Lecture Series Index

January 11th, 2001

Q & A Index

Topics Covered

Expies Ballots?
Influencing Polls
How do Strings get Nominated for Expies?
What about SkillTrees?
Changes to Create Healing Roots?
Music Channel?
Quickdraw Bug?
Weapon Variety/Choices
HP/MA/MV & Old Gear
Changing Eq in Playerfiles
Items Changing Posted
See invis Spectacles Clone?
Decent Staff?
New Amethyst Ring & Spelltools & Wands
More See_Dark Items?
How are attacks figured?
Hitting harder when sitting?
Group Level Limits?
Freedom of the Forrest Quest
Why not use more color?
Why not damcap everything?
Not all LOP mobs have items?
What's the deal with old eq now?
Skilltrees revisited?
Found the Dex Problem?
Yank the Main Gauche? - How about Dual Wield?
How do the imms feel about PKOK now?
Help with Trees?
Is there going to be a bonus for con?
Is Rufus still working on Trees Stuff?
Lag on Spelltools
More PK wanted & how can we get it?

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Expies Ballots?

Frenchy says to LadyAce, 'I was just wondering about the progress of the Expies vote ballots, and if you had a time when you think they'll be raring and ready to go?'

LadyAce says, 'we'll be putting them up for you to vote on Feb 7th'

LadyAce says, 'we'll be using the polls system, rather than email, for the finals.'

LadyAce says, 'and nominations will go in via mail as normal'

Frenchy says, 'cool'

LadyAce smiles at Frenchy.

Frenchy thanks LadyAce heartily.


Influencing Polls

Woe says, 'on the subject of polls..what stops somebody voting with all of their alts...or is that considered acceptable?'

Frenchy says, 'why wouldnt it be?'

Thallus checked the boards and previous q&a sessions for that question...

LadyAce says, 'the poll system will log the char and their IP for us to avoid that'

Thallus snickers softly.

Woe says, 'well, I assumed it was meant to be one vote per player'

LadyAce says, 'there's also a filter which fixes that automatically'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Woe.

Frenchy says, 'cool'

Blue1Guest says, 'a student or public library user can easily use multiple IPs...'

Thallus says, 'close ip'

Thallus says, 'only off by a point or too'

Ea! says, 'yeah, but we can catch those.'

LadyAce says, 'it'll match close IPs as well as identical'

Frenchy says, 'what are we voting on here, the Grammys?'

Blue1Guest says, 'so you need to be in a different domain? Ahhh...'

Ea! says, 'And the consequences of being caught would be bad.'

Bean says, 'what if students from the same school both mud?'

Thallus says, '140.198.*.*, same campus, and alot of characters have "known" alts.'

LadyAce says, 'and we may put in a minimum hours played, etc.'

Woe says, 'well, if you can catch them thats ok, but perhaps it should be made clear as a deterrent?'

Thallus says, 'close enough to single out a player'

LadyAce says, 'but in the past expies, we haven't had filters & scripts to help us.'

Bean says, 'then two players could be seen as the same person'

LadyAce says, 'so we're much better off with this system than the past, by a long shot'

Thallus says, 'possible'

LadyAce says, 'yes, it's always part of the rules & we'll post it for sure'

Kaige says, 'just a char name and an email address... I could personally vote about 6 times if I REALLY wanted to'

Chaykin smiles happily.

Almeric says, 'Well, my brother and I both use the same computer for our characters..how's that going to work?'

Thallus says, 'but then again, i'm assuming imms are looking over it so'

Ea! says, 'before, it just asked for a player name and an e-mail address.'

Frenchy says, 'its just gonna be more of a headache for you'

Woe says, 'I didn't mean just the expies...I was wondering about polls in general'

LadyAce says to Frenchy, 'the scripts will make a big difference in that, I don't expect to need to check them a lot by hand'

Chaykin says, 'ooo are expies being done by online poll this year?'

LadyAce says to Woe, 'all of the polls can use these filters for unique characters'

Woe nods solemnly.

Frenchy nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Chaykin says, 'cool cool'

LadyAce says, 'I don't expect to see a problem'

Thallus says to LadyAce, 'what if 2 players are using the same computer for different characters with the same ip'

Bean says, 'I know at least two people who mud here who go to the same school that I go to'

LadyAce says, 'we'll have a filter, and it'll pull out 'questionable' votes'

Thallus shrugs helplessly.

LadyAce says, 'then we'll evaluate those for 'known shared IPs' and 'known same players''

Frenchy says, 'then vote from home and not from school'

Blue1Guest says, 'questionables will be questioned by imms, then?'

Thallus says, 'i'm assuming you thought about that already tho, just someone asked it and it wasnt answered tho'

Bean says, 'we get a free ISP through school :P'

LadyAce says, 'we wouldn't discount your vote without mentioning the problem to you first'

Blue1Guest nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'we're not voting for President in Florida after all :P I'm sure it'll turn out fine'

Tobias rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Thallus ducks to the ground.

Bean rolls around laughing at LadyAce's joke.

Blue1Guest laughs with amusement.

Almeric chuckles politely at LadyAce's feeble witticism.

Tobias says, 'Hey, I'm in florida!'

Tobias pouts.

Chaykin gives a rimshot.

LadyAce comforts Tobias.

Almeric comforts Tobias.

Blue1Guest brandishes a hanging chad


How do Strings get Nominated for Expies?

Zaba says, 'oh yeah... how do you get a string nominated?'

LadyAce says, 'strings are nominated by players'

LadyAce says, 'so nominate your string or get your friends to nominate it'

Thallus nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'it'll be over email'

Thallus says, 'thanks'

LadyAce says, 'does that cover it for Expies? I'm way excited about this year.'

Chaykin cheers wildly!

Frenchy nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Frenchy says, 'me too'

LadyAce says, 'not having to worry so much about the voting means we can focus on the event.'

LadyAce says, 'plus if we typo, we can just go fix it, not scramble to tell everyone and mail out new ballots.'

LadyAce giggles.


What about SkillTrees?

Chaykin says, 'okie three simultaneous linked questions'

Chaykin says, 'why are skilltrees on hold, when will they be off hold, and what is the priority of the coding staff while they are not being worked on?'

Thallus throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Blue1Guest rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Ming snickers softly.

Thallus says, 'bugs bugs bugs'

Bean giggles.

LadyAce says, 'that's a big question'

Zaba says to Chaykin, 'why dont you just ask them to slay you?'

Thallus snickers softly.

Chaykin giggles.

Thallus rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Chaykin says, 'well, I want to know :P'

Ea! says, 'They're on hold because we don't have the staffing to work on them and because there's a lot of redesigning that's needed.'

Ea! says, 'We've been working on lots of other things in the mean time -- recently we've blown a lot of time on balance changes.'

Ea! says, 'We also are working on bug fixes...'

Chaykin says, 'redesigning? like, what you have already isn't good?'

Ea! says to Chaykin, 'Most of the plans for skill trees were made when we had different standards.'

Bean says, 'so is there any release date idea for skilltrees or is that still up in the air?'

Ea! says, 'we're no longer satisfied with what we had then.'

Chaykin says, 'can you elaborate any on what changes you mean to make?'

Ea! says, 'Since we're not actively working on them, we're not making any progress towards them.'

Chaykin nods solemnly.

Chaykin says, 'may I ask one more thing then?'

Ea! says, 'A lot of what we're working on currently is stuff to position us better for trees.'

Ea! says, 'we're redesigning the code so that it's more flexible and easier to maintain and update.'

LadyAce says, 'modernizing the code so a self-respecting coder would be more interested in working on it :)'

Chaykin says, 'why are trees necessary? why can't we just work on balancing what we already have? after all...once trees go in, it will take years before THOSE are balanced'

Ea! says, 'More functions, etc.'

Ea! says, 'I agree -- balancing trees *will* take years.'

LadyAce says, 'some of what we really and truly need for balance are in trees.'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Woe drools contentedly.

Chaykin says, 'well...'

Milo says, 'why can't we build things off what we have?'

LadyAce says, 'we need more interesting skills for fighters, for example'

Ea! says, 'Often people talk about trees as a solution to the balance problems -- rather it's a starting point for balance problems.'

Kaige says, 'that's what we're attempting to do, Milo.'

Chaykin says, 'that's why I wonder why you're even bothering to work on balance issues now, that won't even be factors when trees arrive'

Frenchy says, 'can we adapt those things into the game without trees?'

Ea! says, 'What it really gives us is more depth and more interesting things for people to do.'

Thallus says, 'why dont you put off "balancing" the mud, and get skill trees in, it was the idea in place first....seems to me its eating up alot of resources, with the very very small coding staff you have'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'we wonder that too sometimes, but we do need to play the game meanwhile'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'but it's a vicious cycle'

Blue1Guest says, 'are you rewriting everything into object oriented code?'

LadyAce says to Thallus, 'even if we didn't work on balance, we wouldn't be working on trees. we're too understaffed'

Ea! shakes his head.

Thallus says, 'i mean, hp/mana gear cant POSSIBLY be that important'

Kaige says to Thallus, 'hard to take up resources when it's on hold.'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'the more we work on balancing things now, the more they get put off'

Ea! says, 'No, we're not rewriting it as object oriented code.'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'not really....'

Thallus looks up into the sky and ponders.

Thallus shudders.

Bean says, 'is legend written in C++?'

Thallus comforts Ea!.

LadyAce says, 'C actually'

Thallus says, 'C'

Thallus nods solemnly.

Bean nods solemnly.

Frenchy says, 'ok Thallus, if everyone here was interested in changing the code, then that would prolly be priority number one'

Frenchy says, 'but they arent, they are interested in it being balanced'

Thallus says, 'well, duh =p'

Chaykin says, 'I mean, a year from now, you might have put more changes in to balance the current system, that require even MORE rewriting of trees to make them work'

Chaykin shrugs philosophically.

LadyAce says, 'I don't think balance changes make trees need rewriting...'

Milo says, 'and fighters still won't have interesting skills'

Ea! says to Chaykin, 'It's not the balance that causes us to rewrite the tree system.'

Chaykin says to Ea!, 'then what is?'

LadyAce says, 'it's more that trees will make our balance work largely useless :P'

Ea! says, 'The problem is entropy -- the more code we right, the less organized the code is.'

LadyAce says, 'except the lessons we learn in the process'

Frenchy asks Milo a question.

It sounded like 'why not?' to you.

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'that's just my point'

Ea! says, 'We need it more organized to do what we want with Trees.'

Milo says to Frenchy, 'because they won't go in until trees'

Ea! says, 'We need the time to redo the organization of the code.'

Thallus looks up into the sky and ponders.

Frenchy says, 'how, can they put trees, a mess itself, inside a mess they cant work with?'

Chaykin says, 'and your main issue with that is, you don't have people?'

Frenchy says, 'why not sort the first mess, then the second?'

LadyAce says, 'they're working on the reorganization, though'

Ea! says, 'No, here's the real problem:'

Thallus throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Ea! says, 'In order to do trees, we need to do two things: first, organize the code, and second, write a lot of skills. Neither of those are things that affect the running mud -- they're not very exciting to write as no one sees them.'

Ea! says, 'If they don't get finished, they're just wasted, as well, which means they're a large commitment.'

Chaykin looks up into the sky and ponders.

Ming says, 'is new hometowns part of trees?'

Kaige says to Ming, 'yes, but that's more a builder issue than a coding one'

Milo says, 'reorganization sounds very exciting to me'

Kaige comforts Milo.

Ming says to Kaige, 'can a builder make a new hometown before trees go in?'

Blue1Guest says, 'but we appreciate it, Ea!, even if we can't see it :)'

Thallus says, 'reorginization of code is tough to do'

Chaykin says, 'well I don't know how well I can speak for others, but I for one would be content without any new and exciting code going into the game right now, if I were positive that trees were a real possibility in their place'

Thallus says, 'also a big pain in the arss'

Thallus says, 'however, it obviously needs to get done'

LadyAce says to Ming, 'it's hard to make a new hometown to house skills and char types that won't go in for a while'

Blue1Guest nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Ming nods his agreement with Ea!.

Kaige says to Ming, 'they can certainly build one that could be considered as one, but we'd like to keep what we have now, until we can decided again based on skill sets and stuff like that on which new ones to add further down the road.'

Frenchy says to Chaykin, 'they cant add trees into a big mess....'

Ea! says to Chaykin, 'Would you be willing to have no bugs fixed, no changes made for 2 years from now, iff trees were going to come in 2 years?'

Frenchy says to Chaykin, 'they gotta organize the mess first'

Thallus says, 'again, hp/mana gear changes cant possibly, rather, shouldnt get in the way of something that should have started a LONG time ago'

Ming says, 'NO!'

Kaige says, 'I drove myself insane a while ago trying to figure out ways to get interesting mixes of skills, without repeating abilities and stuff.'

Chaykin says to Ea!, 'bugs, no. new changes, yes'

Ming says to Thallus, 'the hp stuff has to go either way, trees or no trees'

Ea! says to Chaykin, 'We spend more time on bugs than new features.'

Thallus says to Ming, 'its not that huge of an imbalance'

Chaykin says to Ea!, 'then that -is- a personnel issue'

LadyAce says, 'the new stuff often happens before I can finish explaining why I think it's a good idea :P'

Blue1Guest says, 'but organizing the code should help with bugs, right?'

Milo says, 'if there are no new changes, then there shouldn't be many new bugs'

Ming says, 'uhhh yes it is'

LadyAce says, 'the bugs may take weeks to find'

Thallus says, 'yes'

Thallus says, 'organising code, you'll probobly stumble upon a few bugs that you either couldnt figure out or didnt know were there'

Ea! says, 'The new features that we do that take more than a few days of programming time are all things that are in the old definition of "trees" (that which included housing, etc.).'

Kaige says, 'damn dholes'

Ming blinks at Kaige.

Chaykin says, 'I've been playing long enough that for me at least, 2 years is not too long to wait. I wouldn't even care if minor bugs were left in, to be honest, if I thought trees were really coming'

Ea! says to Milo, 'Lots of the bugs we're working on have been known for a long, long time.'

Ea! says to Chaykin, 'Now, here's where it gets tricky, though:'

Ea! says, 'Coders stop coding if they don't get to see their work enjoyed by the players.'

Thallus says, 'an imbalance is one character type being able to insta-slay anything in the mud with no mana/hp loss, right now there arent any huge imbalances, i dont see the need for the few coders that you have getting clogged up with minor balance'

Thallus says, 'tweaking'

Chaykin nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'and the more people complain about balance problems, bugs, etc. the more likely they are to feel unappreciated'

Ea! says, 'That's why we started moving trees in in groups (the fight system, the xp scale, housing, etc.) instead of all at once.'

Ming says to Thallus, 'you pk?'

Blue1Guest says, 'but some of us DO appreciate it, maybe they should get more publicity for their efforts?'

Frenchy says to Thallus, 'I see a big dif between my dexy char and my con hitter'

Thallus says, 'people want to see work even just STARTED on skill trees'

LadyAce says, 'well, when was the last time you sent an imm a note saying 'this x thing you did was really cool' :)'

Milo says, 'I don't know what the imms do'

LadyAce says to Thallus, 'it's been started. we get made fun of every time we say so, but it has been'

Kaige says to Thallus, 'I think a lot of people don't know that much of what we've been doing is part of it'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Milo.

Tobias says, 'I don't send notes, but I send tells about stuff I like often.'

Thallus says to LadyAce, 'thats because people arent kept informed'

Blue1Guest says, 'it's been started more than once :)'

Kaige smiles at Tobias.

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'no one really knows which imm was responsible for what change, more often than not'

Thallus says to LadyAce, 'which is another issue'

Ea! says, 'What about "trees" is it that people want? I mean, most of what was originally meant by "trees" is already in the game.'

Thallus looks up into the sky and ponders.

Milo says to Ea!, 'more skills'

Chaykin says to Ea!, 'we want lots of fighter skills'

Milo nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Sandra slowly fades into existence.

Bean says, 'more skills!'

Chaykin says, 'the Legend webpage has all these cool-sounding skills that aren't in the game, listed as though they were'

Thallus says to Ea!, 'what would really be nice one day is to log into a motd post that says work has been started on orginization of the code base for prepping for skill trees'

LadyAce says, 'I have found that telling people about who did what just gets the coder spammed with mean tells about how much they hate it'

Chaykin says, 'pin...suckerpunch...charge...what ARE those?'

Chaykin says, 'I wanna know'

Blue1Guest says, 'I would like to see more specialization, which seems like what trees are made for'

Ea! says, 'If I could figure out a way to put new skills into the game without having the reimb issue and without making it way out of balance, I'd do it.'

Milo says, 'rune'

Chaykin says, 'hell, I wanna USE them'

Sandra says, 'go IC and I'll suckerpunch ya =P'

Thallus says, 'thats all you need, people would be in a riot'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'hey, they've actually been written :P'

Chaykin giggles at Sandra.

Ea! says to Thallus, 'It already has.'

Sandra giggles.

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'then how come they're not in?'

Thallus says to Ea!, 'but there has to be followup'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'cuz they're part of an unfinished package'

Ea! says to Thallus, 'We're working on reorganzing the code. It's a slow process.'

Thallus nods solemnly.

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'what part of it is unfinished?'

Ming says, 'how many TIMES can the same question be answered???'

Ea! says, 'If we put in a dozen new skills right now, mages would be too powerful.'

Chaykin says to Ming, 'once :P'

Sandra nods her agreement with Ea!.

Milo says, 'I would rather see things piecemeal than have to wait without end in sight'

Ming throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Thallus says to Ea!, 'but no one knows about it, even if no one here knew proggin lang, you should post something like, reorganised some code today, came across a bump, trying to smooth it out, will post update later'

Ea! says, 'Actually, probably what'd happen is that Klein'd be the only hometown to be from.'

Thallus shrugs in response to Ea!'s words.

Chaykin says to Ea!, 'not if you made the reqs for them very difficult for mages to get...or even put hometown restrictions on them'

Bean says, 'isn't there a way to put in one dex skill, one con, one str, one mage, on sniper, one hear skill?'

LadyAce says, 'another reason why you see small changes rather than the large ones is time. Ea may have 15 hours a week to spend coding, but they're not all connected together all the time. He may end up with an hour a day, which is enough time to d'

Bean says, 'so everyone gets something new at once?'

Ea! says to Thallus, 'It's slow.'

Ming says, 'klein needs something hehe'

Ming says, 'now its the worst town to be from'

Thallus nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'er which is enough time to do small things, not large ones.'

Thallus says to LadyAce, 'understandable, very'

Milo shakes her head in disagreement with Ming.

Chaykin says, 'I personally don't think many people would cry too loudly if there were a few fight skills exclusive to London and Lima'

Milo says, 'Lima is worst'

Ming looks up into the sky and ponders.

Ea! says, 'What I'd *like* to do is to put in trees one tree at a time, and go from there.'

LadyAce says, 'it also doesn't help that he's been too sick to even go to work for the last 2 weeks :P'

Ming says, 'ya maybe they both weak'

LadyAce hugs Ea!.

Thallus says to LadyAce, 'but if ONLY ea! is coding, thats a biiiig problem'

Chaykin comforts Ea!.

LadyAce says to Thallus, 'Rufus, Huginn, Snapper do stuff too.'

Ea! says, 'London'll get all of the stage magician skills, I think.'

Thallus says, 'how many other coders do ya guys have?'

Woe says, 'I'm from Lima'

Ea! says to Thallus, 'Wizlist.'

Ming says, 'what about san fran?'

Ea! says, 'That's up to date.'

Kaige says, 'one reason not to put things in here and there is we'd be forever changing req's and stuff and reimbing skills taking up time every time we did it.. as well as have to take time to balance and fix problems in those that would only show up with a bunch of players banging on them and we'd never get any more done'

Milo says, 'train me to code. It can't be that hard'

LadyAce says to Thallus, 'I'm less familiar with their time restraints is all.'

Thallus says, 'all are active?'

Ming nods his agreement with Kaige.

Thallus nods solemnly.

Frenchy cackles gleefully at Milo - whatever she's going to do to her, glad it's not you!

Thallus nods solemnly.

Thallus says, 'naturally'

Frenchy says to Milo, 'you'd die in the intro'

Ea! says, 'If we didn't need to worry about reimbs when we added new skills, it'd be a lot easier.'

Milo snickers at Frenchy nastily.

Chaykin says, 'well'

Chaykin says, 'most of my fighters have like 12 free pracs'

Chaykin snickers softly.

Thallus chuckles politely.

Milo says, 'most pure fighters have upwards of 10 practices'

Ming says, 'you could make un-learning skills for pracs a mort command'

Ming ducks to the ground.

Ea! says to Chaykin, 'Not all of the skills are fighter skills.'

LadyAce giggles at Ming.

Thallus says, 'its back again to the same thing, time and priority'

Kaige also codes, but has been handling more of the builder issues, but Sandra has also been known to code a skill or two as well

Milo says, 'and the more dedicated players are all happy to build new chars'

LadyAce says, 'I don't mind the workload for the reimbs so much as the disorder it brings'

Thallus says, 'how much time do you have, and what really needs to be done'

Sandra says to Kaige, 'or at least, I can break them pretty well ;)'

LadyAce tickles Sandra.

Chaykin says to Ea!, 'but aren't the fighter ones more important, since it's them that are most underpowered atm?'

Sandra giggles.

Milo nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Thallus pets Sandra lovingly.

Thallus chuckles politely.

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'well, but we can't take skills away from mages without boosting magic to make it independent'er...for example.'

Ea! says to Chaykin, 'Well, if we were putting in skills in order to get everything with trees done, we'd do them in the order that made it easiest to code them.'

Ea! says, 'Certain trees are easier than others.'

Ea! says, 'The merchant ones, for example, are really tricky.'

Thallus says to Ea!, 'you do have the test mud tho right?'

Sandra says to Ea!, 'make mine be last, coz I forgot which it was again'

LadyAce says, ''the test mud' is a copy of the current mud....'

Ea! says, 'What do you mean by "the test mud"?'

Ea! giggles at Sandra.

Sandra giggles.

LadyAce says, 'you use a 'test mud' when you want to try out a recently-made change, and then you commit it and it goes into the game'

Thallus says to Ea!, 'if you were to work on code changes on a mud box that was a mirror image of the actuall mud,'

Ea! says to Thallus, 'Yeah, we do that...'

Thallus says, 'you could do work a little at a time on the image, and move it all at once when your done?'

Tobias says, 'You could have a team of players to play on another machine to test new developments?'

Chaykin says, 'well IMO, a few more fight skills that are already coded, IF they wouldn't take a lot of time away from trees, would help satisfy people for a long while whilst you worked on the other stuff'

Ea! says to Thallus, 'We do that as well.'

LadyAce says to Tobias, 'we're no where near that stage :P'

Tobias flops about helplessly.

Ming says, 'elbow choke went in'

Tobias says, 'Will you be doing that?'

Ming shrugs philosophically.

Chaykin nods his agreement with Ming.

Chaykin says, 'but elbow and choke aren't that great :P'

Thallus says to Ea!, 'but for small projects, like skills and spells, bug fixes etc, one at a time right?'

Ming says, 'both suck tho, too bad'

Kaige says, 'we used to try to do that when we were first really chugging away at trees with Arkenstone and it was nearly impossible to get anyone to log in for the time that was needed to really test anything well'

Bean nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Tobias says, 'Choke is good.'

Ming says to Tobias, 'you choke in pk?'

Tobias says, 'PK isn't the whole game...I can't choke, anyways ^_~'

LadyAce says to Ming, 'pk is not the determiner of everything :P'

Tobias says, 'choke is good for mobkill.'

Blue1Guest says, 'maybe we should all wait and let the code get cleaned up before we badger Ea! with wish lists of skills...'

Ming says, 'so are doppels hehe'

Sandra says, 'choke is all I use for my dex chars in mobkill =P'

Milo says, 'fighters need good skills, that only they have. Not middling skills of occasional use that any char can get'

Chaykin says, 'a pin skill...jeez, I'd congratulate the entire imm staff every day until they do whatever else they want to, just in exchange for that'

Chaykin cheers for LadyAce - huzzah!

Chaykin cheers for Sandra - huzzah!

Chaykin cheers for Ea! - huzzah!

Kaige tickles Chaykin.

Chaykin says, 'oops'

Chaykin cheers for Kaige - huzzah!

LadyAce says, 'I'm not sure we have room for any NEW ideas for skills for trees at this point. Not until we know where the holes in the trees are, at any rate.'

Chaykin says to Kaige, 'sorry!'

LadyAce tickles Blue1Guest.

Thallus looks up into the sky and ponders.

Ea! says, 'the places where we have room for ideas is in specific trees...'

Blue1Guest giggles.

Thallus says, 'you guys have most of it mapped out though right?'

LadyAce says, 'I imagine we'll get back to trees once this cycle of balance fixes has run its course'

Milo says, 'we can help with ideas'

Ea! nods his agreement with Thallus.

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'you mean just hp and hit/dam stuff?'

Thallus says to LadyAce, 'balanace is a never ending cycle,'

Ea! says, 'Yeah, though it changes here and there.'

LadyAce says to Thallus, 'not exactly.'

Thallus says, 'the point is to realize where balance is needed, and when its fine tuning'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'yeah...fixing the dam stuff has (as you can see) set us back at least 6 months'

Ea! says, 'I've been working (slowly) on the changes to poison that we want for trees.'

Ming says, 'the hp stuff is happening why is everyone still whining about it?'

LadyAce says to Thallus, 'unfortunately the dam stuff was in the 'balance' not 'fine tuning' category'

Ea! says, 'That's what the whole addition of paralysis was for.'

Thallus nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Thallus says, 'definatley'

Chaykin says, 'my main point is...I think a lot of people would accept threadbare changes in the mud, and playing the game as-is for awhile, if they could get a pledge that trees will be done in their place, sometime in the near future'

Bean nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Chaykin shrugs philosophically.

LadyAce says, 'I think that 'near future' for a lot of people is 6 months...'

Ming says, 'they cant be done in a short time, period'

LadyAce says, 'not 2 years.'

Thallus says, 'and posts, and updates, etc etc'

Blue1Guest says, 'you can't hold volunteers to a deadline :P'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'well those people are dopes :P'

Thallus throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Thallus says to Chaykin, 'i'm not a dope, i'm just extremely impatient'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Thallus's head.

Chaykin says, 'I've been hearing about trees for 6 years, if you tell me today that they can be ready in 2, if you leave other stuff alone, I'd be happy as a clam'

LadyAce says, 'I think we have to continue with some blend of 'trees-only changes for the next 3 months' alternating with 'other changes for the next month''

Ea! says, 'And I'm not sure that we could commit to doing it in two years...'

Chaykin says, 'even 3 would be okie'

Chaykin shrugs philosophically.

Chaykin says, 'small potatoes'

Ming says, '3 years of imbalance in pk?'

Ming pukes.

Bean frowns at Ming.

Chaykin says to Ming, 'there's already been almost 7 years of imbalance in pk :P'

Kaige says, 'and people just said there weren't such huge imbalances right now'

Ming says, 'good point'

Thallus says, 'i think the timeset was for getting trees in, the time afterward for balancing dont count in my book = )'

Ea! says, 'But 60% of what we meant by "trees" 6 years ago is in.'

Ming says, 'BUT i'd like to think we are getting close and closer'

Chaykin says to Ea!, 'all I want are the skills. the rest, I can take or leave'

Chaykin shrugs philosophically, commiserating with Ea!.

LadyAce says, 'I really hope after the hp stuff goes in we can get back to the bits and pieces of trees we've been working on'

Milo nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Ming says, 'all thats left IS the skills'

Thallus nods solemnly.

Blue1Guest says, 'OK, poison must be gone by now, I'll be back in my true form.'

LadyAce says to Ming, 'well, if it makes you feel better, most of the fighter tree is done, and a good bit of the poison stuff is done as well'

Tobias reports: 281/565 hp 284/621 mana 577/604 mv.

Ea! says, 'To us, housing was more important. The new xp scale was as well. Not to mention the new fight system.'

Thallus wished he knew more about C so he could help out.

Bean nods his agreement with Thallus.

Chaykin nods his agreement with Thallus.

Ming says, 'good i am looking forward to trees'

Bean says to Thallus, 'thats what i am thinking'

Chaykin says, 'I took C once. But I wasn't very good at it'

Chaykin chuckles politely.

LadyAce says, 'lullabye. Runes.'

Chaykin nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Woe says, 'I am learning C++'

Milo says, 'lullabye is horrid'

Thallus does know a little bit, and would love to help out, but theres only so much a novice can do.

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'yeah, those things are all we really want'

Kaige says, 'well Ptah and I learned C by coding many of the original spells... download a stock mud base and play away to get some experience if you want'

LadyAce raises her eyebrow at Milo.

Sandra says to Chaykin, 'don't feel bad, I'm not very good at it either =P'

Thallus nods his agreement with Kaige.

Ea! says to LadyAce, 'Well, Runes without the affects.'

Chaykin giggles at Sandra.

Bean giggles.

Ming says, 'circle mud is a good one to start on, compiles on aix and linus real easy FYI'

Bean says, 'why can't it be written in java?'

Ming says, 'linux even'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ming.

Bean ducks to the ground.

Ea! says to Bean, 'Java's painfully slow?'

Heineken says, 'JAVA? rofl talk about lag!'

Ming says, 'its gotta be C'

Bean says to Ea!, 'it's the only language I am taking classes in ATM'

Sandra giggles.

Chaykin comforts Bean.

LadyAce says, 'it might be interesting to put in the finished fight skills minus damage, so people could at least play with them.'

LadyAce says, 'find some bugs that way, not all'

Chaykin says, 'well I would help you guys out on the coding side, but I'd be more of a hindrance than a help'

Kaige says to Ming, 'and I haven't looked at it lately, but I bet Circle still has a lot of the same basic structure as merc did'

Chaykin chuckles politely.

LadyAce says, 'might be fun to RP tho'

Ming nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'well, you can comment out damage formulaes usually?'

Heineken says, 'but that's a little like getting a BMW without the keys :)'

LadyAce says to Heineken, 'true true'

Bean ponders teaching himself C so he can help out

Milo says, 'I'd help out on the organization of trees. I am a systematist. but you don't seem to want help'

Ming says to Kaige, 'was a couple years ago i played iwth it, but the code is organized well too'

LadyAce says to Milo, 'I don't think we're uninterested :) You should chat with us after Q & A.'

Chaykin says, 'I'll help!'

Chaykin points proudly at himself.

Thallus throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!


Changes to Create Healing Roots?

Ming says, 'ea! said soemthing about changing create roots'

Ming says, 'any thoughts or just tossing ideas around at this point?'

Ming says, 'they should heal based on mind maybe etc'

Ea! says, 'Mainly just a desire -- I don't have any idea s that I like.'

LadyAce says, 'I am advocating a no-eating-required spell'

Ming says to Ea!, 'what about making them work like the healing stones'

LadyAce says, 'one that uses the pill timer or creates a healing aura around you'

Ming says, 'you get 15 slots'

Ming says, 'you eat 15 roots they all filled for say 10 mud hours whatever'

Milo says, 'I like the healing aura idea'

Chaykin says, 'yeah...'create augmented cloth poultice''

Chaykin throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Ming says, 'you eat 4 you still have 11 left'

Ea! says, 'Yeah, though more recently, I've been thinking that the solution might be to make it hurt you more to be starving/parched.'

Ming says, 'hard on newbies'

Woe says, 'I think you should be able to starve to death :p'

Ming says, 'and really hurts create as they are now'

Chaykin says, 'ewww, I don't :P'

Ea! says, 'Well, I want to do something that doesn't just add a new counter.'

LadyAce says, 'yeah...i remember it taking me days to get thru the agrabah desert.'

Ming says, 'put it back the way it was?'

LadyAce says, 'that's why i say 'create magical mushroom' and count it off the drug timer :P'

Ming says, '25-35 hp heal just like causes'

Milo says, 'I remember being lampless and dehydrated in Egypt'

Ming comforts Milo.

Chaykin winces in sympathy with Milo.

Ming says, 'i like roots better though'

Ming says, 'the insta heal makes up for lack of damage spells and blind'


Music Channel?

Tobias says, 'Someone mentioned the idea of the Music channel earlier...opinion on that?'

Sandra wrinkles her nose distastefully.

Chaykin cheers wildly!

Tobias says, '(read: lyrics)'

Chaykin says, 'I can turn it off and not have to hear it anymore'

Chaykin melts in the blistering heat of the day.

Milo nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Sandra says, 'how about just tell them to shut up? =P'

LadyAce says, 'It's being discussed.'

Tobias grumbles to Sandra.

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'yeah, that works, too'

Tobias says to Sandra, 'Some of us enjoy it!'

Tobias says, 'Well...'

Tobias says, 'all the better reason to make the channel'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Tobias.

Tobias says, 'That way, you can filter it all out at once.'

Tobias nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Sandra says, 'but I don't think we need a specific channel for it. That's just my opinion tho. I'd rather they just shut the hell up =P'

Chaykin says, 'that's exactly the point, it'd be toggleable'

Heineken says, 'hmm...and maybe a pkill taunt channel as well? *duck*'

Sandra says to Tobias, 'no I can't. Being an imm, I should listen to all channels'

Ming says, 'cant they just ask for a conference?'

Ming rolls his eyes heavenward.

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'but they're not going to shut up unless you tell them to :P'

Ming says to Sandra, 'just pk enable them and set em aa'

Tobias says, 'spam?'

Milo says, 'we just don't have the authority to shut people up'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Milo.

Thallus throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Tobias says, 'You could just have the spam channel'

Tobias giggles.

Chaykin chuckles politely.

Heineken nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Tobias says, 'Karaoke would be cool...'

LadyAce giggles at Heineken.

Tobias giggles.

Chaykin says, 'how about we lower the stat reqs on sing, so people can get it out of their system in private?'

LadyAce says, 'if we had mud karaoke nights, would people come?'

Tobias says, 'I would'

Tobias says, 'I'm a bum.'

Tobias giggles.

LadyAce giggles.

Chaykin laughs with amusement.

Kaige says, 'they used to come to the comedy nights'

Ea! says to LadyAce, 'That sounds like a good compromise to me.'

Tobias says to Sandra, 'Party poo-er...exploder!'

Chaykin says, 'a little plastique would do the trick'

Milo says, 'can we ban the posting of bad poetry on boards too?'

Ming says, 'whatever happened to the grenades in ww2 area?'

Tobias says to Milo, 'I don't think that poetry series was bad.'

LadyAce says, 'It's funny, I understand the impulse to chat song lyrics now and then, but I don't understand the impulse to listen to them...I try to restrain myself'

Heineken says, 'that would be rather insulting to the poets...'

Tobias says to Milo, 'I liked the third one.'

Milo looks at Tobias and shudders.

Woe goes EEK! in distress.

Tobias shrugs philosophically.

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'hehe, they did? I didn't know anyone before me had done comedy nights, oops'

Chaykin says, 'I think someone should take a cue from Fionn and do a complete the sentence game every so often'

Chaykin says, 'those were fun'


Quickdraw Bug?

Chaykin says, '6 months ago someone mentioned at a Q&A that quickdraw fires the gun in your inv instead of the bow you're holding, and it's been mentioned a few times since, is this gonna be changed ever?'

Ea! says, 'It's on the todo list.'

Chaykin smiles happily.

Chaykin says, 'okie'

LadyAce says to Ea!, 'verrrrry smooth'

Chaykin says, 'yeah :P'

Chaykin says, 'the todo list, where trees are'

Ea! says to Chaykin, 'They've got their own todo list.'

Chaykin chuckles politely.


Weapon Variety/Choices

Ming says, 'why does hunter rose eat the blinding staff he has?'

Ming says, 'why cant it be a staff version of the iron dagger of nabsladfjlsadfj'

Milo says, 'the iron staff of nebuchalsdkha?'

Ming says, 'sure'

Chaykin giggles at Milo.

Ming says, 'call it whatever'

Chaykin says, 'the Iron Staff of Nephretiti'

Ming says, 'whatever its called now actually was a cool weapon name'

Ming says, 'i was really sad when he ate it'

Ming says, 'and dropped a worthless ring'

Milo says, 'it would be pointless to have clones of every weapon in each fighttype. The types are different. YOu have to choose'

Sandra says, 'hunter's staff was(and is) a blinding wormy strung'

Ming says, 'change the stats'

Ming says, 'i know i am asking why it cant be in game'

Ming says, 'why is the only blinding weapon dex is the underlying question'

Ming says, 'blinding flash does NOT count'

Sandra says, 'because its a piercing weapon, which is what he used at the time =P It'd be just another blinding dagger'

Ming says, 'well put one on another npc'

Chaykin says, 'I don't think we need more blinding weapons :P'

Chaykin says, 'there are one too many already'

Ming says, 'i dont think the viking warlord has enough stuff on him'

Sandra says, 'I'm pretty sure that con fighters would NOT want a con version of Merc's dagger'

Ming chuckles politely.

Ming says to Sandra, 'hehe sure they would'

Red1Guest says, 'how about a disorienting staff?'

Sandra says to Ming, 'you know the stats of his dagger, right?'

Chaykin says, 'never mind that one of my alts fought someone using the Iron Dagger the other day who had -100 AC'

Chaykin grumbles to Sandra.

Ming says, 'i had one'

Sandra says, 'imagine a con fighter, with already low hr, losing 5 more =P'

Ming says, '100con/dex'

Tobias says, 'why not use the dex weapon?'

Tobias giggles.

Ming says, 'itd be a trade off at least'

Ming nods his agreement with Tobias.

Ming says, 'say you dont have any pracs'

Ming says, 'and you dont have fensing'

Ming says, 'and sandra wont give you any pracs back hehe'

Ming sticks his tongue out at Sandra. =P

Sandra giggles.

Tobias giggles.

Heineken laughs with amusement.

Ming says, 'just a thought, need a blinding sword too'

Chaykin says, 'the dex one should be taken out imo :P'

Chaykin glares at nothing in particular.

Sandra says, 'well, it took an awful lot to get that one blinding weapon into the game. I dunno that we'll make another.'

Sandra had to bribe Kaige with goodies.

Heineken giggles.

Sandra giggles.

Ming says, 'major poison staff too!'

Sandra says, 'I would like to put in new con weapons, but I don't think blind is an option currently. Maybe some others that are more fun are down the road.'

Woe waves happily.

Milo says, 'vile green goo staff!'

Ming chuckles politely.

Thallus says, 'vile green goo staff? =p'

Chaykin personally would rather see effects resulting from new fight skills, than weapons affected with those effects.

Milo nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Ming says, 'gust o wind staff'

Thallus throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Heineken says, 'immolate small practice sword :P'

Thallus rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Ming says, 'waterydeath hammer'

Sandra says, 'well, I don't build skills, I build weapons =P Ok, so I do build skills, but I'm not so good at it'

Milo says, 'but a weapon with random effects might be fun. Sometimes it flamestrikes, sometimes it fades your opponent'

Tobias says, 'A staff that inspires everyone fighting would be interesting to mess with.'

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'you break them'

Sandra nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Sandra says, 'I do!'

Sandra says, 'that I do pretty well'

LadyAce smiles happily.

LadyAce says, 'ming's turn to ask questions'

Kaige says to Milo, 'not currently possible'

Ming says, 'why are the 15 kg swords always 15 max damage?'

Ming says, 'shouldnt they be 16 max damage?'

LadyAce says, 'it's up to the builder'

Kaige says, 'they can be but don't have to be.'

Chaykin says to Milo, 'and sometimes it heals them'

LadyAce says, 'the builder can make the *max* be weight + 1.'

Chaykin says, 'a Metronone weapon'

LadyAce says, 'same reason not all objects are +5'

Ming says to Ea!, 'what about the make staff staff?'

Ming says to LadyAce, 'what about the make staff staff?'

Thallus snickers softly.

Sandra giggles.

LadyAce says to Ming, 'I don't know the answer to that'

Ming throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!


HP/MA/MV & Old Gear

Switch is about ready to explode from the old eq. being pulled. *prepares to get in an argument*

LadyAce says to Switch, 'oof, I don't think it's a good idea to try to discuss things when you're mad.'

Switch says, 'I'm not as mad as I have been...'

Switch says, 'I was were I couldn't type coherently almost *giggle*'

Milo comforts Switch.

Switch says, 'but it is a VERY poor choice to do'

Switch says, 'who the hell came up with this in the first place?'

LadyAce says, 'hold on'

Ming says, 'what are you talking about?'

Chaykin says, 'bleh'

LadyAce says, 'You will not walk into this session and behave that way.'

Kaige says to Switch, 'have you read the past q&a logs on this subject?'

LadyAce says, 'clean up your attitude or come back when you can be civil.'

Chaykin says, 'this has been a really polite positive discussion so far, don't turn it into a bitchfest'

Thallus nods solemnly.

Switch says, '*bares teeth* *holds back*'

Thallus conjures a duck out of midair and throws it at Switch!

Switch says, 'ok, fellow legenders and all powerful imms, please take a moment to consider a very serious urge to reconsider this highly unwise decision to pull the old equipment'

LadyAce says to Switch, 'Did you get a chance to look at the log Kaige mentioned?'

Switch says, 'k....read, still doesn't change my opinion *will wait patiently though for headbutt topic to end*'


Headbutt and Bash

Ming says, 'waht about con getting to wake sooner on a stun/para'

Ming says, 'or a double stun heabdutt?'

Heineken frowns.

Chaykin says, 'waking sooner would be cool'

Ming faints.

Ea! says, 'I'm hesitant to make changes to con until we've finished the +hit changes.'

Ming nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'headbutt does seem to have a little higher risk/reward ratio than I would like'

Heineken says, 'um...is that a threat?!'

Milo says, 'I agree'

LadyAce says, 'I happen to be very fond of headbutt but solo it can be really dangerous'

Ming says, 'ok fair enough'

Ming says, 'what about a tumbled bash only having 2 rounds lag if hte person flees from max wimpy, check thier hp vs their max wimpy?'

LadyAce says, 'oof, can we play with the post-hp change system for a while first?'

LadyAce says, 'it's supposed to give a boost to high-con types'

Heineken says, 'headbutt IS a little strange...sometimes you take no damage during a fight, other times with the same mob you nearly die...'

Milo nods her agreement with Heineken.

Ming says to Heineken, 'thats because of hte lack of a clumsy type spell for +con'

Ming grumbles.

Ming says, 'old issue'

Ming says to Ea!, ': ) what about a tumbled bash only having 2 rounds lag if hte person flees from max wimpy, check thier hp vs their max wimpy?'

Milo says, 'well, back to headbutts. I headbutt a lot, and stagger myself a lot, so I often feel out of discussions on channels. Would it be possible to make it so you can see channels when stunned?'

Ea! says to Ming, 'I want to wait until after the current planned +hit changes are in before I worry about that sort of thing.'

Heineken nods his agreement with Milo.

Ming says, 'that would be cool, you can gtell stunned'

Ming nods his agreement with Ea!.

LadyAce says, 'well, the idea is that if you're stunned, you can't talk'

Milo says, 'no, but maybe you can listen'

LadyAce says, 'seems kinda odd to be chatting away with folks while you're knocked out and down for the count'

Heineken says, 'but is chat and info really "talking?"'

Ea! looks up into the sky and ponders.

Milo says, 'most of chat these days is ooc anyway'

Chaykin says, 'I kinda tend to look at chat and info as something removed from the logical physical state of your character'

LadyAce says to Heineken, 'we tend to treat it as some sort of 'talking' when it comes to deciding when to show it and when not to'

Heineken nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'chat can be used for a lot of things, but i'm not willing to embrace a fully ooc chat'

Ming says, 'whats gossip then?'

LadyAce says, 'gossip can be seen while sleeping...I think that's an awful nice concession and you guys should be happy with it'

Thallus nods solemnly.

Ming says, 'i keep it off eheh'

Thallus says, 'i am = )'

Milo says to LadyAce, 'except when people use gossip for karaoke'

LadyAce says, 'we refused to do it for ages and ages and ages and still aren't necessarily thrilled with it :P take your compromise and be merry! :)'

Heineken says, 'OK, everone chat on gossip now :)'

Chaykin giggles at Milo.

Chaykin says, 'yeah then it's not so nice at all'

Cerberus goes EEK! in distress.


Changing Eq in Playerfiles

LadyAce says to Switch, 'ok, it's your turn, and I already know that you're upset about the eq pull, so I wanna turn this around a bit.'

LadyAce says, 'and ask you a question.'

Switch says, 'go ahead...'

LadyAce says, 'Do you think an eq pull from playerfiles is wrong in all cases, or just this one? Why or why not?'

Chaykin says, 'May I give my own answer to that when Switch is done?'

LadyAce says, 'sure :)'

Ming says, 'me to'

Cerberus says, 'me too'

Switch says, 'in all cases...people have worked for their eq. and don't deserve to have it taken away just cause others are new to the game'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think that 'newbies' are the only argument for eq pulling'

LadyAce says, 'there are 2 other cases'

Milo says, 'it won't be taken away. Just changed'

LadyAce says, 'one is when the item is just buggy and ridiculous'

Switch says, 'you try to create balance, but in that 'quest' for balance, you are sacrificing fairness'

Ming rolls his eyes heavenward.

Heineken says, 'I thought they were CREATING fairness...'

Kaige says, 'fairness is a very um... subjective word'

LadyAce says, 'and the last one would be in cases where it will erode balance beyond what we can compensate for with code'

LadyAce says, 'we're operating under the 3rd case'

Sandra says, 'I can't possibly see how putting everyone on the same playing ground is sacrificying fairness.'

Switch says, 'fairness being taking away something from someone that paid big money for it is CREATING fairness? I think not'

LadyAce says, 'We won't just delete the item'

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'because you're not necessarily doing that'

Switch says, 'taking away the old eq. from older players is what makes it unfair'

LadyAce says, 'we'll just make it the same as the new ones.'

Switch says, 'why not just KEEP all the old eq. like it is and then everyone has a chance to be better'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Ming says to Switch, 'its selfishness plain and simple'

Switch says, 'just make the mobs harder or something....'

Milo will miss her horseshoe.

Chaykin hugs Milo.

LadyAce says, 'why is unfair to make the eq the same for all? It's only convenience for us that we save eq in playerfiles rather than simply referencing a number where it'd all change instantly'

Heineken says, 'no, only oldbies who haven't DT'd have a chance to be better :P'

Switch says, 'so what is riembursement for loosing the old eq? people paid BIG money to get those after the new types went in'

Kaige says, 'The reason for the items changing in the first place is to place more emphasis on the stats than on a flat bonus item that requires less planning and less potential trade off's made to incorporate it.'

Ming says to Switch, 'what if it was looted and junked?'

Ming shrugs philosophically.

Sandra says to Switch, 'lemme ask you something'

LadyAce says, 'when the new types went in, we said right then that the old stuff was going away'

Sandra says to Switch, 'You are aware that its only hp/ma/mv eq that's changing, right?'

Ming nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Milo says, 'only those people paid big who didn't have the foresight to expect it would be changed someday'

Switch says, 'bah...dad is pissed..I will be back later to finish'

Chaykin says, 'okie my turn'

Ming nods his agreement with Chaykin.

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Sandra bets money that she's not.

LadyAce says, 'other people said they had answers to my questions'

Chaykin says, 'I disagree with changing eq in pfiles in all cases...conditionally. for two reasons'

Chaykin says, 'one, some of these balance issues that the eq changes seek to address are simply never going to be totally resolved until there are new fight skills and more aspects of trees are in. So I don't see what's the hurry to remove the stuff'

Kaige whispers quietly to Chaykin.

Milo wishes for listen.

Kaige said, "so we feel comfortable putting in those new skills?"

Chaykin says, 'two, we got this eq by playing the game according to the guidelines set forth by the immortals, who put it in the game in the first place. to have to take time out and redo our eq sets, which some of us will have to do, is a punishment'

Chaykin says, 'for doing no more than take what was offered'

Chaykin says, 'BUT'

Chaykin says, 'I am willing to live the changes IF I feel confident that the rest of the changes that are necessary to even things out a bit are coming relatively soon'

Heineken says, 'but a character who has sacrificed a lot to get 100 con should expect to have more hp than other characters with 50 con, right? Otherwise con means nothing.'

LadyAce says, 'I think we dislike doing it for those reasons, among others...but I think we leave it in our toolchest because reality bites :('

Ming says, '5 kg 10 damage oars are gone now'

Chaykin says, 'in other words...'

LadyAce says, 'we have to run the game in the short, middle, and far term...we have too diverse a playerbase to sell them on dreamhouses for too long a time.'

Chaykin says, 'the hp and dam changes are only part of the story. so unless there are more changes coming soon, I don't see what the big rush is to get all this stuff out of the game and out of pfiles'

Chaykin says, 'that's my answer'

Ming says, 'at some point you have to accept that the inbalance out weighs the cost or changing p-files - in this case it DOES imo'

LadyAce says, 'i think we have the sense that if we can get all this stuff off the table, we can go back to those longer term changes'

Cerberus says, 'I agree with what chaykin says, but I'd like to consider the vileness of re-doing eq lists for every character due to pfile changes'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Cerberus.

Cerberus shudders.

Chaykin says, 'that's just it'

Ming says, '2 dex is all you going to lose'

Ming says, 'god get over it'

Sandra nods her agreement with Ming.

Chaykin says to Ming, 'two of my chars will lose 6 mind'

Cerberus says, 'this time'

LadyAce says, 'a lot of those items do have pretty drop-in-and-go alternates'

Sandra raises her eyebrow at Chaykin.

Red1Guest says, '2 dex is alot when your working stats with a mage'

Ming says, 'they arent changing HERNES'

Kaige says to Cerberus, 'every character relies on 9 items in the game?'

Ming nods his agreement with Red1Guest.

Ea! says, 'Right now, the list of items that's getting changed is only 9 items long'

Chaykin says, 'there's something by LadyAce on the news board suggesting that old dam gear is being changed in pfiles'

Sandra says, 'ONLY hp/ma/mv eq is changing. In fact, all of the hp eq that is changing, has changed already.'

LadyAce says, 'if you discover eq set holes as you work with your items, please do suggest it'

LadyAce says, 'ACK'

LadyAce says, 'please tell me where you got that impression'

Cerberus says, 'but you can't say this will be the only time pfile eq is changed, can you?'

Ming says to Sandra, 'if it were up to me i would have changed it more, 10 hp per stat point'

LadyAce says, 'I will erase it this moment.'

LadyAce tugs on Chaykin's sleeve imploringly.

Chaykin says, 'one of your appends on the news board, I forget which'

LadyAce says, 'Please.'

Ea! says, 'There might be one or two that we've missed, so don't quote me on "9", but.'

Ming says, 'hell leggings didnt change at all'

Sandra says to Cerberus, 'no, we can't. But we can say that this is only the 2nd, maybe 3rd, time since teh game has opened that we've had to do something like this.'

Chaykin says, 'it's an apprend to that discussion-esque thread on there'

LadyAce looks at the news board.

Cerberus nods solemnly.

LadyAce looks at the news board.

LadyAce reads message #27 on the news board.

Sandra thinks that's a really small number, considering.

LadyAce reads append #8 of message #27 on the news board.

Kaige says to Cerberus, 'nope, but we're also taking steps to minimize the possibility in the future. and you should be happy that we've never playerwiped since we opened unlike some muds which do it regular in the name of "balance"'

LadyAce reads append #9 of message #27 on the news board.

Cerberus would love a playerwipe.

Ming nods his agreement with Kaige.

Ming goes EEK! at Cerberus in distress - isn't Cerberus an awful person for teasing?

Cerberus says to Kaige, 'not much of a selling point for me'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'I don't see it, can you look?'

LadyAce looks at the news board.

Chaykin says, 'and anyway, to be totally honest, it's not just about me and my 6 mind. It's about any people besides me who will have to do eq changes, when all they did is get eq already in the game'

Sandra says, 'ugh, I'd have to get 16 chars to 50 again =P'

Chaykin looks at the news board.

Chaykin reads message #27 on the news board.

Chaykin reads append #8 of message #27 on the news board.

Chaykin says, '27 8'

Cerberus says to Sandra, 'but think, you'd be one of the only level 50s around for a while too :)'

Sandra says to Chaykin, 'well, no worries, you're not losing 6 mond'

LadyAce says, 'because I say players say not removing the dam gear was a mistake??'

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'but it's not just about me, I just disagree with it on principle'

Ming says to LadyAce, 'prob was but wahts done is done at this point'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'you don't understand, I get accused of ruining people's lives over things like this :P'

Ming shrugs philosophically.

Chaykin says, 'you said this time you're in a position where you have to pull the gear. I got the impression that means you're pulling dam stuff this time'

Kaige says, 'I think it's the "we've learned our lesson and have to pull the gear." part'

Chaykin hugs LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'oh god'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'I'm not saying anything close to that, and those people need to take a swim'

Chaykin comforts LadyAce.

Cerberus giggles.

Cerberus says to LadyAce, 'it was a bit unclear'

LadyAce says, 'okie no more posts to boards from me for the week'

Cerberus throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

LadyAce freaks out.

Sandra giggles.

Sandra hugs LadyAce.

Milo tickles LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'it's not funny.'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'ack, don't feel that way :('

Chaykin hangs his head.

LadyAce says, 'look, I need to go.'

LadyAce waves happily.

LadyAce slowly fades into thin air.

Chaykin sighs loudly.

Chaykin says, 'jeez, that totally wasn't what I meant at all, I just misunderstood her'

Ming nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Cerberus nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Kaige comforts Chaykin.

Chaykin sniffs sadly.

Cerberus says to Chaykin, 'as soon as I read that I thought it said the same thing you did'

Milo says to Chaykin, 'now you've done it. She's having a nervous breakdown and it's your fault'

Milo searches for some St. John's wort.

Cerberus says, 'she must have missed a "not" or something'

Kaige says, 'no.. It meant that we learned our lesson and would make the change this time,. but doesn't say anything about going back and making corrections to past mistakes'

Chaykin says to Kaige, 'it was just a misunderstanding...'

Chaykin sighs loudly.

Kaige nods her agreement with Chaykin.


Items Changing Posted

Kaige says, 'The items changing have been posted on the welcome board since last week and I believe sandra mentioned that only one or two more were expected to change'

Ming says to Kaige, 'whats left to change?'

Ming looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kaige says to Cerberus, 'open, we've just had lots of questions about the same stuff'

Cerberus nods solemnly.

Conspiracy says to Ming, 'cheetah leggings.'

Ming says, 'they are in spec'

Ming says, '-20 mana'

Kaige says to Ming, 'two items, they'll be posted tomororow.'

Conspiracy looks up into the sky and ponders.

Conspiracy says, 'hmm, true.'

Ming says, 'i think'

Ming throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Ming says, 'prob scalp'

Cerberus says, 'claw is ok too then?'

Ming says, 'maybe the 50 mana ring'

Ming says, 'new amethyst needs to go, but thats just my 2 gold pieces'

Sandra says, 'all of the +hp eq that's changing, has been changed already, and is in.'

Cerberus nods his agreement with Ming.

Conspiracy says, 'what is the spec of hp to stat point?'

Ming nods his agreement with Conspiracy.

Ming says, 'good question'

Kaige says to Conspiracy, 'it's more complicated that just that'

Ming says, 'we are bright, explain it'

Conspiracy says to Ming, 'speak for yourself :p'

Ming comforts Conspiracy.

Cerberus throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Kaige says, 'basically you take all the bonuses an item has and weigh them against the penalties it has... it's not just +stats and +hp ma mv'

Ming says, 'someone give COns some +mind gear'

Conspiracy nods his agreement with Kaige.

Cerberus says, 'also material, rent, etc?'

Conspiracy says, 'so it's not quite like dam and hit gear.'

Sandra nods her agreement with Conspiracy.

Kaige says, 'no so much material rent or ac... but things like does it give you special affects, does it give hit and dam, does it cast spells'

Ming says, 'OH'


See invis Spectacles Clone?

Ming says, 'the see invis specs from Hell are gone'

Sandra shakes her head.

Ming says, 'they did not get put back in to my knowledge?'

Sandra says, 'they were replaced'

Cerberus says, 'I saw some the other day laying around'

Ming tugs on Sandra's sleeve imploringly.

Conspiracy says, 'with what? :p'

Ming says, 'gimme hint'

Camaris raises an eyebrow inquiringly.

Ming says, 'they have new name?'

Sandra says to Ming, 'they're somewhere in this mud =P'

Kaige says, 'something similar'

Camaris says, 'what have i missed?'

Kaige giggles.

Ming says, 'there are specs from salem with stats but the yold'

Conspiracy nods his agreement with Ming.

Sandra says, 'those specs have been there since salem went in'

Ming says, 'cool ill have to look'

Conspiracy says to Ming, 'that was my first idea too ;)'

Ming says to Sandra, 'wish they were +5 net i really like em'

Ming throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Sandra giggles.

Milo says, 'see invis should be fairie dust'


Decent Staff?

Conspiracy says, 'are you guys completely against a decent staff with a special?'

Ming says, 'asked and answered'

Conspiracy says, '5 stat.'

Ming says, 'you missed it hehe'

Conspiracy says, 'blah.'

Cerberus says to Conspiracy, 'skullstaff'

Ming says, 'more staves in teh works'

Conspiracy says, 'just got off a 30 hour shift.'

Ming says, 'skullstaff is 2 con last i knew'

Cerberus says, 'decent staff with a special'

Ming says, 'and its 5kg'

Ming says, 'ewww'

Conspiracy says, 'hate to tell ya, skull staff sucks.'

Red1Guest nods his agreement with Conspiracy.

Ming nods his agreement with Conspiracy.

Conspiracy says, 'imo.'

Ming says, 'kordans bat'

Ming says, 'i keep saying it'

Conspiracy says, 'and the rent, good god.'

Ming looks up into the sky and ponders.

Cerberus says, 'its still a q5 staff, which there aren't a lot of'

Heineken nods his agreement with Cerberus.

Conspiracy says to Cerberus, 'look at avg dam on it.'

Cerberus says, 'a staff with disorientate might be interesting'

Sandra says, 'never =P'

Cerberus says, 'just a thought'

Conspiracy says, 'weaken would be cool on a staff.'

Ming says, 'how about a staff with effect doppel?'

Heineken says, '*stun* *disorient* *giggle* that would be insane!'

Ming says, 'or a staff that casts armor on the wielder'

Kaige says, 'heh, it makes a doppel of who it hits?'

Kaige snickers softly.

Conspiracy goes EEK! at Kaige in distress - isn't Kaige an awful person for teasing?

Ming says, 'no of the wielder : )'

Sandra giggles.

Camaris chuckles politely.

Kaige says, 'that'd be .. umm.. . counterproductive?'

Ming says, 'or a weapon that casts see invis'

Kaige says to Ming, 'well, then you're taking coding time and it gets REAL unlikely'

Ming says, 'that would ROCK'

Ming says, 'o nthe wielder of course'

Ming says to Kaige, 'like the skyblade'

Camaris says, 'my alt always did like the enormuous whiffle bat's special'

Ming says, 'tis already coded'

Kaige says, 'which is special coded'

Camaris chuckles politely.

Ming says, 'copy it'


New Amethyst Ring & Spelltools & Wands

Conspiracy says, 'umm, here goes one you'll hate, the god damn amethyst ring, any changes planned for it?'

Ming says, 'they went in today'

Ming pats Conspiracy on the head.

Milo says, 'the lag should help'

Sandra says, 'spelltools are getting a lag put on them'

Conspiracy looks up into the sky and ponders.

Conspiracy says, 'wow, something I bitched about worked.'

Kaige says, 'I haven't heard any plans from Charity on it... but what she said about spelltools and lag'

Conspiracy cheers for himself since no one else has.

Sandra shakes her head.

Heineken laughs with amusement.

Ming says, 'the lag on wands been needed forever'

Sandra says, 'its not wands'

Sandra says, 'wands and spelltools are completely different'

Ming says, 'oh didnt know'

Ming says, 'so you can still insta spam wands?'

Sandra nods solemnly.

Cerberus has lost link.

Ming says, 'heres my vote to add a lag to those'


More See_Dark Items?

Cerberus says, 'any plans to add more items with the see_dark ability? Its really cool'

Conspiracy says, 'see_dark?'

Sandra says, 'none currently'

Cerberus nods his agreement with Conspiracy.

Conspiracy says, 'infravision?'

Cerberus shakes his head.

Camaris chuckles politely.

Conspiracy is completely boggled.

Cerberus says, 'consider it as at lighting the room for only you'

Camaris chuckles politely.

Conspiracy says, 'hmm, interesting.'

Kaige says, 'I'd say it'd be up to the builders if they have a place for items like that'

Cerberus says, 'it would be interesting if paired with a darkness type spell'

Ming says, 'thre is a darkness spell it s not imped'

Cerberus says, 'something that puts a cloud of darkness over the target for a few ticks'

Conspiracy says, 'could be fun in pk against those who use orbs.'

Kaige says, 'which are waiting on timed room affects and light level improvements'

Conspiracy says, 'I think orbs are illusions, right? :p'

Kaige shakes her head.

Conspiracy says, 'blah, they should be then :p'

Kaige says, 'they'd go poof with dispel illusion if they were'

Conspiracy says, 'yeah, that's the idea ;)'

Kaige chuckles politely at Conspiracy's feeble witticism.

Cerberus grins evilly.

Kaige points at Camaris.

Cerberus says, 'that would add some interesting tactics'

Conspiracy nods his agreement with Cerberus.


How are attacks figured?

Camaris says, 'in combat is my attack compared to the ac or dex or my enemy?'

Cerberus says, 'go ahead, follow me into this maze. *cackle*'

Ming says to Camaris, 'lots of things depends on your weapon and skills'

Camaris says, 'well, if dex is in the sc, then thats another dex check too many'

Camaris shrugs helplessly.

Camaris says, 'ac..'

Camaris says, 'i cant type'

Camaris shrugs helplessly.

Ming says, 'ac is armor with a dex modifier and level modifier'

Kaige says to Camaris, 'are you talking just normal attack round or skills?'

Camaris says, 'not sure..thats what im trying to figure out'

Camaris says, 'still new to all this'

Camaris chuckles politely.

Kaige looks up into the sky and ponders.

Ming says, 'first you do an attack roll to see if you hit based on your dex/skills/hitroll'

Camaris says, 'mostly regular attacks'

Cerberus says to Camaris, 'fight skills like kick, choke, etc check all different things'

Ming says, 'then it goes against the persons ac, dodge, parry'

Kaige says to Ming, 'well dex isn't checkd that explicitly'

Ming says, 'and level'

Camaris says, 'so too many dex checks'

Kaige says, 'and I haven't looked at it for a while, but that doesn't sound like the right order to me either'

Camaris chuckles politely.

Ming says, 'i made up the order'

Kaige chuckles politely.

Legolas says, 'everyone is talking about dex checks in defense... i think str is missing a check on the offensive side =P'

Ming nods his agreement with Legolas.

Ming laughs with amusement.

Camaris says, 'i just want to be sure of what happens so i dont make a fool of myself if i ever put up a post'

Heineken nods his agreement with Legolas.

Ming says, 'to be re-evaluated after hp changes'

Camaris chuckles politely.

Legolas says, 'because really... 6/7 rounds i'm hitting the same as some dude with a katar'

Legolas says, 'thats not right'

Kaige says, 'mostly regular weapon attacks don't do a straight stat vs stat comparison, but there are a lot of checks that filter back, which is why Ea has said we need to look at them'

Ming says to Legolas, 'the prob is parry and dodge, str fighters only get 5 swings say'

LadyAce says to Camaris, 'I think if you spend time playing and looking at damage with different weapon types, you'll know about as much as any of us'

Camaris says, 'im not sure it did, but i can ask around more with the chars on the game too...'

Ea! says to Kaige, 'Actually, it was Rufus's insight originally.'

Ming says, 'if htey parry 1 and dodge 1, your sol'

Ming says, 'where as a katar gets 9, so still have 7 landing'

Legolas says, 'ahhh... that makes sense'

Cerberus says, 'thats always been the disadvantage of using a heavy weapon with low attacks though'

Kaige says to Ea!, 'yeah but you're the one who's been saying it at Q&A lately. =)'

Ming says, 'should be str weapons that are 8kg 10 dam etc'

Legolas says, 'so mobs are doging and parrying which is making my hitting suck?'

Ming says, 'some mobs do'

LadyAce says, 'might be fun to make a str skill which lets you get a bonus swing with a fixed maxdam, like the SEC_ATTACK items but from a skill'

Ming says to Legolas, 'best mobs to test damage on are the hippos in savana'

Ming says, 'they have 0 ac and 0 skills'

Legolas says, 'str needs a skill like backstab - no getting around it'

Cerberus says, 'generally the more attacks you get with a weapon, the more consistant your damage is going to be'

LadyAce says, 'idea being even if they dodge your sword swings, you smack them with the flat of the blade, or whatnot'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Cerberus.

Legolas says, 'we need something that does 60 damage with a chance for para'

Camaris says, 'or a slay type thing like lugh likes to do'

Ming says to Cerberus, 'seems to peek at 6-8kg'

Milo says, 'get them on the backswing'

LadyAce says, 'Ambush! :)'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Milo.

Ming says, '5 kg too weak'

Camaris chuckles politely.

LadyAce winks suggestively at Sandra.

Sandra says, 'oh! that's what I was doing'

Cerberus says, 'what if bash did 40 damage instead of 10?'

Camaris pats a fork-tongued sword affectionately.

LadyAce says to Sandra, 'fiiiiinish it'

Sandra says to LadyAce, 'thanks!'

Sandra giggles.

Sandra says to LadyAce, 'I have to start it all over coz I forgot to back up what I had done =('

Camaris waves happily.

LadyAce says to Sandra, 'cvs....cvs....cvs....'

Ea! says, 'again, I'm going to wait on tweaking balance things until the hp/ma/mv changes are all in.'

LadyAce says to Ea!, 'wait longer than that, even!'

Cerberus says to Ea!, 'when are those planned?'

LadyAce says, 'we're still twiddling with timelines'

Ea! says to Cerberus, 'It's in committee.'

Ming says to Ea!, 'are you re-coding the hp bonus from con stat?'

Cerberus says, 'just guess... years, months or days?'

Ming says, 'few weeks i think'

Ea! says, 'We're fiddling with the hp formula, that's all I'm saying until it's in.'

Ming smiles happily.

Ea! says, 'Also the mana/move formula.'

Ea! says, 'Actually, that's all I'll say even after it is in.'

Ming says, 'mv should be based on dex'

Ming says, 'or sum dex+con'

Legolas says, 'oh yes... another dex based something'

Cerberus says to Ming, 'avg of dex and con makes more sense'

Legolas says, 'thats all we need'

Ming says, 'its just mv'

Ming says, 'mind-mana con-hp ???-mv'

Legolas says, 'yeah right... so the snipers can backstab - then run away for a tick'

Cerberus never has enough move unless hes flying.

LadyAce smiles at Conspiracy.

Heineken says, 'mv should be based on a character's endurance, which is con :P'

Legolas says, 'with tons of mv'

Kaige giggles.

Ming says to Legolas, 'snipers alreayd have the rent for +fly items'

Ming says to Legolas, 'and 80 con'


Hitting harder when sitting?

Conspiracy says, 'I've noticed I seem to hit harder when sitting, is that a bug? I see on on str chars ALOT.'

Conspiracy says, 'missed headbutt, etc..'

Legolas says, 'i have an idea... maybe we should just give dex characters the slay command... finish the job'

Ming snickers softly.

Heineken chuckles politely.

Ming says, 'used to be worse'

LadyAce says, 'we've worked too hard on these changes, don't be a meanie.'

Ming says, 'bash kick and headbutt used to be dex'

LadyAce pokes Legolas in the ribs.

Ming says, 'and were the only skills'

Heineken goes EEK! in distress.

Legolas says, 'at least when hit/dam was good - str hit hard too'

Ming says to Legolas, 'that was before all this parry stuff too, which affects heavy weapons more'

Heineken throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Ming says, 'how about a 5 stat 17kg sword that is un-parriable?'

Milo says, 'parry and dodge aren't that big a deal'

Ming says, 'fight a 100 dex perc snpier from london'

Conspiracy says, 'anyone have a clue what I'm talking about?'

LadyAce says, 'I spose we could check that bit of the code for bugs'

LadyAce nudges Ea!.

Milo says, '100 dex people should be able to avoid most hits. The problem is that they are also dishing out the damage'

Cerberus says to Conspiracy, 'I've never noticed it working that way'

Conspiracy says to LadyAce, 'guess he ignores me by default.'

Cerberus says to Conspiracy, 'but I haven't been looking either'

Ming says, 'i dont hit harder sitting'

Ming says, 'bash some mobs you'll see'

Conspiracy says to LadyAce, 'maybe I should tell poetry to post it.'

Heineken says, 'I get hit harder sitting :P'

Legolas says, 'i dont hit hard... oh - unless i draw a katar that is'

Kaige nods her agreement with Heineken.

Kaige says, 'that's to be expected'

Ming comforts Legolas.

LadyAce says to Conspiracy, 'like, doing more dam, or not getting parried as often, or?'

Conspiracy says, 'like, ripping or decimating instead of pulverizing.'

Ea! says, 'I've heard people say that they hit better while sitting, but when we've looked at the actual numbers, it hasn't played out.'

Ming nods his agreement with Ea!.

Ming says, 'ya my str fighter hits harder when bashes land'

Cerberus says, 'is there really a headbutt switch somewhere? :)'

Ming says, 'too bad you can tumble 40% of bashes'

Ming says, 'in pk'

LadyAce says, 'we could go test it on a testmud pretty easily, especially if you think you can reproduce it'

Conspiracy says to Ming, 'heh, it's worse with headbutt, trust me.'

LadyAce says, 'make a mob report over and over to get results back, or something'

Ming says, 'load up a 100 dex 100 perc sniper and test it'

Ming says, 'against 100 con 100 dex char'

Conspiracy says, 'it's something I've noticed, I don't see how someone car rip or damcap sitting on thier ass.'

Legolas says, 'while you're at it... make a character with 20hit/20 dam attack a mob - once using a dex weapon - and once using a str weapon'

Conspiracy says, 'it's not the best fighting stance and all.'

Conspiracy shrugs philosophically.

Legolas says, 'both with expert skills'

Ming says to Conspiracy, 'with your ac>'

Ming says, 'anyone can rip hehe'

Legolas says, 'be sure to include a backstab with the dex weapon... and kick too'

Ea! says, 'If I remember right, and I might not be, since it's been a while, but I *think* your position only effects your chance to hit, not your damage.'

Legolas says, 'then bash - and kick with str'

Conspiracy says to Ming, 'not talking against me.'

Ming says, 'oh'

Red1Guest says, 'against barabas while he was using a gauche my alt was pulverizing and obliterating and when i missed a bash i decimated then ripped while sitting'

Conspiracy says to Ea!, 'that'd make sense then.'

Ea! says, 'If that's true, and you're using a heavy weapon, you're likely to do a fair amount of damage when you land hits regardless of position.'

LadyAce says, 'I wouldn't rely too much on those messages'

Ming says, 'sitting only effects damage taken?'

Heineken says, 'but you hit less, resulting in less total damage then, right?'

Ming says to LadyAce, 'its all we have'

Ea! says, 'Don't quote me on it, as I may well be wrong.'

LadyAce says, 'I'd look more on how much the messages like 'many nasty wounds' and 'few bruises' change, and how many rounds a fight takes'

Conspiracy says to LadyAce, 'they seem pretty reliable to me.'

Ea! says to Heineken, 'Right, but if you're comparing the damage messages you see when you hit...'

Ming says, 'in mobkill the decimate range is huge'

Ming says, 'too big to tell really'

LadyAce says, 'or fight a friend and report alot. log it then go thru and see how it went'

Conspiracy says to Ming, 'it's not that big in pk.'

Ming looks up into the sky and ponders.

Heineken says, 'right, dam messages only mean something if you consider how often you hit...'

Ming says, 'well who cares then'

Ming giggles.

LadyAce says to Conspiracy, 'well, but we went in and made 'em less reliable so I'm wary of balance arguments based on them.....'

Ming says to LadyAce, 'why would you do that?'

Kaige says to Ea!, 'you thinking of dam = position_damage_mod(victim, dam);'

Ea! says to Kaige, 'That's the victim's position, not the attackers -- I *think* attackers is only paid attention to in the to-hit chance.'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

Kaige says, 'yeah'

Kaige says, 'I think so too...'

Conspiracy says to LadyAce, 'anyway you look at it, a rip is near maximum damage.'

Conspiracy says, 'anyway, move on, please.'

LadyAce says to Ming, 'because we try not to make this a 'numbers' game, and try not to feed too much obsession on those numbers'

Conspiracy says to LadyAce, 'it's a text and numbers game, that's impossible to change. :p'

Cerberus says to LadyAce, 'its allready a numbers game'

LadyAce says to Ming, 'we might as well put 'you do 30 hp of damage' 'your opponent does 25 hp damage to you'...how flat and dull'

Milo says, 'it is more fun if you don't obsess over numbers'

LadyAce says, 'it could certainly be much more of a numbers game :P'

Ming says to LadyAce, 'well hmm'

Ming says, 'i wouldnt mind'

Kaige says, 'eeeewwwwwwww.w'

Kaige wrinkles her nose distastefully.

LadyAce says, 'we could publish all the formulas for the skills, too'

Conspiracy says to LadyAce, 'or make it an option for those who like that stuff.'

Cerberus says, 'its better where it is now I think'

Ming cheers for LadyAce - huzzah!

Ming says, 'yes! finally you come around!'

LadyAce says, 'No :P'

Red1Guest says, 'in pkill you have to look at how much damage you doing and how much your receiving in order to determine when to flee or when to tank it out and inspire the other person'

Conspiracy nods his agreement with Red1Guest.

LadyAce says, 'I'd rather see that based on more than just 'whip out my calculator and figure out all the angles''

Cerberus says, 'I like the fact you can't know EXACTLY how much damage you have done. Not easily at least.'

Kaige says to LadyAce, 'or let my client do that for me'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

LadyAce says, 'people who *really* want to play that way can work hard for it :P'


Group Level Limits?

Heineken says, 'this will probably be unpopular but...I don't like that lowbies can group with high level chars and get tons of exp wihtout taking part in combat.'

Camaris chuckles politely.

Ming says, 'thats muds for ya'

Ming says, 'group game'

Cerberus says, 'its not really that effective anymore'

LadyAce says, 'I think there has to be a 'within reason' to it'

LadyAce says, 'it's part of what motivated the PD/SL changes though'

Ming says, 'its a lot bettre than it used to be'

Cerberus nods his agreement with Ming.

Ming says, 'well better in some peoples opionsions'

LadyAce says, 'I think it's nice to give a little helping hand to someone younger than you'

Huginn says to Heineken, 'in addition, certain types of characters can contribute at low levels .. such as healers'

Milo says, 'it is often fun for true newbies to group with high levels. they get to see what they may become'

Ming nods his agreement with Huginn.

LadyAce says, 'and sometimes the xp holes can be such a drag'

Camaris says, 'my newbie/lowbie tries to be helpful...bandaging..waking...cheering if all else fails'

Ming says, 'ya this mud is HARSH on a true newbie'

Heineken says, 'but exp should be a measure of YOUR exp, IMHO, rather that the abilities of your friends..'

LadyAce says, 'but I think people have more fun if they do contribute in some way'

Kaige says to Heineken, 'have you ever played aon a mud that's filled with level limits all over the place?'

Kaige says, 'If you log into a game with your friends, and you all start out together but your friends have more free time than you....'

Kaige says, 'they'll pull ahead in levels.. then the next time you log in, you can't group with them, use stuff they've gotten for you and you feel left out.. THAT is just plain BAD MULTIPLAYER game design'

Conspiracy says to Ming, 'very harsh'

Ming says, 'dts, over rent, no idea where to lean skills words'

Camaris nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Cerberus says to Ming, 'ALL muds are harsh on true newbies as far as I know'

Ming says, 'ya'

Ming says, 'but this one is more custom'

Ming says, 'anyone can log in and get around midguard'

Ming snickers softly.

Red1Guest says to Cerberus, 'AoW is not harsh on true newbies'

Cerberus says to Ming, 'but who wants to?'

Heineken says, 'yeah, contributing in some way should allow some benefit to lowbies, but just total leeching is ridiculous.'

LadyAce says, 'I think we try to strike a good balance, with the xp split formulas and giving lower level players a purpose'

Milo says, 'I've played on muds where there aren't enough people to group with. That was bad'

Camaris nods solemnly.

Kaige nods her agreement with Milo.

Ming says to Milo, 'isnt that a MOO'

Kaige says to Milo, 'I've seens ones like that that try to have player run economies too'

Cerberus says, 'I think its the best its ever been, right now. As far as the lack of powerlevelling goes'

Ming says, 'everquest has a true player run economy'

LadyAce says to Heineken, 'that's somewhat up to a higher-level person, to not want lots of people dangling off their coattails'

Kaige says, 'yeah on ebay'

Ming laughs with amusement.

Kaige snorts derisively.

Heineken nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Ming says, 'ya make some real bucks'

Ming says, 'p lvl a cleric to 49, sell for 600 dollars'

Heineken says, 'OK, just my two cents worth :)'

Conspiracy says, 'I honestly don't see a prob with powerleveling, if you don't like it, don't do it.'

Conspiracy shrugs helplessly.

LadyAce says, 'My brother visited a mud which is free, but STILL has regular character-selling'

LadyAce says, 'they also have 100 levels and 5 generations of remorting'

Heineken says, 'but if other people do it it diminishes the prestige of being high level.'

Kaige shudders.

LadyAce says, 'I can't imagine paying money for a char like that...'

Conspiracy says to Heineken, 'what prestige?'

Milo says, 'speaking of economy, I think some of the money quests need to be adjusted for inflation'

Ming says, 'ya big time'

Ming says, 'and auto put it in your bank'

LadyAce says, 'they allow multiplaying so some people actually use it as a job to make money, levelling tons of chars all at once'

Ming says, 'should be like 50k for some'

LadyAce says to Milo, 'which ones are you thinkin?'

Ming says to LadyAce, 'buddy of mine made over 2 grand in 4 months of seeling everquest platinum on ebay'

Ea! says, 'Legend's had deflation, not inflation.'

Milo says to LadyAce, 'my alt just did the Lincoln drought one, and got a measly 250 coins.'

LadyAce says, 'I should add some money quests'

Camaris nods solemnly.

Milo says, 'that was hardly worth the time'

Ming says, 'robins head should give like 10k'

Kaige says, 'hey.. that parish isn't rich with the sheriff taxing everyone to death'

Camaris chuckles politely.

Ming says, 'define rich'

Ming says, 'rich = 1mil gold'

Kaige says, '10k'

Kaige giggles.

Heineken says, 'I'm just saying that exp points should be a reflection of a character's actual experience, that's all.'

Milo says, 'Will should be rich with all I've given him'

Ming says, 'so 2 sidhes worth 9k in items is ok?'

Kaige says, 'ok.. then I can up the rate Will charges too?'

Heineken chuckles politely.

Huginn says to Milo, 'he has a drinking problem'

Milo goes EEK! at Kaige in distress - isn't Kaige an awful person for teasing?

Milo says to Huginn, 'that explains the drought'

Camaris says, 'been times will charged me once for the day...times where he charged me EVERY time i walked by'

LadyAce says, 'I wish Will kept the money'

Camaris sighs loudly.

LadyAce says, 'would be fun to kill him for it'

LadyAce says, 'or he walked to the inn and made deposits'

Camaris nods solemnly.

Ming says, 'now everyone just kills the orkney merchant 1 per day'

Heineken says, 'heh, I was disappointed when I first killed Will and he was broke :) he should have a few coins, at least.'

Ming says, 'would be nie if mobs respawned with same stuff for sale'

LadyAce says, 'took a lass out for a stroll by the beach once in a while, let the other foresters guard the durn crossroad once in a while....'

Conspiracy says, 'he's a pain to kill, too.'

Kaige says, 'he sends it off to where it's needed'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

LadyAce giggles.

LadyAce says, 'ok, so...who else had questions?'

Ming says, 'what about making will o green hard to kill and giving him like all the money he has colected?'

Kaige says, 'he'd have to be hard to kill first'

Kaige giggles.

Ming says, 'ya make him hard'

Heineken gasps in astonishment.

Kaige says, 'and people still kill richard'

Ming says, 'and give him a q5 staff'

Ming ducks to the ground.

LadyAce says, 'it used to be a major goal of mine to be tough enough to kill him. Took til like lev 45 and that was with a friend'

Conspiracy says to Kaige, 'I kill richard cuz of his act.'

Reptilian says, 'bleh'

Reptilian sits down on the ground.

LadyAce says to Cerberus, 'your turn.'

Reptilian sulks in the corner.

Cerberus says, 'speaking of economies. Any thoughts or progress with code for player run shops, complete with "list" and direct deposit? It would add a neat facet to the mud'

Dragor smiles happily.

Conspiracy says, 'it pisses me off :p'

Ming nods his agreement with Cerberus.

Ming says, 'trees prob'

LadyAce says, 'no progress, is on the list tho'

Kaige says to Cerberus, 'That's mostly on hold waiting for Rufus'

Ea! says to Cerberus, 'We haven't been working on it, but we'd like to.'

Ming says, 'like on UO when you could 'hire' an npc shopkeep'

Ming says, 'and stock him'

Ea! says, 'Probably pre-trees.'

Kaige says, 'or at least he was the last one working on it'

Kaige says, 'same with pets'

Kaige says, 'which would include stuff for player owned shops'


Freedom of the Forrest Quest

Ming says, 'back to willogreen - is the freedom of the forrest quest still in the game?'

Kaige says, 'yup'

Ming says, 'it work?'

Kaige says, 'it should.. it's always been rare (or supposed to be) and it's fairly easy to lose'

Kaige says, 'but I can check it'

Ming smiles happily.

Ming says, 'cool'

LadyAce got it while doing a string for a player, but that was fixed. :)


Why not use more color?

Ming says, 'why is a red cap not a red cap'

Dun pokes the news board - It's dead, Dun.

Ming peers around the room intently.

Dun pokes the welcome board - It's dead, Dun.

Dun pokes a directory board - It's dead, Dun.

Dun says, 'what is sublime'

Kaige says, 'cause too much ugly color is cheezy'

Ming says, 'hope you have color on'

Ming says to Kaige, 'more color than just coupons would be nice'

Milo says, 'no, too few people can use color to good effect'

Kaige nods her agreement with Milo.

Ming pukes a giant pile on the ground.

Heineken laughs with amusement.

Dun chuckles politely at Kaige's feeble witticism.


Why not damcap everything?

Ming says, 'why arent backstab and spells capped by the damcap like melee - hurts str fighters.'

Ming scuffles his feet around in the dirt.

Ming says, 'anyone know?'

Ea! says, 'The cap was designed for melee combat.'

Ming says, 'ya but strs only big attack is melee'

Ea! says, 'That's about the best answer I can give -- I know it's not a great one.'

Ming nods his agreement with Ea!.

Ming says, 'fair enough'

Ming says, 'i like the cap'

Ming says, 'just htink it should be for all attacks'

Ming says, 'heard a rumor the new spear can do 200 bs's'

Dun says, 'hah'

Dun says, 'thats funny'

LadyAce says, 'we do have a limit on them, they just don't fall into the same cap as the melee before/after'

Dun says, 'what new spear is that'

Ming points at Red1Guest.

Dun is out of the loop.

Ming says, 'he knows'

Red1Guest says, 'um no i don't'

Ming chuckles politely.

Ea! says, 'It's much easier to tweak the amount of damage a special or a spell does than it is to tweak melee damage...'

Ming nods solemnly.


Not all LOP mobs have items?

Dun says, 'do some of the hol mobs not have items???'

Dun says, 'do some of the hol mobs not have items???'

Sandra says, 'we don't have hol mobs'

Dun says, 'what are old hol mobs called'

LadyAce says, 'HOL is dead, long live LOP'

Dun says, 'ok'

Dun says, 'lop mobs have no items?'

Dun says, 'do some, rather.'

Sandra says, 'some don't. most do'

Dun says, 'ok'


What's the deal with old eq now?

Green1Guest says, 'What's the deal with old eq now?'

Kaige says to Green1Guest, 'the only old eq that's changing is the stuff posted in welcome 18 and 2 other items which haven't been posted yet'

Green1Guest says, 'well about the append on that one, is the old eq on all player files gonna be replaced with the present versions?'

Ming says, 'just hp ma mv gear'

Green1Guest says, 'heh, that's like all the gear on my character:P'

Ming nods his agreement with Green1Guest.

Ming says, 'kraken horseshoe etc'

Ea! says, 'It's something like 9 different items.'

LadyAce says, 'old items will be replaced with new versions'

Kaige says to Green1Guest, 'just the ones listed in welcome 18 and the two tomorrow'

Ming says, 'amethyst garnet'

LadyAce says, 'if you don't like the new versions please replace your stuff asap'

Ming says, 'can yo utell us what 2 are changing tomorrow?'

Green1Guest says, 'oh, it doesn't really matter that much. My character is a relic anyway'

LadyAce says to Sandra, 'last 2 item changes are going up tomorrow?'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.


Skilltrees revisited?

Lancelot says, 'Skilltrees have you guys started to work on it again?'

Ea! says to Lancelot, 'Nope.'

Lancelot sighs loudly.

Lancelot says, 'hmmm'

Milo holds her head down and mourns a Kraken trophy belt.

Kaige says to Lancelot, 'a longer answer will be in the log of this Q&A... it was discussed in length earlier'

Lancelot says, 'ahh ok'


Found the Dex Problem?

Lancelot says, 'ohh yeah have you looked at the Dex code and found out why a 35hit 0dam hits like a 42dam 30hit str person, if theres any problem'

Lancelot says, 'its very irritating that dex hits as hard as me'

LadyAce says to Lancelot, 'it's a problem we're workin on. will also be in the log some'

LadyAce says, 'and in other logs from the last few weeks, too'

Lancelot says, 'ok'

Lancelot says, 'ohh one more'

LadyAce says, 'check it out, web is spiffy cool'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Lancelot.

Kaige says, 'I really wish we'd stuck to the non-round fight system... as spammy as it was.... cause "hard" and "often" are used interchangeably'


Yank the Main Gauche? - How about Dual Wield?

Lancelot says, 'The Main Gauche is there any plans on yanking it?'

Sandra says, 'no'

Lancelot says, 'ok if not gonna yank it, why not make it so it cant be Held but only wield'

Keith says, 'has there been any thought to giving a bonus to using both items off of one mob'

Titania says to Lancelot, 'cant you just reject anyone who uses it? since you consider it so unfair?'

Keith says, 'example, nuadas sword and silver arm'

Milo says, 'sheesh, they already downgraded it'

Heineken cuts off his left hand and wields it, eww!

LadyAce says, 'it's been mentioned'

Lancelot rolls around on the ground with laughter.

LadyAce says, 'but I don't think we could go outside normal balance ranges to offer it, yanno?'

Melanie frowns.

Keith nods solemnly.

Lancelot says, 'it makes you weak to bludgeon, what charas carry two weapons?'

LadyAce says, 'i can see it being a cool design to an item'

Keith nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Keith says, 'just a thought i've had for awhile'

LadyAce says, 'it was someone's proposed coder project at one point'

Keith nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'like a mort applying or going to apply to imm'

Lancelot says, 'And have you ever fought a person using that major messed up item?'

Sandra says to Lancelot, 'and there's another item out there that makes you weak to pierce, and a spell, and another spell that makes you weak to a str attack, and another item that makes you weak to all 3'

Sandra says, 'what's your point?'

Melanie gets Melanie from a fancy scarlet leather backpack.

Lancelot says, 'huh?'

Lancelot says, 'guache gives you resist to slash'

Sandra says, 'the gauche isn't going to be changed, or pulled. Get used to it, work around it, just like the dex chars have to work around stoneskin'

Lancelot says, 'and its downside is only weak to bludgen, and it give parry bounus'

Melanie puts Melanie in a fancy scarlet leather backpack.

Milo says, 'and no stats'

Huginn says, 'bludgeon is pretty common'

Lancelot says, 'Sandra nobody uses stoneskin cause its 100mana cost, bleeding crap, and nasty mvs problems'

Sandra says, 'Um, there's an item that even casts it, and everyone uses it'

Titania says, 'would be nice if the gauche made you have to hold it with 2 hands'

Milo says, 'I think the main gauche is fine as it is'

Lancelot says, 'yeah polish scale casts but the spell itself has sooo much drawback as is'

Milo says, 'I only regret that it isn't as useful for newbies'

Sandra says, 'crash someone with a gache into a mob that bludgeons, and see how fast they die.'

Heineken says, 'main gauche is historically a one-haded weapon, a complement to a rapier.'

Lancelot says, 'I heard thats what is was made for newbie but newbie dont use it'

Lancelot says, 'ohhhhhh god sandra'

Lancelot says, 'I can crash them into a mob that dont bludgeon that rips the shit out of people'

Sandra nods her agreement with Lancelot.

Lancelot says, 'that damn thing just kills str'

Sandra says, 'there's plenty of ways around the gauche. I'd suggest using one or many of those'

Milo ponders making it suscept lick.

Sandra says, 'no it doesn't'

Titania giggles at Milo.

Lancelot says, 'log on a str chara you got lets go watch to see what you do to me if I got gauche'

Sandra says, 'that'd be easy, most of my str fighters don't use a weapon that slashes'

Milo says, 'just hope she doesn't have a str char with a slice, chop or claw weapon'

Sandra pats Lancelot on the head.

Titania says, 'watch her get a claw'

Titania giggles.

Milo nods her agreement with Sandra.

Lancelot says, 'yeah ok sandra'

Red1Guest says, 'claw'

Lancelot says, 'use old claws'

Red1Guest laughs with amusement.

Red1Guest says, 'old claws don't hit hard'

Lancelot says, 'whats new claws gonna be 5str thats it?'

Milo says, 'or whip!'

Lancelot nods his agreement with Red1Guest.

Titania laughs with amusement.

Keith says, 'another thing i've wondered about is paired weapons, at the cost of loosing a shield? any chance of that being a possibility?'

Melanie says, 'duel wielding?'

Milo says to Keith, 'I've wanted that for so long'

Sandra says, 'i have 1 char with an old claw, one with an sss, one with a fork-tongued sword, one with executioner's axe, one with a sastram, should I go on? I have lots ;)'

Heineken nods his agreement with Keith.

LadyAce says, 'we do have the hook instead of a hand'

Keith nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'that kind of paired weapon is something we have the code to do'

Titania says, 'nucky's claws is another'

Lancelot says, 'sure lets see how much damage you do to me'

Red1Guest says, 'i'd laugh at someone who came at me with a light sword'

LadyAce says, 'you should suggest it on idea if you think more items like those would be useful'

Lancelot says, 'I wanna see you all new equ fighting someone with gauche and see what kind of damage you do'

Sandra says, 'nah, coz then I'd have to give away who one of those alts are, and I don't wanna'

Keith nods solemnly.

Lancelot shrugs helplessly.

Milo says to LadyAce, 'how about a secondary weapon you can backstab with?'

Lancelot says, 'you have lots whats one out of your 10k'

Titania looks at Milo and shudders.

Lancelot pets Sandra lovingly.

Sandra says, 'one less char I can play and not be bothered'

Keith says, 'i've just thought that if we ever get any martial artist skills, it would be need to get some weapons possibly paired that they could use :}'

Heineken says, 'backstab with one hand and use a sss with the other? *shudder*'

Lancelot says, 'I never play here now, Im waiting on skill trees before I play here again'

Titania says, 'skill wha?'

Melanie giggles.

Kaige says to Heineken, 'you mean use the draw skill?'

Red1Guest says, 'bwahahaha backstabbing with a secondary weapon would really turn this mud into dex'

Titania ducks to the ground.

Lancelot snickers at Titania nastily.

Lancelot says to Red1Guest, 'its allready dex'

Melanie says, 'really?'

Ea! says to Lancelot, 'Well, I can promise you that the main gauche won't be a major issue by the time that trees goes in.'

Milo says, 'I would think less dex, because you wouldn't have to have dex as your fightskill in order to backstab'

Lancelot says, 'took me 1200hps worth of healing to knock off 500hps of a sniper 6 levels lower'

Lancelot says, 'he hits harder than me, tumbles 50% of bashes so I stand like a moron when that happens, backstab dose 70-80damage eas'

Red1Guest says, 'people would raise their per to make a good backstab and without the dex your backstabs wouldn't land'

Lancelot says, 'what?'

Melanie says, 'before I left for the tour, the only people I could pk wus snipers:P'

Milo says, 'I also would like secondary weapons that have the same melee attacks as if they are primary. That would favor pure fighters with the stats to get expert in more than one weapon proficiency'

Lancelot says, 'per=damage dex=weapon normally'

Lancelot says, 'cant backstab without a dex weapon so thats why they dex'

Lancelot says, 'if str could backstab I bet we would see that, but wouldnt make sence'

Rictor looks at the news board.

Red1Guest stomps on Lancelot's toes.

Lancelot says, 'played on a mud where if you have a staff you can backstab'

Lancelot is completely boggled.

Red1Guest says, 'pay attention to who i'm talking to :P'

Melanie laughs with amusement.

Lancelot patiently twiddles his thumbs.

Titania frowns.

Lancelot says, 'is there any chance at a change to the skill lag on a person, if someone tumbles?'

Lancelot says, 'like I bash he tumble I dont have 3 round lag but like 1.5 or 2'

Titania raises her hand.

LadyAce says, 'I don't think we're looking to make any changes to balance until we see how the hp/ma/mv changes turn out'

Lancelot nods solemnly.


How do the imms feel about PKOK now?

Keith says, 'how do the imms feel about how Pkok has changed the mud? for the better? or worse?'

Lancelot says, 'ohh this should be good'

LadyAce says, 'we're kinda biased :P'

Lancelot listens

Huginn is disappointed in the players' use of pkok personally

Keith says, 'well a biased awnser is better then not knowing'

Keith smiles happily.

LadyAce says, 'I think it's too bad that people don't make more use of its possibilities, but I hope that will come with time'

Huginn says, 'but that's me'

Kaige says to Huginn, 'I never hear of any good scandals with the use of the pledge command either'

Kaige sniffs sadly.

Lancelot says, 'how are you dissapointed Huginn?'

Kunnar says, 'i haven't noticed much of a change, but i'm more of a sporadic pkiller'

LadyAce says, 'beyond that, I am really glad to have done with so many of the complaints about harassment'

Ea! says, 'I think it's worked out a lot better than pulling pkill would have.'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Huginn says to Lancelot, 'I was hoping that more people would make more use of it'

Lancelot says, 'and pk healing crap'

Huginn nods his agreement with Ea!.

Titania raises her hand.

Milo says, 'I think the pkok has led a lot of players to pk when they wouldn't before'

Kaige says, 'yeah'

LadyAce says, 'I do think that we've gotten more people at least dabbling in pk.'

Kaige says, 'and that was one of the goasls too'

Kaige smiles happily.

Milo says, 'and there is less whining too'

Lancelot says, 'but lost a WHOLE lot of pkillers with pkok'

Melanie says, 'before I took leave, I used ta duel people most oov the time when I wusn't in a roon or anythin''

Milo can always do with less of that.

LadyAce says, 'i think it's less of a "us vs them" division in the mud'

Keith nods solemnly.

Lancelot says, 'im one of the Die hard pkillers lost'

LadyAce says, 'many more grades and styles and people willing to make differences in their mind between the types'

Melanie comforts Lancelot.

Keith says, 'so your over all pleased for the most part?'

Ea! says, 'I think *most* of the pkillers who left were those who were using the old system to harass people.'

Lancelot says, 'I find no sence in pkill anymore'

Milo says, 'I just wish we could get more people dabbling in rp'

LadyAce says, 'I think so, yeah. I think that we need more leadership in pk, and it doesn't help that we tend to imm leaders out of the playerbase'

LadyAce pokes Huginn in the ribs.

Lancelot says, 'that was part of the fun EA!, hunt some bastard down and rip them to hell'

Keith nods solemnly.

LadyAce says to Lancelot, 'yeah, what we're saying is we meant to ruin that for ya'

Heineken says, 'pkok is more suited to rp killing than just for killing for the fun of it, so I like it.'

Kaige says, 'more leadership in both pk and rp goes along way to promoting both.'

Ea! says to Lancelot, 'And I think most of the people who felt that way got the message that we don't allow players to harass each other and that they weren't welcome to do so.'

Lancelot says, 'the mud I play now, you die you lose all equ'

Kaige says, 'strong leaders will be imitated...'

Lancelot snickers softly.

Lancelot says, 'I loved jumping people was fun as hell got a rush out of it'

Ea! says, 'jumping people is okay -- jumping people who don't want to be jumped isn't.'

LadyAce says, 'much as we try, we're not the perfect mud for everyone.'

Lancelot says, 'people that whinned where the ones that just take a kill, and insted of trying to kill me back, just yell at me on chat :P'

Kaige says to Lancelot, 'so be accept all and go for it'

Lancelot says, 'I go AA I see like 4 stars all my friends RL and Here :P'

LadyAce says, 'we didn't. Sorry about that, let's make it her turn'

Kaige says to Lancelot, 'you'd make 5... it might encourage others to do so...'

Milo thinks Sandra needs to polish up on her social skills.

Kaige says, 'it's what huginn's talking about tho'

Lancelot snickers softly.

Milo giggles.


Help with Trees?

Titania says, 'maybe this was already answered, do you have to be a coder to help with skill trees, I think I heard Milo ask this when i went link dead, but maybe we could speed things up by giving partial coding projects to player volenteers'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think we have a lot of stuff that could be done by players at this point'

Titania says, 'is it a matter of giving away in game info?'

Milo can type and file and get coffee...

LadyAce says, 'that's a good part of it. it's also a matter of being invested enough to commit to being an imm'

Titania nods solemnly.

Titania says, 'i think i understand'

LadyAce says, 'we don't need as much typing and filing as helping create serious pieces of architecture'

Titania says, 'so say i wanted to become a coder, what should i learn, unix?'

Huginn nods his agreement with Titania.

Ea! says, 'C programming under Unix.'

Lancelot looks at Titania and shudders.

Titania nods solemnly.

Heineken says, 'you need C'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Milo.

Lancelot says, 'CODER you're nuts!'

Huginn says to Titania, 'as well as learning that just to be a better human being'

Lancelot says, 'I give SOOOOOOOOOO much credit to that team!'

Milo says, 'my stupid school won't let me take comp classes without being a major'

Milo grumbles.

Titania says to Huginn, 'that is debatable'

Titania snickers softly.

Ea! says to Huginn, 'Yeah, knowing Unix'll help for coding on Legend, but the big advantage is that you'll learn Unix.'

Huginn nods his agreement with Ea!.

Huginn says to Ea!, 'for fun and profit!'

Titania says, 'i notice that there are alot of assistant coders, is that because they dont really code?'

Heineken says, 'do coders need a lot of C? Can you work with someone with a working knowledge of Unix and C and experience with other languages?'

Keith says, 'I think you should all redo all the code here in PERL'

Keith snickers softly.

Huginn says to Heineken, 'you can pick it up if you know some structured lang would be my opinion'

Huginn beats Keith with a stick.

Keith rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Heineken *perks up* I know Perl and VB :)


Is there going to be a bonus for con?

Keith says, 'it may have been covered and I missed it so sorry, but since all the hp/mv/mana eq is being downgraded is there any more bonus to con? i've been hearing rumors'

LadyAce says, 'there's a code change going in as well'

Keith smiles happily.

Keith nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'you'll get more details on when it will go in once our timeline is nailed down.'

Keith says, 'ok thanks'


Is Rufus still working on Trees Stuff?

Titania says, 'nother question bout skilltrees, is Rufus still off the project? i know you imms hate to give estimates on the trees but ill take the bait, how far along are you guys?'

Heineken says, 'halfway to never? *duck* :) just kidding :)'

LadyAce says, 'we actually covered this extensively about an hour ago'

LadyAce says, 'can you wait a few minutes after the session is done and read it from the web instead?'

Titania chuckles politely.

Titania says, 'i mean its not like im going to stop playing, i just love when people say that and they still come back, the mud is to fun'

Titania nods solemnly.

Titania says, 'sure'


Lag on Spelltools

Titania says, 'question about spelltools, i take it its the same length as the original spell?'

Ea! says, 'No, it's a flat lag.'

Titania says to Ea!, 'of how long?'

Ea! says, 'I forget, I think 2 rounds.'

Titania nods solemnly.


More PK wanted & how can we get it?

Lancelot says, 'ok I know we wanna get more RP and pkill'

Lancelot says, 'so how about all pkill clans AA to all pkills clans'

Lancelot says, 'make it a must if your in one'

Zaba says, 'no comment about the more pkill comment'

Lancelot snickers at Zaba nastily.

LadyAce says to Lancelot, 'I think they ought to, but I think it's up to them'

Ea! says to Lancelot, 'They're free to do it if they want to. We won't force them.'

LadyAce says to Lancelot, 'if there's some clan of baddies, I don't want people required to play with them'

Zaba grumbles.

Zaba says, 'thats the whole point of pkill!'

Lancelot says, 'but if they dont wanna play with the pkill boys then dont join pkill clan correct?'

Zaba says, 'beating someone up that doesnt wanna be beaten up!'

Zaba stomps around.

Zaba stomps around.

Zaba stomps around.

LadyAce says, 'why let some random bad pk clan mess up things for all the others?'

Heineken says, 'and that's the whole point to it being gone :)'

Lancelot says, 'but if they join a PKill clan they wanna get beat up of beat other people up?'

Kaige says, 'no it means they want to have clan wars'

LadyAce says, 'the 'just don't pk' argument was weak when we used it in the old days, but it was all we had...now we're free of it :P'

Lancelot says, 'well clans must have 5 min, wolfpack that clan thats going around'

Lancelot nods his agreement with Kaige.

LadyAce says, 'it doesn't mean they want to have clan wars with any bunch of shmucks that get 5 bodies together for a pk clan'

Lancelot says, 'we gotta get some of it back, you join pkill clan you are stepping into a hornets nest and they will know that'

Conspiracy says, 'are you insane?'

LadyAce says, 'we got rid of that on purpose'

Conspiracy says, 'there is no pk anymore. :p'

Kaige says, 'so get two clans together... and have at each other'

Lancelot says, 'but thats what makes this mud a non-pkill mud now, we gotta get it back'

Kaige says, 'publicize it enough and people will want to get into it too'

Conspiracy says to Lancelot, 'get what back?'

Kaige says, 'which is what I meant about more leadership in pk'

Lancelot says, 'pkill wars etc etc jumping all that good stuff'

Conspiracy says, 'yeah, we do need it back.'

Kaige says, 'make it something they want to be a part of and they will... but it seems to me that most people didn't want that'

Lancelot says, 'well its hard enough to get people to log on here enough, no action'

Heineken says, 'that's still possible, if people do it....'

Kaige says, 'or at least not that particular flavor of it forced on them'

Conspiracy says, 'but it'll never happen with the xp loss we have.'

Lancelot nods his agreement with Conspiracy.

Conspiracy says, 'which should be looked at, imo.'

Sandra says, 'hah, xp loss in pk is pathetic'

Kaige says to Lancelot, 'Dusk had no trouble getting peopel for his pk tourney'

Lancelot says, 'well I never really gave a rats ass about xp once I hit 50'

Conspiracy says to Sandra, 'look at it from my point of view for a sec'

Zaba says, 'neither did my alt, and now hes at 5 mil'

Zaba grumbles.

Zaba says, 'thats gonna suck'

Kaige says, 'just takes some advertising and some coordination'

Conspiracy says to Sandra, 'I have little interest in killing mobs.'

Lancelot says, 'thats all duals and good nature, and the pkill tourny is only half that amount of people'

Kaige says, 'but people are too lazy'

Conspiracy says to Sandra, 'it doesn nothing for me.'

Gavvius smiles happily.

Zaba says, 'ok... you may not agree with me, but i think that player killing doesnt require asking "can i kill you" to me thats boring!'

Lancelot nods his agreement with Zaba.

Sandra says to Conspiracy, 'that's something that you've just gotta do to keep being able to pk.'

Conspiracy says to Sandra, 'jesus perma'd without trying, that's sad.'

Kaige says to Zaba, 'that's what accept all is for'

Ea! says to Zaba, 'And to others, it's harassment.'

Lancelot says, 'if you pkill enable you know what you getting into'

LadyAce says, 'I'd say, get that agreement in advance, and don't ask again later'

Ea! says, 'So, we're making it so those who feel it's harassment can avoid it.'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Zaba says to LadyAce, 'people accept for a duel, and then reject later'

LadyAce says, 'guess that's how they wanna pk....there are also people who leave their opponents on their accepts'

Lancelot says, 'if they dont wanna pkill then dont I really didnt see the problem really, you enable you know you gonna get jumped'

Conspiracy says, 'more people would be willing to go AA if there was a lessened xp loss, is all I'm sying.'

Zaba says to Ea!, 'i think when it comes to pkill, once you enable you sign off your right to whine about harassment'

Ea! says to Lancelot, 'If you accept all, you know you might get jumped. '

Zaba says, 'you WONT get jumped... thats the problem'

Zaba grumbles.

Lancelot says, 'its a VERY slim might'

Conspiracy says to Ea!, 'laugh, yeah right'

Ea! says to Zaba, 'Right, but that *didn't work*. It caused people to feel harassed.'

LadyAce says, 'I'm not terrifically opposed to a xp loss revision, but I haven't pk'd too much lately'

Lancelot says, 'I have a chara AA I went afk in the stag for 4 hours didnt get touched'

Conspiracy says to Ea!, 'who am I gonna get jumped by? one of the few afk diehards who haven't left the mud yet?'

LadyAce says, 'so not sure where we're really at with the devastation due to death'

Zaba says to Ea!, 'so now we're stuck in boringmud because a few people whined?'

Kaige says to Lancelot, 'did you try to stir any of the other aa's up?'

Lancelot says, 'most afk'

Kaige says to Zaba, 'no, we're stuck with boring mud because it seems that's whatpeople are willing to settle for'

Sandra says, 'I find them the pathetic ones'

Conspiracy says, 'there are no aa.'

Sandra says, '"pk sucks!" so they go sit afk and do nothing about it'

Kaige nods her agreement with Sandra.

LadyAce says, 'they're all afk wishing there was some action :p which is lame because if everyone goes afk waiting for action, isn't ever going to be any.'

Ea! says to Zaba, 'Actually, I think more players complained than felt that it was a "good" idea.'

Lancelot says, 'If I log on my pkiller and start yelling and people and harassing them none of them will try to attack me they just stay reject and harass me back'

Ea! says, 'And enough imms complained.'

Conspiracy says to LadyAce, 'your talking two, maybe three people.'

Sandra says to Lancelot, 'you gotta do it in a way that'll get them interested, not make them mad'

Kaige says to Lancelot, 'if you harass them yeah... I didn't say harass.. I say stir them up'

Lancelot says, 'Im just saying in pkill clans let the old pkill style rule'

Lancelot says, 'if you dont like that type go RP clan and duel when you want'

Lancelot says, 'its all im saying'

Sandra says, 'I think that just about all pk clans accept the majority of the other pk clans. I know the 3 I'm in do'

LadyAce says, 'well, the numbers I've seen show that we don't have a lack of people who are pkok...it sounds like you lack people willing to pk with you. which is a different problem'

Lancelot says, 'if people really hate the pkill crap and harassment dont go pkill clan go RP clan and have a good time dueling'

Conspiracy says to Sandra, 'when's the last time any of your pk'ers did anything?'

Zaba says to LadyAce, 'almost everyone is pkok... doesnt mean that pkill is exciting anymore'

Sandra says to Conspiracy, 'last week. But then again I haven't played at all this iweek'

Lancelot says, 'pkiller dont play here anymore, and with dex being messed up sooooo much, if you not dex you in trouble'

Zaba says, 'there are duels, inactive people, and people that just dont accept anyone'

LadyAce says, 'go do disgustingly good things and draw down evil people upon you. go plot dastardly things and draw the attention of good people'

Conspiracy says to Sandra, 'jump or get jumped?'

Heineken says, 'you can now pkill for rp purposes without worrying about being perma'd, and hardcore pkillers can still aa. I think it's the best of both worlds.'

LadyAce says, 'make them want to kill you :P'

Lancelot says, 'how long we been sitting here not one pkill info'

Sandra says, 'was a duel actually. Was testing some tactics before I changed eq around'

Zaba says to Heineken, 'its boring!'

Ea! says to Lancelot, 'Yeah, but you've been *sitting* here.'

Zaba says, 'nobody out there to pkill with'

Conspiracy says to Sandra, 'exactly my point, there's no thrill in it anymore.'

Zaba says, 'brb... i'll go double check the who list'

LadyAce says to Lancelot, 'well, we're workin on the dex thing.'

Lancelot says, 'when I pkilled like a mo fo I never came to Q & A's now its all thats left'

Ea! says, 'Well, there's like three of four of you in here complaining.'

Lancelot nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Kaige says, 'because they're all sitting saying that to themselves'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Sandra giggles.

Zaba says, 'me and wyvern are the only accept alls, and wyvern is oow cause he is playing a different mud'

Kaige says, 'we need like a pk dating service or something'

Heineken says, 'it's less exciting than harassing other players, but since when did you have a right to harass?'

Kaige snickers softly.

Lancelot says, 'well you wanna permote pkill but you dont wanna help it out'

Sandra says, 'Part of the problem, I think is that people are afraid to attack their friends. its gotten away from the rp way too much. I've actually seen one person say that on chat'

Kaige says, 'we'll help sure.. but we're not going to do all the work'

Conspiracy says to Sandra, 'nah, I don't gree with that.'

LadyAce says, 'on the other hand, chances are half the people on the mud are pkok. why don't they want to kill you?'

Lancelot says, 'this is my only unarchived player left its sad really'

Zaba says, 'im just going to get fed up with this conversation, so im gonna go watch tv'

Zaba says, 'this really used to be a fun exciting mud'

Conspiracy says, 'here's my thing, I don't care if the diehards come back or not..'

Kaige says, 'heh 50% pkokenabled, 5% pkenabled 5% Accept All'

Lancelot says, 'if I go around talking all big you think people gonna fight, no they are scared of xp loss and all that crap'

Conspiracy says, 'but I would like to get new people into AA.'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Conspiracy.

Sandra nods her agreement with Conspiracy.

Zaba says to Kaige, 'there are 2 people on AA right now'

Kaige nods her agreement with Zaba.

Zaba says, 'and one of them is afk'

Kaige says, 'yup I know'

Zaba points at Wyvern.

Conspiracy says, 'but they won't, how do we get them to, and like it?'

Lancelot says, 'only odlbies are AA'

Kaige says, 'there were 4 earlier'

Zaba says, 'you know why he is afk?'

Lancelot says, 'wow 4'

Zaba says, 'cause he is playing another mud!'

Lancelot says, 'wow 4 whole AA'

Zaba says, '1 was me'

Zaba says, 'and i wasnt even home'

Lancelot says, 'wyv is 2'

Zaba says, 'so that dont count'

LadyAce says, 'compared to the old days of only 4 pkers on at all :P'

Zaba says to LadyAce, 'hardly the case'

Kaige says, 'so jump him.. show him it's not safe to be aa and go afk'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Heineken laughs with amusement.

Zaba says to Kaige, 'ooc?'

Lancelot nods his agreement with Zaba.

Kaige says, 'shame on him then'

Zaba jumps Wyvern.

Zaba says, 'just not the same :('

Conspiracy says to Kaige, 'that's the norm, all aa are ooc/afk.'

Lancelot says, 'I was AA afk in stag cause I forgot I was'

Lancelot giggles.

Kaige says, 'so do y'all leave them messages letting them know they missed the opportunity to kill you? or be kille dby you?'

Sandra says, 'I think that its stupid to complain about how bad pkill is, when its being done in the ooc, and only when coming back from being oow =P If it sucks, do something about it. If you don't, and are just taking up space in the ooc, you have'

Sandra says, 'no right to talk'

Sandra attempts to prod Wyvern but Wyvern isn't about to go anywhere.

Conspiracy says, 'I don't go afk much.'

Lancelot says, 'I do something about I play in a very active pkill mud :P'

Conspiracy shrugs helplessly.

Zaba says, 'i would pk, BUT THERE IS NOBODY TO PK WITH!'

Zaba bursts into tears.

Lancelot waves happily.

Zaba says, 'oh well... night'

Kaige says to Zaba, 'have you thought about writing an article in the LT and asking people who are interesting in more free for all style pk to contanct you and organize something better?'

Kaige says, 'or posted on news, or anything?'

Zaba says, 'yes'

Zaba looks at the news board.

Ea! says, 'What about a variant on the game "assassin"?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

Kaige says, 'that'd be sweet!'

Zaba says, 'it got deleted cause it was old'

LadyAce says to Zaba, 'I think Conspiracy would probably work with you on that.'

Zaba says, 'i ALWAYS made posts on the board begging for people interested to join in'

LadyAce says, 'I've seen a lot of people trying to lead things and not a lot of following'

Kaige says, 'or Lancelot'

Zaba shrugs helplessly.

Kaige says, 'or hell I bet if you put a note in the LT you'd get interest'

LadyAce says, 'so one of you lead and the others follow'

Zaba says to Herbert, 'hows pk here?'

LadyAce says, 'Conspiracy, Lancelot, Zaba, Wyvern...sounds like the start of something :P'

LadyAce says, 'so get to it!'

Herbert says, 'PK here is stat freaks on acid competing for infos'

Conspiracy says to LadyAce, 'I'm 100 spirit, not much I can do.'

Conspiracy shrugs helplessly.

Zaba says, 'you know how often the 4 of us have killed each other?'

Conspiracy grins evilly at Zaba.. wonder what he's thinking...

LadyAce says, 'i'm saying you need to reach out :P'

Zaba says, 'how much can we do it before we give up completely?'

LadyAce says, 'not continue the incest'

Zaba shrugs helplessly.

Zaba says, 'i dont know.. its kinda hopeless'

Zaba waves happily.

Herbert says, 'i am TRYING pk i jus lose a hell of a lot and am never gonna redeem hahahaha'

Conspiracy says, 'well, I happen to think the system can work with one small modification.'

Kaige says to Herbert, 'what do you think of a pkok game of "assassin"'

Zaba says, 'there are no more elitist pkillers...'

Zaba says, 'look at all the HoL or LoP or whatever you call them'

Zaba says, 'almost ALLLLL of them were pkillers'

Herbert says to Kaige, 'i must have missed something i only just got here hahah'

Zaba says, 'that is what makes a mud!'

Herbert says, 'gimme a brief rundown on the game? use tells or something?'

Zaba says, 'otherwise it is a bunch of people aimlessly killing mobs'

Kaige nods her agreement with Herbert.

Conspiracy says, 'if you think about it, pk made this mud what it is.'

Conspiracy shrugs philosophically.

Zaba nods her agreement with Conspiracy.

LadyAce says, 'well, pk thinks so :P'

Conspiracy says to LadyAce, 'you disagree?'

Ea! says, 'Basically, there are two sides, each member draws at random the name of someone on the other side. Once they've killed that person, they get another name.'

LadyAce says, 'which is kinda what irritates a lot of people about pk, really'

LadyAce says, 'actually I do disagree that pk made us what we are.'

LadyAce says, 'a whole lotta things did, and I wouldn't say pk was even the top one'

Kaige says to Herbert, 'where you get a group of people together and draw names and try to assassinate each other with no witnesses and last man standing wins?'

Ea! says, 'Or something like that.'

Zaba says, 'when this mud was voted mud of the month. when pk activity was at a high'

Kaige says, 'we used to play with water guns'

Conspiracy says, 'what we are now is an aimless mud with a rediculous economy.'

Ea! says, 'There's a lot of varriants to the game.'

LadyAce says, 'I think the creativity and patience of players and imms is probably primary'

Herbert says to Kaige, 'sounds quite interesting to me, i like'

LadyAce says, 'good luck and people being in college helped too'

Conspiracy says, 'where has there been more creativity then pk?'

Herbert says, 'sounds like it would add a little to pk and im all for that'

Kaige says to Herbert, 'I think it'd be cool. but no one seems to want to take the idea and run with it to stir up "real manly man's" pk'

Kaige says, 'where's the creativity in sitting in the fucking ooc whining there's no one 6to kill???'

Kaige says, 'sorry. but it makes me sick after a while'

Kaige sulks in the corner.

Herbert says to Kaige, 'hehehe they just need to risk things more often, i went accept all for a week and had a list of about 9 people that chased me all week'

Conspiracy says to Kaige, 'when did pkok go in?'

Zaba says to Kaige, 'exactly, all our creativity got fed up and quit'

Kaige says to Conspiracy, 'last may'

Conspiracy says, '8 months.'

Conspiracy says, 'after 8 months, we're kinda tired of trying.'

Conspiracy says, 'see my point?'

Zaba says, 'very'

Zaba says, 'i have tried incessively (if thats the right word) to get people interested'

Herbert says, 'i must admit that i did enjoy forced accept all, it made the step of gettin enabled scarier and reduced the healing/assist problems'

Zaba says, 'all my friends told me "give up, its over" but i didnt listen to them'

Conspiracy says, 'I don't know why I even log on to tell the truth, I don't mobkill, and sandra is really the only person I talk to.'

Zaba says, 'now i see they were right, its over'

Kaige says, 'honestly, not really. I've seen about 8 months of asking us to do most of the organzing for you or removing the things we've put in that make you have to organize and recognize others that want to play the same games as you'

Kaige points at Wyvern.

Conspiracy says to Kaige, 'say what you will, alot of us have tried different things, with no success.'

Kaige says, 'I mean before we had people whining about all the targets sitting ooc...'

Zaba says to Kaige, 'i constantly tried to get things organized!!!! it didnt work!'

Zaba grumbles.

Kaige says, 'or people whining that so and so was reportting them for harassment again'

Herbert says, 'i have seen a lot of people try to organise things and have no success.. but thats more a player thing again.. a lot of the players dont want to make a step'

Zaba says, 'so your saying other muds where everyone is pk, they're being harassed?'

Ea! says to Zaba, 'They loose a lot of players by making that choice.'

Kaige says, 'not always... especially in the one that are explicity PK only and everyone is pk from day one'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

Kaige says, 'but there are plenty of players that want only that too...'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

LadyAce says, 'well, I can't remember the last time I got dragged into dealing with a pk problem, and there are lots of people pkok. That pretty much accomplishes my goals from pkok'

Zaba says to Ea!, 'hardly, the mud i now play has a playerbase 10 times the size of legend'

Kaige says, 'there are mushes out there with the same thing too'

Kaige says, 'so?'

Conspiracy says to LadyAce, 'there are a ton of pkok people that don't do a thing pk related, though'

Herbert nods his agreement with Conspiracy.

Zaba says to Kaige, 'my point exactly... it isnt harassment on the other muds because we agreed to it when we joined the mud... well people here agreed to it when they typed in one simple line "tell immortal could you enable me?"'

Kaige says, 'oh and if I was organizing the Assassin game.. I wouldn't let anyone play unless they were AA'

Zaba says, 'therefor it isnt harassment, people just whine when they lose'

Herbert says, 'i remember before PK ok there was a HUGE spiel before you would get enabled'

Ea! says to Zaba, 'It didn't work that way. People felt harassed. We stopped that.'

Herbert says, 'the good old Are you willing to be backstabbed betrayed killed multi'd looted etc.. if so say yes'

Conspiracy says to Herbert, 'actually, I still get that :p'

Herbert giggles.

Zaba says, 'it was like a waiver... people basically signed a contract saying they wont whine'

Ea! says to Zaba, 'No, it wasn't.'

Kaige says, 'and yet the amount of whines heard was unreal'

Herbert says, 'but im not that active a pk'er anyway so i dont mind either way and dont deal with Pk enough to really have a solid opinion'

Sandra thinks that they have a right to enjoy pk the way *they* want it, not the way *you* want it.

Zaba says, 'well you blame the players for making us put a damper on the pk economy, and now you blame the players for not livening it up?'

Conspiracy says to Sandra, 'mmm, and we don't have the right to enjoy it the way *we* want it?'

Sandra says, 'you just need to get together with those who's way is the same as yours'

Ea! says to Conspiracy, 'You do -- as long as you don't trounce on other people's rights.'

Zaba says to Sandra, 'they all left and went to a better mud :P'

Sandra says to Zaba, 'then they're all worthless puds, and can stay on the other mud. =)'

Zaba shrugs helplessly.

Zaba says, 'well if thats the way you feel...'

Kaige giggles at Sandra.

Kaige says, 'ugh... chaos night'

Kaige shudders.

Herbert says, 'Yeah a night of PK madness! mwuahahah'

Herbert throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Sandra says, 'it'd be funny to major poison someone then keep casting fear til they died'

Sandra giggles.

Conspiracy snickers at Sandra nastily.

Herbert snackles quietly to himself.

Sandra says, 'I wanna try that'

Conspiracy says to Sandra, 'sounds like something you'd actually do :p'

Sandra comes up with weird ideas.

Sandra nods to herself - she must be getting senile.

Kaige giggles at Sandra.

Sandra giggles.

Sandra nods her agreement with Conspiracy.

Conspiracy says to Sandra, 'sink!'

Sandra says, 'wave a cure poison potion in their face, then fear 'em!'

Herbert says, 'katar and bolg.. mmm'

LadyAce says, 'k, I really think we need to end this'

Sandra says, 'into an agg mob, so that they have to flee again'

Sandra says, 'ooh'

Kaige says to LadyAce, 'want me to tell them if they're interested in organizing the player side of it, to contact you or me?'

LadyAce says, 'thanks for comin and all. I will think about 'AA night''

Ea! says, 'You're welcome to introduce your own, but we won't force people to accept all.'

Conspiracy says to Ea!, 'true'

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'sounds good to me -- I think you know the way assassin works better than I, if you wanna spearhead it'

Ea! says, 'If this were the RP community, they'd manage to organize it and come to imms for help where needed... I think that the PK community could do the same thing.'

Conspiracy says to Ea!, 'well, it isn't.'

Herbert says, 'i still wanna surgeon only pk clan haahaha'

Conspiracy says, 'we'd need too many things.'

Conspiracy says, 'people wouldn't do it cuz of timers, etc.. you willing to reset timers?'

Ea! says, 'We're not going to bend the rules of the game for it -- just as we won't for rp.'

Conspiracy says, 'in that case, it isn't a night of AA, it's 48 ticks of AA.'

Conspiracy says, 'making people much less likely to do it.'

Herbert says, 'cya people, thanks'

Conspiracy says to Ea!, 'there's no good answer, face it.'

LadyAce gives a big hug to everyone in the room.


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