about it, I find their reason(s) to be more than adequate, and
see no reason for your continued 'rebutting' of their posts.
This board is for ideas, and discussions. Not for spamming the
hell out of anyone trying to dig through this mass of nonesense
trying to find one sentence worth reading.
Thursday, April 29, 08:02AM
Whee, Jean's calling -me- ignorant.
God, you really are offensive.
Thursday, April 29, 11:20AM
spam: unnecessary repetition of text [see also - quoting]
Thursday, April 29, 01:33PM
in append 25, Sandra writes:
What would force you is what -id- like to know-
despite all appearances, i dont want to be banned- but
i want to quote even more then my care about being
Youve told me that many times already. Ive told you
that i -wont- stop quoting for you or anyone- you have
your options and i have mine.
Not everyone thinks of them as such. Not many people
are vocal about that, but Ronnie (the Jean thread,
append 18) did actually say i shouldnt be penalized for
the way i write. Im not swearing nor would i- -that- i
think, is something that could merit banning even in
According to you and those others anyway.
According to you and those others no doubt. In any
case, if you dont like the way i write, why read my
posts at all? and why not put in this read next gag that
would make it easier for everyone who likes to use the
read next thing? i suppose youd rather ban me then do
that little change.
you mean quotes- thats all it is. quotes that provide
context to what i then say. Quotes that make what i say
clear (because without them, as ive mentioned before,
what i say wouldnt be clear.
you sound as if long posts were close to a misdemeanor.
that was when my posts were up to 5 pages word
processed- ive now brought it down to no more then a
little over 3 at most.
Nothing is necessary- we could all just xp and forget
about posting altogether.
Im doing that- If need be, ill bring my posts down to
only about -2- pages word processed, but it seems that
my current little over 3 pages limit assures that the
mud doesnt crash because of my posts- heck, im not
even the only one who does posts of that length- on
occassion, other players have done posts as long.
Maybe shes written something else.. or maybe youre
referring to something i replied to amicably a while
back.. havent checked.. if you think that im tiring you
guys out, can you imagine how it is on my side? Im
dealing with almost everyone in this ooc board at the
same time- and believe me, the prospect of being
banned is doing much to tire me nowadays.
Just because many people disagree with one doesnt
mean one is wrong. I still think im right, still want to
persuade people that thats the case- thus, my
rebuttals. your quoting of the word rebutting seems
to suggest that you dont think im really rebutting
their points- is that the case?
Thursday, April 29, 01:39PM
in append 26, Bennet writes:
yeah, when youre making your little points, you
certainly are. I mean, have you even read all my posts
in this thread -alone-? never mind the rest of them..
thats right, im the one whos being threatened to be
banned and i get a little miffed that people dont even
bother to read what im saying while they criticize me
and call one of them ignorant, so right off the bat -im-
the one whos offensive in general. Just calling things
the way I see them- if i was perfect, id use nicer
words, but im wearing thin now..
Thursday, April 29, 01:46PM
in append 27, stile writes:
chuckle :-p. this is how i see quotes in terms of me
reading them- i want to get into the most recent
debate- i dont want to see everything that theyve
worked up to. But i cant really understand this or that
post without knowing what the person before was
talking to.. so i have to read the post before.. which in
turn refers to stuff in the post before that.. and on and
on.. i want to encourage new people to read my posts,
not discourage them- so when i say check out post 48,
append 28 or whatever, they dont have to read all the
appends just to feel like they know whats being said.
Thursday, April 29, 05:35PM
Jean, you claim to want to encourge [new] people to read your posts.
I would normally assume that you also want to encourge non-newbies,
but apparently that is not the case, as you are actively -dis-couraging
us from reading what you have to say. I would think, being as you
would like to see the system changed in various ways, you would
particularly want immorts to read your posts (as they can affect said
changes). However, with as much else as immorts have to do and as
much other reading (morts typically read 3 boards, immorts typically
read 7 boards daily - not including clan boards, and the immorts whose
job duties mean they go through -all- boards (including guestbooks) immort
also have several lists to read) as they have to do, the unnecessary
repetition of what we have already read, and the need to wade through
it to find your comments makes reading your posts (regardless of their
actual content) a daunting and discouraging prospect. This is not, imo,
the best means to induce change.
Even as a new player, my personal style of reading is to start at the
beginning and read everything. As a newbie immort, I started at the
top and read all the posts still available on the boards I had not seen
before. As a new player, -I- would still find your posts discouraging as
-I- would have already read what you are quoting. Boards are very
different from newsgroups and mailing lists where quoting is necessary,
although even there they discourage -excessive- posting. What you are
doing is excessive, which is why it falls into the 'spam' category.
-Please- rethink your position. I would like to talk to you, but cannot
do so in this fashion.
Friday, April 30, 12:52AM
(part 1 of 2)
in append 31, Sabella writes:
Hardly. Ive responded to quotes nested 3 deep and
more.. something like this:
me- what do you think of quoting?
someone else- bad, and you?
me- well, i think its ok..
someone else- why do you think that?
well, it allows one to rapidly respond to someone
without having to figure out their exact meaning. its
effectiveness is most clearly illustrated in long posts
where the tedium of paraphrasing would really show.
Eventually, when theres enough nesting it gets too
much, so I finally paraphrase. But as you can see, im
-far- more comfortable then many people here are
with quoting- and im certainly not new to posting. On
firstclass bbses, quoting has become somewhat of an
artform, in the same way that I believe I use it-
quoting bits and snippets tailored to the point that is
trying to be made by the person whos quoting. To you,
its supposedly spam. To me, its a masterpiece.
Personally, I think that immorts should be given a
break and only have to focus on one specific board,
possibly even dividing -that- task up; perhaps you
need more immorts to do this, but thats my
recommendation anyway. In any case, if i were to
paraphrase everything i responded to instead of
quoting.. theres no way id be able to respond to
everyone. and i might get the gist of what is said
wrong, in which case id be accused of falsely putting
words into peoples mouths.. a bunch of headaches i
think are quite unnecessary considering one can just
quote and get it exactly right.
I read a fair amount of posts before i started posting-
notably, the web discussion board, though clearly the
main action is here. When i came here, seeing the
numbers of posts around, i concentrated on posts that
would be of particular interest to newbies. Since i
didnt find many, i went on to talk of things that i
thought newbies would be interested in (and hey, since
i was a newbie, it made it all the more interesting :-p).
nods. but im not a newbie immort, just a newbie.
Friday, April 30, 12:52AM
(part 2 of 2)
I think youre more the exception then the rule. Heck, if
i saw this quoting gong on, I think id just skip reading
from the beginning and maybe just read the top
appends- at the beginning, one can be starved just to
get into the game and so just putting something in and
getting some kind of response might be just the thing
to get one going.
At one point, i was posting about 50 posts a day to a
certain busy newsgroup and people were fine with it
(though not always my opinions :-p).
Perhaps excessive in that its too much for you to read
all through; my suggestion is that you dont; just focus
on one or 2 important threads and try to just look at
the last few messages only. On my part, ill have more
consideration for you immortals, as i now know how
more of how busy you must be.
<-Please- rethink your position. I would like to talk to
you, but cannot do so in this fashion.>
Youre not the only one with difficulties Sabella. When
im being attacked for my views, posting style,
whatever, therapy for me is parrying every single blow
if possible, attempting to show that im more then a
match for everyone combined. I dont want to get into
the nightmare of i didnt say that paraphrasing, not to
mention the fact that id then be disabled to reply to
everyone. From time to time, however, I start a new
post- those messages i recommend you read as theyre
almost -never- with quotes. Now that im thinking of
immortals, ive heard that new function has been made
to disallow someone from posting notes- im wondering
if this is because i told you how disallowing me from
posts would be the only way id stop quoting.. because
while thats true, its also true that if the read next
function were changed to simply allow the gag function
to work with it (so that if you typed read next and
someone you gagged was next, itd just skip over that
and go to the next person), itd save everyone grief (me
grief from not being able to post with jean and
everyone else from having to contend with new
characters that they didnt know was me posting- not
to mention protesting the decision in chat, in tells (with
permission), in rooms, wherever. in closing- brute force
seems to get rid of problems fast, but the repercussions
can be far worse then the original problem. Trying to
work with the person involved, as Sandra so adamantly
refused when i asked her to do this gag thing (Wuss
was actually the first person to suggest it) will only
exacerbate the situation. And the most brute force way,
just banning me? What kind of things will that bring?
Perhaps a lesson that might means right.. or mob rule
means right.. and where that can lead, well..
Friday, April 30, 11:25AM
Brute force? I've told you to stop spamming. You seem so intent
on reading this board, perhaps you should read the help files.
I've told you to stop, I've warned you for it, if you want to
see who holds out the longest, fine. I promise you that you'll
Friday, April 30, 06:54PM
in append 34, Sandra writes:
yes, thats right- people like you and lady ace basically
threatening my very right to be here simply because i
quote is pretty brute force- oh, sure, you could have
just banned me the moment i didnt follow your order,
but its a pretty barbaric way of dealing with such a
simple problem. Anyways, i heard youre going to deny
me access to the boards if i continue with some new
code one of you imms brewed up- so you laughed when
i asked to have the read next command allow one to
gag a persons notes and then you turn around and
cook up a way to gag me outright? for shame- this is
the most obvious attempt at just trying to silence one,
not because you have to read -any- of what i write, but
simply because you dont like what im saying (you
seem to have made it pretty clear that its my ideas,
not the way i convey them, that youre -really- against
and youd just like to silence my ideas as best you can
without looking like a -real- ogre).
Ah, here we go with the why dont you just get lost in
the help files business. If theres a specific help file
youd like me to look at, tell me. Or perhaps -you-
should define how exactly im spamming. Ive asked
you to before, but apparently you seemed to have
youll never learn. I can -never- lose when i fight
against oppression- if you ban me, my legacy of
fighting oppression will remain- some new players,
namely ulric and skateboarder, as well as ronnie before
them have shown that im not the -only- one who feels
that your picking on my quoting is -way- out of hand.
Deny me access to these boards and you create a
powerful antagonist. Ban me and you create a martyr.
Only by trying to negotiate (wow, a new word for you)
will you ever get peace.
Friday, April 30, 07:16PM
Hm. About Jean and his 'quoting is an artform' and when he says it
lets him respond without having to interpret whatever.
Here's a quote for you:
The devil may quote the Scripture for his own purposes
Which I take to mean just because he uses the quotes doesn't mean
he uses them in CONTEXT always.
I think he refuses to stop quoting because that might mean he had
to pay attention to what other people say and hinder the way I've
noticed he twists other's words around to his own ends.
my 2 pence
Friday, April 30, 07:12PM
First of all, I'd like to take this opportunity to say hi. :-p
Second, I'd like to say STOP BEING BIG BABIES!!! -POKE SANDRA-
and...to be fair...-POKE JEAN-. However, you people are inflating
something that doesn't need to be inflated.
I'm appalled at the behavior displayed by the imms in particular. In
fact, I'm downright sickened! -tosses immortal code of conduct out the
window- A lot of good it does anyways! What happened to making people
feel welcome? Sure Jean may be "spammy" in your definition, but who
bloody cares? If you, DON'T READ HIS DANG POSTS! Noone is forcing you!
bloody cares? If you care so much, DON'T READ HIS DANG POSTS! Noone is
forcing you too!
Anyways...I just felt like defending someone whose player rights were
getting infringed upon. It doesn't happend extremely often so I feel
that, as a player, I have to help.
Sure he's new and doesn't know squat about Legend...but you have to
be civil to him at the least. Even if you don't like his posts, either
the spamminess or the content, that's no reason to be mad at him!!!
What happened to free expression?
Anyways...enough from me. You know what I'm trying to say anyways.
And if you are too thick-skulled to understand and apply, then I start
to question why they let you be imms in the first place...or how you
as individual morts survived so long with such a hostile frame of mind.
(Or, to sum up in two words: GROW UP!!! (both sides of argument))
Friday, April 30, 07:19PM
Case in point, Jean. You don't have a right to be here. You have
been given a priviledge. This system, as almost all MUDS, are
run by the immortals as a volunteer act. Therefore, if the immortals
ask you to cease a certain behavior, and you fail to comply, you are
not being denied your rights when they kick you off, you're having
a priviledge revoked. Its sort of like if you drink and drive, you lose
your licence. You don't have a right to a licence, you have a priviledge
to have a licence, and its someone elses right to take that away.
You complain about being attacked on all sides, in an earlier post. (Look
I did that without "quoting". Might it be possible that you ar
now bringing these attacks upon yourself to elevate your sense of
victimhood? I don't see any rational reason for your insistance
upon quoting in such a spammy fashion (really, the lines get MUCH wider
than you've been using) when so many have pointed out that they
find your style rather annoying.
Now, me personally, I can live with it, but if I had a habit of posting
something in what is supposed to be a communal board, I wouldn't
go out of my way to annoy others by maintaining a particular
style that others found annoying. Also, we're pretty smart here -
your quotes aren't exactly necessary to help us follow the thread.
Well, anyway, food for thought. You've certainly made a mountain
out of a molehill, anyway. I don't know who to cackle at more,
you or everyone who's reacted to vehemently to you.
Have a wobbly day!
Saturday, May 01, 10:40AM
Sorry, Jean's last append was just way too funny. "Ban me, and you
create a martyr..." -laugh-
For your follow up, how 'bout you start quoting lines from Braveheart?
"Sandra, you may take my posting rights, but you will never take....
This is too funny.
Saturday, May 01, 01:43PM
In response to Delilah (append 36):
Delilah, i dont -have- to quote. And while its true that
one can twist the meaning of words, i think ive done
that rarely if ever. Perhaps misinterpreted, but if what
is said is vague, its hard not to- the quotes would help
in showing where the vagueness was and how it was
that i got it mistaken, thus helping the poster figure out
how not to be so vague in the future- or, alternatively,
a flaw in my general skills of interpretation. In any
case, im beginning to wonder if anyone here is
advanced enough in the art of replying to even
understand what im saying, sigh.
Saturday, May 01, 01:59PM
in append 38, Dworkin writes:
I know that.
for the wrong reasons- to oppress a disenting
viewpoint in this case. And not the viewpoint of
someone -really- spamming the board, like, say, Ceri
with her life/death infos. No, in this case, its just
someone whos writing a fair amount of information
and quoting who hes replying to provide the proper
You have to be -pretty- stupid to drink and drive. I
dont even drink, so it saves me even -thinking- about
whether whos driving me home. This is far different.
Yeah, you paraphrased- takes a while and in a
complicated point by the other side, can lead to
misinterpretation even in the paraphrase.. which, in
turn, can lead to your opponent in the debate say that
youre putting words in his or her mouth..
oh yeah, i -really- enjoy being a victim, cmon, bring it
I have quoted like this for -years-. you hear me?
-years-. some have objected (until they got that quote
feature on fc bbses anyways) but most have left it
alone. this is the first time -ever- that i might be
banned for -quoting- (sheesh).
<(really, the lines get MUCH wider than you've been
it has to do with the font that i like when im typing
these things up on my word processor- it seems some
letters can really scrunch up, making it pass the letter
limit per line. What is the limit, anyways?
Take out my quotes in a thread then see how much
sense it makes sometimes. like the first 2 quotes and
their responses in this very message, say- what would
i know that mean without your quote? almost
Saturday, May 01, 04:54PM
In regards to my suggesting that Sandra was kinda
well, maybe not quite like an ogre.. maybe more like a
witch.. more class, those witches.. and more deceptive
too :-p. with maybe a bunch of henchmen.. call them
the message 49er no goblin squad or something :-p.
Its so easy to use brute force initially- seems to get rid
of the problem. no brains required for it either. But the
problems it creates, ah.. thats another story :-p.
Saturday, May 01, 04:59PM
I asked you twice to stop with the spam. Then I told you to stop,
as you couldn't seem to grasp the concept of actually being polite
enough to do what half of the mud has asked you to do.
If that makes me a witch... -shrug- I don't see any brute force
though. Perhaps it was the exclamation point at the end of
one of the sentences in the first two appends. Or perhaps
you seem so intent on getting yourself into trouble, as you keep
bringing up being banned and whatnot, like its a prize, that
you're seeing what you want to see...
Saturday, May 01, 05:11PM
In response to Amadio, append 39:
Perhaps you find ones right to freedom funny- i
certainly dont. Yes, I know being in this place is a
privilege; but if you take all of this into a different
light, youll see that, like the physical world, the online
world has its haves and have nots- the ones with the
money and the technical expertise can tell the ones
who dont have these things what to do. Which is ok if
you have perfect leaders.. but no ones perfect.. so the
hope goes that theyll see the error of their ways if
theyre mistaken.. because if not.. well.. ive been on 2
muds like that already.. being banned can be a terrible
thing to go through or, on the other side, to do to
Saturday, May 01, 05:20PM
in append 43, Sandra writes:
i didnt see the first one until after i saw the second- lot
of messages on here..
that i saw and responded to as soon as i did.
Youre hardly polite- youve already warned me
-twice-. and for what? simply because i quote it seems..
or is there more to it then that?
no, that wouldnt make you a witch- what would make
you a witch is if you got someone to make code to deny
access to the boards while you couldnt even change the
code for the read next command, to allow people to
skip my posts automatically.
Not yet, true. But the threat of brute force is all to clear.
Thats insulting, but i take it that somehow you actually
think i think its a prize. I keep on bringing it up
because im trying to make it clear to everyone just
whats at stake here- this isnt just a discussion- you
have the power to take away this whole -mud- away
from me and id like to make it clear that you seem to
be threatening to do just that if i continue with my
Saturday, May 01, 05:50PM
in append 37, SkaTeBoaRDeR writes:
hey, why am -i- a baby :-p? anyways, sandra can talk
and all, so.. shed atleast have to be a child, he he :-).
Im -dying- to know what Sandras definition of
spammy -is-- i can hardly fight it if i dont even know
The argument would be that if theyre using read next
and have screenlen set, theyd have to press return a
few times- the thing is, i -agree- with them that it
could be a mild inconvenience; -Sandra-, though,
instead of heeding the call of Wusss message, said that
she wouldnt do it for -me-. Never mind the fact that I
think i deserve a -little- help now and then, this one
would benefit others far more then itd benefit me
directly (i dont use the read next command anyways,
so i -never- have to worry about this.) Maybe if she
knew that Wuss is the one who first asked for it.. on
the other hand, maybe she knows perfectly well that
itd aleviate the problem- maybe she just wants to
have an excuse to deny me access to the boards?
sniff sniff.. you dont think my posts are spammy -too-,
do you ;-r?
Well, not always- i mean, we wouldnt want a neo nazi
trying to get recruits- but the fact of the matter is, id
just like some changes made in the infrastructure of
Well, as Ladyace said, freedom of expression ends
when someones waving their arms in front of your
nose or something- but in this case, if ones annoyed by
my posts, one can -easily- steer clear, with a few
return presses- hopefully this post filter that Wuss and
others wants will go in and then things would -really-
Oh, easily- i mean, think about it- there were, what, 25
people who were practically lining up to put in their
token get rid of him note in message 48. Many of
them didnt even feel the need to explain their wish-
its called mob mentality. A sad thing, but,
unfortunately, something we still cant avoid in todays
Sunday, May 02, 08:51AM
Sounds like the democracy and the democratic rights you seem so
fond of saying don't exist here.
ps note I sign at the end, so you don't have to scroll up to see
who wrote it
Sunday, May 02, 12:25PM
OK, let me make it reeeeeeal simple--
A whole lot of people, for whatever reason, have asked you to stop quoting
Should we like you for this? This isn't some sort of moral lesson,
and it's not a fairy tale, put it in Oz language as much as you like.
This is about you pissing off a lot of people for no reason, and to
be honest, I think you get a kick out of it.
Tuesday, May 04, 01:18AM
in append 47, Embeth writes:
this place is somewhat democratic- i just dont think its
democratic enough. Even an opponent of mine, Wuss,
would agree to that id think.
i know who wrote it before i even read the message,
simply because i check to see the names to the appends
first- which would mean that you writing your name at
the ending would be redundant to me. Not that I care-
a little extra text certainly never hurt -me-, chuckle :-p.
ive yet to see that its hurt anyone else, but im sure
there are plenty thatd say that its traumatized them
for life :-p.
Tuesday, May 04, 01:25AM
in append 48, Amadio writes:
Allegedly, because its killing them or something, right
:-p? As many have said before, if they dont want to
read what i write, they only have to look at the
appends and make sure they dont read mine. Or, if
they want to use read next, type read next one more
time (maybe a few enters in between). Despite the
basic ease of this, with people like Ulric and
Skateboarder pointing that out, I actually
recommended a solution thatd benefit all id think-
that I get my -own- board, just one north of here, say.
Sandra would rather just deny me access to boards,
however, then work out a peaceful solution, so thats
what shes done (which is why im not on as jean right
Never said you had to like me for the way i write. On
the other hand, disliking me simply because i quote is a
bit much id think.
according to you anyways.
fairy tales are made upon dreams.. wishes.. fantasies..
metaphors life isnt all dreams, fantasies & metaphors-
but sometimes wed like to look at it that way- i know i
did when i wrote oz. I wont respond to the rest-
clearly you havent been paying attention to my posts
or youd never have written it.