Lecture Series Index

February 1st, 2001

Q & A Index

Topics Covered

How often are imm apps taken?
Where do you need new imms?
How much Unix is needed?
Backstab Rumors
Info as Imms and Applicants?
Change in Base Stat System?
How many people are Accept All now?
Why high inactive rate?
Coder Projects?
Is Admin really harder to get in?
Houses in Klein yet?
What's coding like?
Can we get someone to look at a draft?
Could banks pay interest?
How can morts get more involved?
Do new imms have to stick to that dept?
Can we have clan wars with kill counts?
How should we answer the questions?
Any plans for a LegendMEET?
Can Clanhalls be spiffier than regular houses?
Names & Housing
Is April Fool's day going to be a secret again?
When's the next PK Tourney?

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How often are imm apps taken?

Heineken says, 'I'm interested in applying, but I'll be too busy for a few months to imm. Do I have to wait another year to apply if I want to apply?'

LadyAce says, 'we take apps every 6 months'

LadyAce says, 'so the next time will be in september'

Heineken nods solemnly.


Where do you need new imms?

Chaykin says, 'well, where is there the most demand for new imms right now, in what department? And what sort of people are you looking for?'

Kaige says, 'in the one that you're most interested in working on projects for'

Tobias giggles.

Chaykin looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says, 'mostly just looking for energy and motivation'

Tobias says, 'What about motivation without qualification?'

Tobias giggles.

Kaige says, 'seriously.. if you're not interested in working in a dept, you're not going to be enthusiastic about doing it and if you can pretend to be you won't last long at it.'

Chaykin says, 'well'

Heineken chuckles politely at Tobias's feeble witticism.

LadyAce says, 'yeah...it's important to have some sense of the kind of work you want to do'

Chaykin says, 'I guess I know what departments I'm interested in, what I really want to know is, are there specific types of projects that are in demand or just whatever we want?'

Kaige smiles at Chaykin.

LadyAce says, 'creativity is what's in demand primarily'

LadyAce says, 'you should think something up that you want to do'

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'well, that's why you should have a chat with the dept head early'

Chaykin says to Kaige, 'way ahead of you ;)'

Kaige says, 'creativity and sticktoit-ness and repeatability'

Kaige smiles at Chaykin.

Chaykin nods his agreement with Kaige.

Chaykin says, 'okie'

LadyAce says, 'if we need you to work on something other than the project you applied with, we'll have you do that'

Kaige says, 'if the question was: which is going to be the easiest to get into (not saying you're specifically asking that.. but it will be thought of...'

Chaykin shakes his head.

Kaige says, 'pick the one you're most interested in doing.. you'll do the best app for that.. and it'll be the easiest for you to get into'

Chaykin says, 'not interested in anything easy, that's not the point of being an imm'

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'that's why I qualified it'

Chaykin says, 'at least I don't think so'


How much Unix is needed?

Ruby says, 'Unix. How much do you need to know? ie an expert or just someone familular with it'

Ea! says, 'Depends on the department.'

Ruby says, 'not coder :P'

Ea! says, 'If you're going to be a coder, you'll want to be comfortable.'

Ruby says, 'well I'm comfortable but code isn't something I'd go into anyway..'

Ea! says, 'Otherwise, you really just need to be comfortable with a command line and logging in and so forth.'

Chaykin says, 'I know a little coding, but I didn't like it much'

Ruby nods his agreement with Chaykin.

LadyAce says, 'other departments, the more you know, the better off you are...we get people who know no unix, and people who know lots of it.'

Ea! says, 'knowing an editor is useful, but not necessary.'

Ruby nods his agreement with Ea!.

LadyAce says, 'it does help if you understand the idea of a command line, client/server, etc'

Kaige says, 'we're good at helping you learn enough to become comfortable too I think'

Huginn nods his agreement with Kaige.

Huginn says, 'there are somethings its easier to do if you know unix.. even as a builder'

Ruby says, 'good.. well it's nice to know I'll be ok with my unix skills if i ever feel like trying to imm :) thanx'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'you mean, the more you know about the computer system?'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'about unix, is what i said'

Chaykin nods solemnly.

Vendetta nods solemnly.

Chaykin has used unix :)


Backstab Rumors

Vendetta says, 'just how powerfull is the current backstab cause I heard rumors it does up to 300hp'

Boreas smiles happily.

LadyAce says, 'That sounds like something you should test on your own, not something we should tell you.'

Vendetta says, 'ok'

Kaige suggests being on the giving end, not the receiving end.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.


Info as Imms and Applicants?

Siachet says, 'I have a rather trivial question...are morts of immorts still not allowed to give out item stats on auction, and if so, would everyone considering applying be expected to abide by that also?'

Siachet says, 'sorry, I didn't see you point at me before'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think that was ever a rule exactly, for imm morts....'

LadyAce says, 'it was more a suggestion'

Kaige says, 'many choose not to tho... and all applicants are expected to behave according to the spirit of the immort code of conduct that they said they've read and accepted.'

LadyAce says, 'I don't feel comfortable doing it, myself, but I don't think we'd kick you out if we saw you doing it'

Siachet says, 'ah, I thought that it was more explicit than that for immort morts'

LadyAce says, 'If you don't feel you can give up a thing like that to be an imm, though...'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Kaige says, 'actually the imm code of conduct states: The mortals of immorts are held to the same standard, which means they must not give out quest solutions, teacher locations, skill information, item stats, etc.'

Siachet nods solemnly.

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'I understood there to be an exception for auction though'

Kaige says, 'if they're selling the item sure'

Kaige says, 'and like I said, many still won't'

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'right, is what I meant.'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

Siachet nods solemnly.

Vendetta nods solemnly.

LadyAce says to Siachet, 'part of the trouble is that as an imm, you have access to go look that info up'

Myrella says, 'well if you have an item to auction you should most of that info anyways'

LadyAce says to Siachet, 'so particularly on the rare items, it's a matter of the old 'appearance of impropriety''

LadyAce says, 'some traits of items aren't apparent from wearing tho'

Myrella says, 'yes, thats true but I'm sure you immortals are smart enough to know which .stats. shouldn't be given on auction'

Siachet says, 'thats what I thought...I personally don't have a problem with morts giving stats, but I thought immorts weren't supposed to for that reason'

LadyAce says, 'maybe. I'd rather avoid any possible misinterpretations'

Chaykin says, 'understandable'

Vendetta blinks.

LadyAce says, 'I guess it's never been a problem for me.'

LadyAce giggles.

Vendetta smiles happily.

LadyAce says, 'imms don't have much time to play'

Kaige doesn't tend to auction stuff when she does.

Kaige giggles.


Change in Base Stat System?

Vendetta says, 'I have an alt who's original stats are a little screwed up so I'm wondering if you changed the stat system.'

Kaige says to Vendetta, 'years ago'

Kaige says, 'is it off by everyone elses by like 3 points?'

Vendetta says, 'within the last 5 months?'

Kaige shakes her head.

Kaige says, 'nope'

LadyAce says, 'definitely not that recently. Should let us take a peek at them sometime'

Vendetta says, 'for example my 3rd choice is near 40 while my 4th stat is below 30'

Chaykin says, 'that's not that weird'

Myrella says, '3+4 will equal 66'

LadyAce says, 'not weird at all'

Myrella says, 'barring any quests'

Vendetta says, 'i thought they go in some descending order'

LadyAce says, 'not necessarily'

Vendetta says, 'so 5th stat can be higher than fourth?'

Myrella shakes her head in disagreement with Vendetta.

Myrella says, 'only equal at best'

Vendetta nods solemnly.


How many AAs now?

Vendetta says, 'how many people are approximately AA?'

LadyAce says, 'we have some pretty recent stats, let me check them'

Kaige says, 'no clue offhand how many total... but I know we hit a max of 12 online at once this past month'

Ruby says, '12 the max?'

LadyAce says, '11% of active chars, 22% of active were pkok peoples'

Kaige says, 'now how many of those were sitting idle in the ooc?'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Chaykin snickers softly.

Ruby says to Kaige, 'prolly half'

Vendetta says, 'much worse than before'

Ruby sighs loudly.

Vendetta smiles at Ruby.

Kaige says, 'last Feb was peak 23 pk enabled, and pk chars were approx 21% of active players'


Why high inactive rate?

Chaykin says, 'how come so many new imms go inactive within 6 months of immorting?'

Ea! says to Chaykin, ''cause it's a hard job.'

LadyAce says, 'because it's harder and less fun to be an imm than they thought?'

Chunk nods solemnly.

Ruby says, 'oww can i ask a quest that is linked to that realy quick?'

Vendetta nods his agreement with Ruby.

Ruby says, 'is there any way for an imm that went inactive to go back to being a mort ie relised from imm's rules?'

Chaykin says, 'Tad did it'

LadyAce says, 'I think that we're doing a bit better keeping imms active lately'

LadyAce says, 'yes, you can retire'

Ruby nods solemnly.

Vendetta looks confused.

Ea! says to Ruby, 'Tad chose to do that.'

Ruby says, 'just wondering cuz I noticed the wiz list was a little long :)'

Ruby says, 'didn't know about Tad. That's interesting'

LadyAce says, 'It's an option.'


Coder Projects?

Heineken says, 'I'm confused about what sort of project a coder would propose.'

LadyAce says, 'a new skill or feature you'd like to work on'

Heineken says, 'what if it's an old one (skill trees)?'

LadyAce says, 'something you think up and are interested in being involved with'

LadyAce says, 'this is a place to be creative :) don't use our ideas!'

Myrella says, 'fix the spell system!'

Myrella snickers softly.

Chunk snickers softly.

Heineken says, 'but it's hard to think of a coding project like that when you don't know the code :('

Heineken says, 'you can't know if it's feasible or not'

Chunk says, 'dont need to know the code itself just C basically and your idea'

LadyAce says, 'well, that's why it's important to talk to the head coder'

Myrella says, 'well if you already think its impossible it'll never get done'

Heineken says, 'I don't mean the language, the actual code.'

Myrella laughs with amusement.

Chunk nods his agreement with Myrella.

Heineken nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Ea! says, 'there's a reason why it's not a *large* part of the coding app.'

Heineken says, 'OK, I'll think on it. I've got plenty of time since I'm not applying this round :)'

LadyAce says, 'I mean, if your idea is to redo some bit of the code into a library, that doesn't show your ability as a designer'

Vendetta smiles happily.

Heineken says, 'so you want to see if the applicant can think up something creative, even if the project isn't feasible?'

Huginn says to Heineken, 'well speaking only for myself'

Ea! says to Heineken, 'Creative and that will work well within the game.'

Huginn says to Heineken, 'I wouldn't vote for a teammate who couldn't suggest the workable'

Heineken nods solemnly.


Is Admin really harder to get in?

Chaykin says, 'is it true that it's a lot harder to be accepted as a new admin imm than the other departments?'

LadyAce says to Heineken, 'well, it's pretty much a 'within reason' thing'

LadyAce looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says, 'We're looking for a very narrow definition of person for admin'

Kaige says, 'I'd say it probably is harder to get into admin as a new imm, but it's not impossible.'

LadyAce says, 'admin is more narrow than other depts I would say'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Chaykin says, 'narrow in what respect?'

Kaige says, 'and more is expected of them in some ways'

LadyAce says, 'few people have the personality to do admin right out of the box'

Chaykin says, 'what sort of personality is that?'

Kaige says, 'patient'

HerbertWest says, 'good question Chay'

LadyAce says, 'good at staying calm in troubling situation'

LadyAce says, 'thick skins'

LadyAce says, 'things we can't necessarily see about you when you're a mortal'

Myrella chuckles politely.

LadyAce says, 'many are lawyers, few are judges.'

Ea! says, 'Need to be above reproach, too.'

HerbertWest says, 'so you have to be the stereotypical 'harsh' immort?'

HerbertWest chuckles politely.

Myrella says, 'which would make it rather hard to judge suitability'

LadyAce says to HerbertWest, 'of course not'

Chaykin says, 'so what if I wanted to apply as the official complain-at guy? Someone has a complaint, you refer them to me and I try to calm them down'

HerbertWest says to LadyAce, 'joke.. it was a joke hehe'

LadyAce says, 'I'd say that's not a position we're looking for :P'

Chaykin chuckles politely.

Chunk snickers softly.

Chaykin is joking

LadyAce says, 'mostly cuz you can't take the place of the whole durn staff and call it your title :P'

Chunk would be the keep in it real tell you blunt out imm admin =p

An aura of heavenly light appears above Chunk's head.

Lorenzo says to Chaykin, 'Whipping Boy Chaykin?'

Chaykin says, 'umm all right, sorry'

LadyAce ruffles Chaykin's hair playfully.

Ruby says, 'Umm so admin's calm people down huh? I figured they was the ones that pissed people off j/k'

Chunk snickers at Ruby nastily.

Cerberus says to Chaykin, 'applying for the position of scapegoat?'

Vendetta laughs with amusement.

Kaige says, 'it's a tricky job, you kinda have to do both at the same time...'

Kaige giggles.

Ruby says, 'well I'm good at pissing people off'

Sandra says to Ruby, 'well, when I was admin, if I said 'I'll delete you if you don't shush', that usually calmed you down pretty fast =P'

Ruby grins evilly at Sandra.. wonder what he's thinking...

Kaige says, 'you inevitably end up doing the one.. but you have to get them to see that you were justified in doing it.'

Ruby says to Sandra, 'think you told me that a few times :P'

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'you still do that, and you're not admin anymore'

Chaykin giggles.

Chunk says to Sandra, 'and that is why we loved you!'

Sandra giggles.

Sandra says, 'true'

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'and it still works!'

Sandra says, 'it still works, that's why ;)'


Houses in Klein yet?

Vendetta says, 'Did they put in the change so you can buy houses in kelin?'

LadyAce says to Vendetta, 'my update hasn't gone in yet, a bit more testing to go'

Ea! says to LadyAce, 'and a few dholes to slay.'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Ea!.

LadyAce sighs loudly.


What's coding like?

Ruby says, 'stupid question. Is the legend coding anything like Qbasic :P *snicker* I know that stuff good'

Ruby laughs at his own folly.

Ea! says to Ruby, 'No.'

Heineken laughs with amusement.

LadyAce says, 'it's in C :P'

Ruby snickers softly.

Chunk says to Ruby, 'qbasic does however help you learn C better than from scratch'

Chunk says, 'so does pascal and any other language actually'

Heineken says, 'can you even get QBASIC anymore?'

Chunk giggles.

Siachet nods her agreement with Heineken.

Chunk nods his agreement with Heineken.

Chunk says to Heineken, 'hell you can still get basic apple comps =p'

Heineken waves his CP/M disks

HerbertWest chuckles politely at Heineken's feeble witticism.

Lorenzo emulates poking his onboard Z-80 coprocessor.


Can we get someone to look at a draft?

Chaykin says, 'if I get a draft of a proposal done far enough before the due date, will the dept heads (or anyone else) be willing to look it over and make suggestions for changes before I submit it for real?'

LadyAce says, 'we can give you feedback about your project, and any questions you missed'

Chaykin smiles happily.

Chaykin says, 'cool :)'

LadyAce says, 'but we're sort of limited in that, we have to do no more than we'd do for everyone'

Chaykin says, 'well I don't mean anything like special treatment, just kind of a few comments on how it could be improved'

LadyAce says, 'we try to give what feedback we can without telling too much'

Chaykin nods solemnly.


Could banks pay interest?

Vendetta says, 'do you think its a good idea for banks to have ineterest?'

Vendetta says, 'sort of annual income'

LadyAce says, 'I think that is the opposite direction of the kinds of changes the economy needs...'

LadyAce says, 'I think we need more things that cost money, not that give you money'

Vendetta says, 'well the houses do cost money and they should be affordable'

Cerberus says, 'player run banks'

Vendetta chuckles politely.

SkullKrusher says, 'i would like to see more room buildable on ancient houses but i know your all against it'

SkullKrusher ducks to the ground.

SkullKrusher says, 'thats more money :P'

Kaige says, 'more TYPES of things?'

Kaige smiles at SkullKrusher.

LadyAce says to SkullKrusher, 'I don't think we're opposed to more variety in housing...'

SkullKrusher nods his agreement with Kaige.

LadyAce says to SkullKrusher, 'you should suggest your ideas for changes.'

LadyAce says to SkullKrusher, 'use the idea channel'

SkullKrusher says to Kaige, 'what about rentable transprotation for charmies that costs :)'

SkullKrusher grins evilly.

Kaige says, 'what about rentable charmies?'

Kaige giggles.

SkullKrusher says, 'ok i liek that too'


How can morts get more involved?

Chunk says, 'how do you suggest that more morts can get involved in typical immortal things such as trivia's hunts other kind of games..'

Chunk says, 'pk things wars etc'

LadyAce says, 'there's a top 10 list in the last LT with things morts can do to build the community'

LadyAce says, 'and a lot of thoughts from Kaige about it'

Chunk says, 'err mobs that would be needed to use that is for pk and war possibilities'

HerbertWest nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'I suggest checking out that set of posts'

Chunk nods solemnly.

HerbertWest says, 'i read that it wasnt too bad'

Chunk says, 'i read those ;)'

Chunk says, 'hmm maybe im sorta looking for or should say asking how we can do a few things that only imms do currently with out imm help'

Chunk looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says to Chunk, 'I don't think we have any things like that right now'

HerbertWest says, 'yeah can i have the transfer command?'

Chunk laughs with amusement.

HerbertWest giggles.


Do new imms have to stick to that dept?

Chaykin says, 'is it preferred that a new imm stick to the department he or she immorted into, at first, to concentrate on what they proposed, or are we encouraged to take on projects in more than one department if we want to?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'that's why I said pick the one you REALLY want to do'

LadyAce says, 'you can't do more than 1 dept until you've been an imm for a year or so'

LadyAce says, 'and then it's by permission of your department head'

Chaykin nods solemnly.

Chaykin says, 'sounds good'

LadyAce says, 'it's not a tense thing since we deptheads get along pretty good, but it's not a guarantee'

Chaykin nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'usually there's more than enough work in a dept that needs done, it's not like we'd run out of things for you to do :)'

Chaykin giggles.

Chaykin says, 'I like to work'

LadyAce says, 'Sandra would say "go fix typos" and I would say "go update web pages" and Ea would say "go fix bugs"'

Sandra giggles.

Chunk says to LadyAce, 'put us mortals to work then! =p'

LadyAce says, 'and you'd do that til you thought up something you'd rather do :)'

Gondar says, 'I volunteer to fix typos'

Kaige says, 'and then there's always helpfiles'

Kaige throws her head back and cackles with insane glee!

HerbertWest says, 'enslave the lower caste!'

LadyAce says, 'these are all imm-only things.'


Can we have clan wars with kill counts?

Vendetta says, 'I think it would be cool if clans could declare war on another clan and then the mud could keep track how many kills each side has.'

LadyAce says to Vendetta, 'wouldn't be too hard to do that on the news board'

Ea! says to Vendetta, 'define "kill" -- it's very hard for the code to know.'

Vendetta says, 'one clan member kills another from the warrying clan'

Ea! says to Vendetta, 'Multi's would throw things off.'

Ruby says to Ea!, 'good point. alot of fights nowadays tend to lean at the aspect of giving up before an actualy death'

Sandra says, 'was it a fair kill? was it a multi? was it a 3 on 1?'

Chaykin says, 'I don't think we need to make pk into a Quake-ish frag tournament :P'

Vendetta says, 'but both sides could do it'

LadyAce says to Vendetta, 'unless they die of poison, are jumped at 1 hp, rent out like a pansy, blahblahblah'

Kaige says, 'did poison or bleeding actually cause the death?'

LadyAce says, 'or a charmy'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Ruby says, 'eh personaly I'm against the idea of keeping a fight record'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Ruby.

Vendetta says, 'but they idea counts it would encourage PK'

Kaige says, 'if people want to do that.. title works well'

Ruby says, 'let your actions speak for you.'

Chaykin says, 'if you really want to do it, do it yourself, you don't need mud coding to count your victories for you'

Gondar says to Chaykin, 'it would prevernt intentional miscounting though'

Chaykin says to Gondar, 'if someone is going to claim kills they didn't get, don't pk with them :P'

Chaykin says to Gondar, 'it's called having a little honor'

Vendetta says, 'I just want to make the mud more fun, but you are right too'

Gondar says to Chaykin, 'only thing is, there arent many pkers with that kind of honor'

Chaykin says to Gondar, 'I think there are more that at least have the decency to be honest about their record than you give credit for'

Gondar says to Chaykin, 'pardon my scepticism, but I will believe it when I see it'

Chaykin says to Gondar, 'you just need to socialize with those people to "see" it'

Gondar says to Chaykin, 'i see the way they act in pk, no chat,etc, maybe I get the wrong impression from, that but. . .'

Chaykin says to Gondar, 'if you give me evidence that someone fudges their scores I would believe you, but I honestly don't think it happens'

Gondar says to Chaykin, 'I have no evidence of that, I question it only based on other observed behaviour'

Chaykin says to Gondar, 'evidence is all that matters, not assumptions'


How should we answer the questions?

Chunk says, 'ok, now if you are not sure on an app question.. do you suggest looking into it for the perfect or correct answer or should you answer it to the best you can currently with your knowledge?'

HerbertWest says, 'good call!'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think it's a good idea to just write the first thing that comes into your head'

LadyAce says, 'I think that you should consider each question carefully, and tell the truth'

Kaige says, 'or leave the same answer as before if you applied previously'

Chunk says, 'point being the description part of the pr app'

Kaige says, 'if it's not a straight fact question, that is'

Chunk says, 'it was basically concerning the desc part of the pr app'

HerbertWest says, 'the question on the main application about which is worse out of 3 things i chose 2 of em equally am i allowed to do that?'

Chunk says, 'last round i remember answering them without really looking them up etc just honestly to my knowledge'

LadyAce says, 'the harassment question? that one is really up to you, the way it goes'

HerbertWest nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'no one ever gets the harassment one right :P'

Siachet says, 'when you ask what aspect of the mud we least like, how specific is the answer you are looking for...or doesn't it matter?'

Chunk didnt get the answer he was looking for =p

HerbertWest says, 'hahaha my answer to that last question is huge ahah'

LadyAce says, 'well, you should be honest'

LadyAce says, 'if you say "the people" ... we might not imm you, but we'll be thankful for your honesty'

LadyAce winks suggestively at Siachet.

Siachet chuckles politely.

LadyAce says, 'I believe in truth in advertising.'

LadyAce says, 'if you're a jerk, for heaven's sake be one in your app'

LadyAce says, 'If I can't tell who you are from your app, I'll be suspicious.'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

HerbertWest rewrites application.

HerbertWest chuckles politely.

Chunk says, 'so if im dumb at descs on some languages applying to ones name dont look it up be dumb in the app? =p'

Chunk snickers softly.

LadyAce says to Chunk, 'most questions are more about your thinking process than a right or wrong answer'

Chunk says, 'aaaah'

Aginor says, 'there are no right or wrong answers, except for the answers which are wrong.'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Aginor.

Gondar chuckles politely at Aginor's feeble witticism.

Aginor says, 'of course, i'm not imming, but still :P'

Boreas says, 'there are no right or wrong answers, only stupid questions'

Boreas grins evilly.

Siachet says, 'well, thats reassuring :P'

Dashiva says, 'whatcha people wanna imm for? all that work work work no play!'

Chaykin says, 'some of us like to work :P'

Natalia ruffles Dashiva's hair playfully.

Aginor says, 'some of us are clinically insane, too.'

Kaige says to Dashiva, 'different kind of play?'

Dashiva says, 'not if Kaige beats you with a whip'

Chunk says, 'some of us have too much time on our hands =p'

Chunk sighs loudly.

HerbertWest says, 'natural progression from excessive mobkill'

Kaige nonchalantly flips the Great Flaming Spork of Evil Death.

Kaige says, 'no whips'

Dashiva says, 'heh'

Chunk snickers softly.

Dashiva glances at Kaige and begins to twitch nervously.

HerbertWest says, 'its evolution Dashiva'

LadyAce says to HerbertWest, 'that's a dangerous road...not a good reason to apply'

Dashiva says, 'evolution smevolution'

HerbertWest says to LadyAce, 'its not my reason, its the reason a lot of others apply'

LadyAce says, 'If any of you are applying because you're tired of the game or think it's the next thing after being here for a while....save us some time and please don't apply.'

LadyAce says, 'it's nothing like level 51.'

Aginor says, 'it's level 52?'

Boreas says, 'I'll wait a couple more years before applying'


Any plans for a LegendMEET?

Ruby says, 'Havn't been paying much attention latly. Any legend meets in the planning processs?'

Chunk says to Ruby, 'i plan on doing a michigan meet sometime this year'

Chunk says to Ruby, 'or atleast trying again since i didnt get to stay long that one time'

Chunk scuffles his feet around in the dirt.

Ruby says to Chunk, 'realy?'

Chunk nods his agreement with Ruby.

Chunk says to Ruby, 'prolly do it at mount pleasant casino =p'

LadyAce says, 'Some people have tried to talk me into doing one in Chicago. Haven't really decided.'

Chunk throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Ruby cackles gleefully at Chunk - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Ruby says, 'just 30min from my house'

Aginor says, 'nah, chicago's a long drive and i don't want to get shot :P'

Dashiva snickers at Aginor nastily.

Chunk snickers softly.

Vandervecken says to LadyAce, 'we could tour the room where the server is.'

Ruby says, 'sweet I could get all my computers up and get a 8 computer network going if people wana play or something'

LadyAce says, 'we live a few blocks from a youth hostel so it'd be cheap to stay if we ran out of floor space.'

LadyAce says, 'but it's not decided yet'

Aginor says, 'i'm pretty receptive to a michigan meet if it happens before august or so.'

Ruby says to LadyAce, 'I'm still bummed I couldn't help you and Ea! move in'

LadyAce says, 'anyone is free to organize one any time they want to, though'

Chunk says, 'chicago sounds cool'

Gondar says to LadyAce, 'is there any particular format for setting one up?'

Chunk says to Gondar, 'its a pain to organize'

Ruby says, 'yeh Chicago meet would be nice'

LadyAce says, 'nope, just come up with a date and places for people to stay, rest is up to you'

HerbertWest says to Gondar, 'hope not cos im just gonna put on the news board, meet here, drinks and snacks, bring yerselves'

Chunk says, 'problem with michigan is i live in a crappy town and would want it to be either in mount pleasant for casino fun ;) so i can watch yall lose your money orrr kalamazoo'

Aginor snickers softly.

Gondar says to LadyAce, 'reason I was wondering, cause I have never been to one, and until theres one in Cali, i never will'

Aginor says to Chunk, 'yes, mount pleasant.'

Aginor says to Chunk, 'i can drop by after classes :P'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Gondar.

LadyAce says to Gondar, 'organize one then'

Ea! says to Chunk, 'Remember that a fair number of our players are too young to be able to go into a casino.'

Chunk giggles.

Nothing says, 'ew, gambling'

Chunk says to Ea!, 'yeah thats the other bad part =p'

Dashiva peers at himself myopically.

Chaykin may be moving to Cali next winter.

Ruby says to Ea!, 'Casino has a whole floor without the gambaling'

Dashiva says, 'gamblholics?'

HerbertWest says to Gondar, 'i have never either, and until theres one in.. ummm. sydney australia I wont!'

Ruby says, 'so young people are welcome'

LadyAce says to Chunk, 'and that the smoke makes it prohibitive for some people too :P'

Gondar says to LadyAce, 'thats why I was askin, to see if there was anything i need to know'

Vandervecken says, 'there are casinos in Michigan?'

Aginor nods his agreement with Vandervecken.

Ruby says to Vandervecken, 'Indian's own them'

Aginor says to Vandervecken, 'they're called Indians....'

Chunk says to LadyAce, 'bah that means i cant smoke at a meet? =p'

Chunk says to LadyAce, 'hell i brought my own beer and then some last meet =p'

Vandervecken nods his agreement with Aginor.

LadyAce says to Chunk, 'no, just that that's another flaw in casinos, smoke all over the darn place. and sickos.'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Chunk's head.

Ruby says to Chunk, 'bah the one thing I did wrong in my life is start smoke'n cigs'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Ruby says, 'only thing that I regret'

Chunk says to Ruby, 'nod'

Natalia brought beer to TX.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Natalia's head.

Chaykin giggles at Natalia.

Chunk says to Ruby, 'hehe you saw.. i even bought cecil beer that meet'

Chunk snickers softly.

Ruby nods his agreement with Chunk.

Chunk says, 'almost got matts bro drunk too!'

Chunk snickers softly.

Natalia says to Chaykin, 'Spencer wanted to try some local stuff'

Gondar says, 'what would I need to do one? rent a hall? reserve a picnic area at a park? what?'

Chunk is a bad influence =p

Dashiva says, 'bleh now I cant remember what I was going to ask'

Dashiva sobs quietly to himself.

Ruby says, 'Naw actualy I'm against drinking in a situation like a Legend meet'

Chaykin says to Natalia, 'did he like it?'

Vandervecken comforts Dashiva.

Dashiva says, 'it was a doozy to'

LadyAce says to Gondar, 'usually they're over a weekend, so you'd need to organize a party for 30 for 3 days'

Ruby says, 'Want to stay sober so i can get to know my friends from legend better and so they don't see the drunk dick ruby'

Dashiva says, 'was really gonna throw em off!'

Chunk says to Ruby, 'aww it wasnt anything big just coolers ;)'

Natalia says to Chaykin, 'think so'

Chaykin smiles happily.

Dashiva beams at Vandervecken delightedly.

Gondar says to LadyAce, 'how about doin it at a ren faire?'

Gondar chuckles politely.

Dashiva says, 'ren fair!'

Dashiva says, 'then we would fit in!'

Dashiva snickers softly.

Ruby says, 'we did that a few years ago'

Spike says, 'oooooooo mud meet?'

Gondar does a few faires a year

Spike says, 'soooooooooo'

LadyAce says to Gondar, 'the detroit meet, we went to one. went over ok with some people, not others. they're expensive and not interesting to everyone'


Can Clanhalls be spiffier than regular houses?

Chunk says, 'can we make clan buildings something a bit special then the normal buildings a single person can buy? to make them more appealing for one to be in a clan that is'

Gondar nods his agreement with Chunk.

LadyAce says to Chunk, 'I don't think we have any plans to do that, it's intentional that they're the same'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Chunk.

Chunk says, 'it could be either lower rent or maybe descriptions we can get for free on rooms etc'

Chunk says, 'bah!'

Chunk says, 'clan halls should be special darn it!'


Names & Housing

Chaykin says, 'I would like to respectfully ask that you consider toning down the incredibly strict rules on house strings. The rules currently in place put kind of a damper on the RP aspect of owning a house'

LadyAce says, 'those rules are up to the Building imms, they're in their areas'

Chaykin says, 'that's news to me'

Chaykin says, 'I was told by several people that it wasn't allowed period'

LadyAce says, 'and they've said, and I understand why, that they don't want housing rooms customized except with the names.'

Chaykin says, 'well'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'and that's just adding names, i.e. Joe's House instead of The House'

Chaykin says, 'I wasn't even allowed to put my character's last name in their house. Isn't that a little much?'

LadyAce says, 'the idea is that the rooms should fit into the area, etc.'

Ruby says, 'the last name thing i agree with Chaykin on.'

Siachet says, 'what is meant by putting a name in the house?'

Chaykin says, 'I don't see how a last name hinders the feel of the area'

LadyAce says, 'we'll put the full name of a clan into a house'

Chaykin says, 'it's the same thing as the first name'

Ruby says, 'personaly I can't remember my last name... I think it's suposed to be Rod'

Vandervecken says, 'how about ones short desc as a house title'

Aginor says, 'i sorta agree with Chaykin, for some of us our last names are important'

Ruby says, 'Like Gaidal realy loves his Last name... and alot of other people i know do also'

Chaykin says, 'that rule is extremely overbearing IMO, it's stifling to RP and it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. Last names are a big deal to a lot of us'

LadyAce says, 'I don't recall a ruling on when all 3 are in your established desc.'

LadyAce says, 'I can certainly ask.'

Sandra says, 'with some of the descriptions we have here, I would never, ever everever ever want to let them be used in the room name of a house =P'

Ruby nods his agreement with Sandra.

Ruby says, 'although I would like "a Jewel thief's house'

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'but come on. My last name is Doane. With the current rules I couldn't even have Chaykin Doane's house. I think that's too strict'

LadyAce says to Sandra, 'which is why I say if you have pretitle, first, last in your short or long, it might well be acceptable'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Chaykin says, 'the character whose last name was turned down, incidentally, has his first and last name in his short desc'

Chaykin says, 'I just wanted it to have the last name in the house desc because the character wants a family, and to have a family named house instead of just his'

LadyAce says, 'there might be an issue if someone had the name Doane and you had Chaykin, but that's the primary objection I can think of people raising'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'can't that be a judgment call instead of a concrete rule though?'

Vandervecken says to Chaykin, 'better go make and archive Doane'

Gondar says, 'Im just an old mage with a bad attitude, but I dont see that it matters if one has their last name as part of their desc, as long as they have established that they have one, and it is reasonably well-known'

LadyAce says, 'I don't have any discretion in the matter of house naming, all rulings go via the building dept as a whole'

LadyAce says, 'so I'm the wrong tree :) I will inquire on your behalf'

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'okay so, can that be a judgment call?'

Chaykin giggles.

Aginor says to LadyAce, 'you're a tree?'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Aginor.

LadyAce says, 'I think the thing to do is ask the full dept'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Chaykin says, 'what do you mean the full dept?'

LadyAce says, 'all the builders would need to agree to it'

Chaykin says, 'to one single house name??'

Chaykin says, 'oh'

Ruby says to Chaykin, 'so convince Sandra to go for it then have her shoot all the other builders'

Chaykin says, 'to changing the rule you mean?'

LadyAce says, 'to changing the rule.'

Chaykin giggles at Ruby.

Sandra giggles at Ruby.

Chunk snickers softly.

Vandervecken ponders a MUD-wide poll on Chaykin's house name.

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'can you please ask them? All I want is to have "The Doane House" or whatever so my family can live in my house and feel like it's everyone's house, not just mine'

Vi-Kata says to Chaykin, 'you have a family?'

Vi-Kata shudders.

Arrak nods his agreement with Vi-Kata.

Arrak shudders.

Chunk says to Chaykin, 'i thought with a coupon you can string any room to any desc?'

Chunk looks up into the sky and ponders.

Chaykin says to Vi-Kata, 'I'm speaking on behalf of another self'

Chaykin shakes his head in disagreement with Chunk.

Chunk says, 'or am i totally off on that assumption?'

Ruby says to Chunk, 'totally off'

Aginor says to Chunk, 'very probably'

Chaykin says to Chunk, 'all you can do is ask an imm to add your name and someone else's name, first names only, can't change anything else'

Chunk says, 'i thought it applied to items as well as room desc? maybe im wrong'

Chaykin says to Chunk, 'the room name is totally different'

Chaykin says to Chunk, 'and you can't change the room desc :P'

Chunk looks up into the sky and ponders.

Sandra says to Chaykin, 'yea, I'll ask about it'

Chunk says, 'room desc i meant was the name of room'

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'thanks :)'

Sandra says, 'we won't allow room descs in housing to be changed. i can say this right now, so don't ever ask =P'

Aginor says, 'Can we ever change room descs in housing? *flee*'

Chunk says, 'not room desc's i meant room names'

Chunk scuffles his feet around in the dirt.

Chaykin says, 'I don't want to change the descs, they're fine. I just think a little more leeway in the names themselves, especially pertaining to chars' names, wouldn't hurt anyone'

Vandervecken yawns.

Gondar nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Chunk says, 'i thought it was all good to change room names/items in housing with a coupon.. but maybe it was just items..'

Chaykin says to Chunk, 'just items'

Chunk says, 'maybe we should suggest and try to get that then'

Chunk says, 'suggest coupons being able to change the room name'

Chunk says, 'to maybe stuff like.. the gun room or the torture room'

Sandra shakes her head.

Chunk says, 'no?'

Chunk says, 'not a chance we could win that over?'

Chunk scuffles his feet around in the dirt.

Sandra says, 'not really, no'

Ruby says, 'I agree with Chaykin and the last name part but thats all I can see even considering'

Chunk says, 'ok then i have a suggestion for pitts rooms!'

Sandra says, 'idea it for me'

Chunk says to Sandra, 'i will :)'


Is April Fool's day going to be a secret again?

Ruby says, 'is April 1st gonna be a secret again this year or do we get to know about it?'

Kaige says, 'it's always secret'

Ruby whines.

Chunk says, 'oh drat!'

Ea! says to Ruby, 'It'll be a suprise to us, too.'

Ruby says, 'gime a hint plz :P'

Chunk nods his agreement with Ruby.

Ea! giggles.

Ruby whines.

LadyAce says to Ruby, 'it's always a secret because we never have our act together'

Chunk says, 'hint us!!'

Gondar says, 'what about april 1?'

Chunk says, 'can we idea stuff for april fools day?'

Arrak says to Ruby, 'its only feb!'

LadyAce says, 'sure can'

Chunk says, 'i got some evil ideas for it'

Chunk throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Ruby says to Arrak, 'I'm always looking forward to april 1st. ever since my 1st one when i started mudding'

Arrak says to Ruby, 'nod'

Aginor says, 'i think i've been to four of em.'

Gondar says, 'I dubnno. . . whats so special about april 1 around here?'

Arrak says to Gondar, 'who knows'

Ruby says, 'what was last years again?'

Aginor says to Ruby, 'PKOK.'

Kaige says, 'you never know what's going to happen... =)'

Gondar says, 'I dont get it. . .'

Aginor says to Ruby, 'and the SpiffyClan Hall.'

Chunk says, 'boy i already idead like 2 things today this morning =p'

Arrak says to Aginor, 'that was it!!!!'

Arrak says, 'spiffyclan'

Ruby nods his agreement with Aginor.

Kaige says to Gondar, 'it's a day to be silly and not have things count'

Gondar says, 'oh'

Gondar is completely boggled.

Chunk says, 'vorpal squirrels!!'

Aginor says, 'And give me several million coins to finance a house that cost 160k per day :P'

Chunk throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Ruby says, 'personaly I thought the mirror day was fun when all the command's were backwards'


When's the next PK Tourney?

Arrak says to LadyAce, 'when is there going to be a tourney :P'

LadyAce says, 'I'm thinking about a tourney on feb 14th actually'

Arrak says, 'what kind?'

LadyAce says, 'i need to pick a format for it, see war board'

Arrak says, 'I have'

Arrak says, 'didnt think you posted what kind it was.'

Aginor says, 'let mobs enter! :P'

Arrak says, 'every person posted a different idea heh'

Sandra ruffles Aginor's hair playfully.

Ruby nods his agreement with Aginor.

LadyAce says, 'I haven't picked the format yet, is what I'm sayin'

Arrak nods solemnly.

Arrak says, 'ok'

Ruby says, 'I say have an area with all the LoP mobs in it for the turny'

Ruby grins evilly.

Chunk says, 'i would really still love to see a clan oriented pk tourney'

Gondar nods his agreement with Chunk.

Arrak says, 'lots of bs clans would form'

Arrak says, 'bs clans w/ the best pkers'

Chunk says, 'nah im talking of actual real clans'

Arrak says, 'those would be real clans..'

Chunk says, 'actual clans being more then 8 members active'

Arrak says, 'hah'

Arrak says, 'all clans are active when they start'

Aginor says to Chunk, 'DE wasn't a real clan until february 15, 1999.'

Gondar says, 'actual clans bein more than a month old'

Chunk shrugs helplessly.

Arrak says, 'give me a break.'

Chunk nods his agreement with Gondar.

Kaige says, 'thanks for coming guys'

Kaige waves happily.

Kaige gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Kaige waves happily.

LadyAce waves happily.

LadyAce says, 'goodnight all'


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