Lecture Series Index

April 19th, 2001

Q & A Index

Topics Covered

Dagger of Ice
Duplicate Spell Messages?
Frost Bolt HelpFile?
What were all the crashes?
Shoot & Stun Bug?
Dispel Magic Default to Caster?
Align & Greater Summon
Warning when Summons Poof?
Mind Eq & AC?
Longer Reject Timers?
Why is AC so wacky?
Progress on Create Healing
Thanks For Watching Language
GangWars & Tourneys?
Accept All Arena?
Help Wine/Drunk not fixed
Gangwars Rankings as Whois?
Cause Charms Limits
Cause vs Create Fuzzier
Twohanded weapon stats?
Mana costs in helps and cast levels
Upcoming: DSL status

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Dagger of Ice

Tobias says, 'Was there any deciding factor in not having Dagger of Ice use its special as much as Sword of Flame?'

Tobias peers around the room intently.

LadyAce says, 'well, it wasn't my call or anything :)'

Sandra says, 'no'

Sandra giggles.

Mikhail giggles at Sandra.

Chanel says, 'well, for one, there is no protection from ice spell :p'

Arrak says, 'detect illsuion'

Arrak pokes Chanel in the ribs.

Chanel says, 'hmm, true'

Kaige says to Chanel, 'but there are items that provide it out there'

LadyAce says, 'the ice spells obey resist FREEZE? or are we not saying?'

LadyAce says, 'or did someone try it and can say? :)'

Mikhail says, 'try what'

LadyAce says, 'using resist freeze to help against the dagger'

Arrak says, 'thats a new spell or are you talking about amulets or something?'

Chaykin says, 'there's a resist freeze spell?'

Semirhage says, 'no'

Mikhail says, 'I no do spells, I shoot people'

LadyAce says, 'not a spell, but maybe there's an item? I don't *know* I'm just suggesting it as a possibility if you're getting nailed by the dagger.'

Arrak says, 'oh :)'


Duplicate Spell Messages?

Semirhage says to Ea!, 'I get a duplicate message when I dispel magic myself too'

Semirhage says to Ea!, 'I see like the room act and the one it sends to me'

Tobias says, 'a lot of spells seem to do that...'

Ea! says to Semirhage, 'Bug report that?'

Semirhage says, 'I think I did'

Tobias says, 'I've been catching that with beam of pain from mobbies and stuffs.'

Chaykin smiles happily.

LadyAce says, 'Hm, same with douse.'

Chanel says to Ea!, 'water walk does that too'

Semirhage says, 'its been fixed'

Semirhage says, 'read the welcome'

LadyAce says, 'I wonder if it's a typo in one place messing up for lots of people'

Semirhage says, 'I don't use that spell too costly'

Straussy says, 'hi'

Semirhage says, 'and it constantly fails :P'

Arrak chuckles politely.


Frost Bolt HelpFile?

Chanel says, 'ummm, the help file for frost bolt says there has to be sufficient water in the room. I areasight, still see no water source in a room, yet, the dagger does the special. wtf? :p'

Arrak giggles at Chanel.

Semirhage says, 'the dagger casts it anywhere, which is a good thing'

Sandra says, 'the dagger and the frost bolt spell aren't the same thing'

Chanel looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kaige says, 'dagger is more powerful magic than the mage casting it alone.'

Chanel says, 'ahh, I see.'

Arrak nods solemnly.

Chanel says, 'thought it was the same message.'

Semirhage says, 'it is'

Sandra shakes her head.

Sandra says, 'different messages'

Semirhage says, 'in case you haven't noticed, weapon spells are never the same as the real thing'

Chanel hasn't played much with the spell.

Chanel says, 'love the dagger, tho'

Semirhage says, 'for example the tridents immolate does incredibly crappy damage compared to the mage spell'

LadyAce says to Chanel, 'does that answer your question?'

Chanel nods her agreement with LadyAce.


What were all the crashes?

Mikhail says, '1) what caused the crashes aside from corrupt pfiles which supposedly were fixed'

Tobias says, 'Evil bad death bug?'

Sandra says, 'wasn't a pfile problem'

LadyAce says, 'some code bug that Rufus fixed spiffily'

Sandra says, 'I told you that already =P'

Semirhage says, 'we had crashes?'

Mikhail says, 'rufus did work? *duck*'

Chanel snickers softly.

Kae sinks her teeth into Mikhail's flesh.

Chanel laughs with amusement.

Tobias says, 'He faked work. I did all the work, actually.'

Tobias nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

LadyAce says, 'Rufus rules, he just works behind the scenes.'

Kaige says, 'Friday and Tuesday we crashed 10 ticks after someone died until that fix went in.'

Tobias says, 'I put on my rufus mask and jumped into his chair.'

Semirhage says, 'rufus is sweet'

Chaykin says to Tobias, 'I gave you moral support'

Tobias nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Tobias says to Chaykin, 'And brought the soda ^_~'

Chaykin giggles.

Chaykin nods his agreement with Tobias.

Chanel says, 'I think Rufus rocks.'

Mikhail says, 'what scene? everquest scene ? :)


Shoot & Stun Bug?

Mikhail says, '2 ) has my shoot stun bug been looked into'

Arrak says to Mikhail, 'stun bug?'

Ea! says, 'which shoot stun bug?'

Arrak says, 'are you complaining about stunning a lot ? :)'

Mikhail says, 'everytime I get a shoot stun...it repeats the mob is stunned message foilowed by you are already standing'

Ea! says, 'Oh, that one.'

Ea! giggles.

Mikhail giggles at Ea!.

LadyAce says, 'hm, does that happen to everyone?'

LadyAce wonders if you have triggers :P

Mikhail says, 'seems you are aware :)'

Chaykin says, 'I don't get that'

Semirhage says, 'me either'

Arrak says, 'I've noticed that too, but I dont really care :)'

Semirhage says, 'but, I don't use triggers'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Ea! says, 'I think that's an autorush bug, but since it's mainly cosmetic, it hasn't been a high priority.'

Mikhail says, 'I get it, but I have no triggers for that'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Mikhail says, 'was just curious'


Dispel Magic Default to Caster?

Semirhage says, 'could you make the dispel magic spell default to caster?'

Semirhage says, 'it wastes 45 mana if you don't type anyones name after it, including your own'

Chanel nods her agreement with Semirhage.

Chanel says to Semirhage, 'thank you, I meant to bring that up'

Ea! says, 'I think we'd rather just pull the mana cost if it doesn't have a valid target.'

Semirhage says, 'hm'

Ea! says, 'Other than the 4 or whatever it takes to do the chant itself.'

Semirhage says, 'okay...why can't it default though :P'

Mikhail says, 'most spells default'

Semirhage nods her agreement with Mikhail.

Semirhage says, 'almost all that aren't aggressive'

LadyAce says, 'good spells default. mean spells don't'

Ea! says, 'I don't want to make it default because then we'll hear a lot of complaints when someone dispells their str. spell, sink, etec.'

Semirhage says, 'dispel isn't a mean spell'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

LadyAce says, 'which category does dispel fall into? It is situational, could be bad or good.'

Mikhail says, 'weaken armor yells at you even :)'

Ea! says to Semirhage, 'It can be, depending on the situation.'

Sandra says, 'it is against someone else tho'

Chanel nods her agreement with Ea!.

Kaige says to Ea!, 'hmmm... should dispel magic also dispel charmies *halo*'

Semirhage says, 'I dispel myself to get ooc'

Chaykin says, 'dispel can be a mean spell, I've been mean to lots of dandelions and snowdrops with it'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Chaykin's head.

Mikhail says, 'ooh!'

Semirhage says, 'anyway'

Semirhage says, 'however you see to fix it would be nice'

Chanel says, 'against a cause mage, dispel is very mean ;)'


Align & Greater Summon

Semirhage says, 'I'm trying to understand this new alignment thing, I was wondering what you could tell me, sandra tried explaining and I'm still confused so I'm wondering if anyone else could try :P'

Semirhage says, 'alignment thing in relation to greater charmies'

Semirhage hugs Sandra.

Ea! says, 'Oh, right! I need to fix that bug.'

Ea! giggles.

Sandra nods her agreement with Ea!.

Sandra giggles.

Ea! says, 'Basically, we're trying to make it so swapping aligns on your greater summonings isn't a good idea.'

Semirhage says, 'I've noticed'

Semirhage says, 'even though I don't agree :)'

Semirhage says, 'considering how easy it is to take out a greater charmie'

Semirhage says, '*ahem blind and dispel magic*'

Semirhage says, 'not to mention they are timed'

Semirhage says, 'and cost an exhorbant amount of mana'

Semirhage says, 'anyway :)'

Sandra says, 'and have tons of hp'

Ea! says, 'You're only meant to have one of them.'

Sandra says, 'and a special'

Semirhage says, 'mine have 410 hp'

Sandra says, 'and can be equipped'

Semirhage says, 'my dopples have 150 more then that'

Semirhage says, 'and can be equiped'

Sandra says, 'and have better stats. Should I go on? ;)'

Chaykin says, 'my level 41's greaters are usually between 450-600 hp'

Semirhage says, 'well'

Semirhage says, 'greater summons are worthless as tanks'

Chanel says, 'a greater equals 20 homo's.. I say use the homo's. :p'

Semirhage says, 'dopples are incredibly cheaper and more disposable'

Sandra giggles.

LadyAce says to Semirhage, 'does that answer your question?'

Semirhage says, 'greater summons are the only really aggresive/damage charmies'

Semirhage says, 'not really'

Semirhage says, 'the board said it was possible to have 2 but harder'

Semirhage says, 'but I can't figure it out :P'

Chanel nods her agreement with Semirhage.

LadyAce says to Semirhage, 'Well, you can have 2 at the same time, but they can't meet each other.'

Semirhage says, 'well'

Semirhage says, 'thats fine ladyace'

Chanel rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Semirhage says, 'but I made an angel and he poofed and I didn't have a titan'

Chanel says to Semirhage, 'same here.'

Semirhage says, 'or is that the bug ?'

LadyAce says, 'well, but if they have a different align than you, they react.'

Semirhage sighs loudly.

Semirhage says, 'then its impossible to have 2'

Semirhage says, 'your going in circles'

LadyAce says, 'unless they don't see you when you have a contradictory align'

Semirhage says, 'oh my god'

Tobias laughs with amusement.

LadyAce says, 'example: make an angel, store it somewhere'

Semirhage says, 'so I have to run away every tick?'

LadyAce says, 'change your align, make a titan.'

Tobias says, 'Then go warg!'

Semirhage says, 'thats incredibly worthless'

LadyAce says, 'use the titan, change back, go get the angel'

Semirhage says, 'you might as well have just made it impossible'

LadyAce says, 'it's supposed to be worthless'

LadyAce says, 'it's a shortcutted way to prevent a problem we were having with people getting 2'

Semirhage says, 'I like your idea of they can't see each other'

Semirhage says, 'but why do they have to react to align?'

Peer says, 'have a titan, make him rest, go somewhere else, change align, make a demon or angel, when it's dead, change alignment back and get your titan right?'

Semirhage says, 'isn't them seeing each other and exploding enough?'

LadyAce says, 'Angels don't want to follow evil masters'

Semirhage says, 'I'm not evil'

Semirhage says, 'I'm neutral'

Semirhage says, 'and damn close to good at that'

Tobias says, 'Then be more nice ^_~'

Semirhage rolls her eyes heavenward.

LadyAce says, 'well, they don't like neutral masters either.'

Semirhage says, 'its all about aligned gear tobias'

Semirhage says, 'I would if I could, god knows I would'

Semirhage says, 'I'd go evil or good'

Arrak says, 'titans arent that good :)'

Tobias says to Semirhage, 'Work a set around skills instead of stats, then, if you want two so badly ^_~'

Semirhage says, 'but its completely impossible'

Semirhage sighs loudly.

Chaykin says, 'more and more eq is align restricted it seems'

LadyAce says, 'does this make it clearer? We weren't trying to add a feature, just shortcut and avoid a problem.'

Peer says, 'and I love it!!'

Peer cheers wildly!

Semirhage says, 'I've spent hours and hours on lists that don't work because of this change, blah'

Tobias says, 'Aligned EQ is nice...'

Peer nods his agreement with Tobias.

Semirhage says, 'I didn't even want 2 charmies, I just wanted an angel :P'

Semirhage says, 'titans are crap compared to angels and demons'

Tobias says to Semirhage, 'Send me a mudmail, I'll try and help ya out.'

Semirhage chuckles politely at Tobias's feeble witticism.

Arrak giggles at Tobias.

LadyAce says, 'well, align restriction is a way to make gear cheaper as well as more interesting. If it gets to be too crazy, we can adjust it.'

Semirhage says to Tobias, 'I don't think you realize how impossible it is'

Peer says to LadyAce, 'noooooooooo'

Tobias says to Semirhage, 'Sure don't. That should help.'

Semirhage says to Tobias, 'it took me 2.5 hours to get a list I'm happy with the first time'

Semirhage says to Tobias, 'gaidal spend 2 hours too'

Peer says to LadyAce, 'more aligned equipment'

Tobias shrugs helplessly.

LadyAce smiles at Peer.

Semirhage shrugs helplessly.

LadyAce says, 'at any rate.'

Tobias says, 'Send me a mudmail, dagnabit ^_~'

Chaykin says to Peer, 'you're nuts'

Semirhage says, 'anyway I guess I'm done'

Peer says to LadyAce, 'it makes alignment really _do_ something'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'your turn to ask.'

Semirhage says, 'incredibly depressed, but done'

Arrak comforts Semirhage.

Semirhage wishes titans didn't suck....

Semirhage sighs loudly.

Peer says to Chaykin, 'perhaps, but doesn't it seem odd that alignment have just about no effect on the game?'

Peer shuts up so we can get on.


Warning when Summons Poof?

Chaykin says, 'okay I have two questions as well, the first goes nicely right along with the gsummon topic :)'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Chaykin says, 'would it be possible to give maybe one tick of warning before a (non-ultimate-control) gsummon poofs? I've had several poof that were carrying my eq, and the eq poofs with them'

Semirhage says, 'like ultimates exist'

Semirhage chuckles politely.

LadyAce says, 'the problem there is that the charmy doesn't know before it poofs'

Chaykin says, 'well, out of maybe 40 I've cast, I've had 1 :P'

Semirhage says, 'make it so we can cast time sight on it :P'

LadyAce says, 'it's not a timed thing'

Tobias says, 'Make it just drop the EQ when it poofs.'

LadyAce says, 'it's a random thing'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Tobias.

Chaykin says, 'that'd work too'

Sandra says, 'we can make them rem all/drop all before they poof. That's about the extent of it tho'

LadyAce says, 'Sandra's call.'

Tobias says to Sandra, 'That'd fix it, though ^_~'

Peer cheers for Sandra - huzzah!

Semirhage says, 'unless your in the agrabah dump, hehe'

LadyAce giggles at Semirhage.

Arrak says, 'or in a house :)_'

Tobias says to Semirhage, 'And we all know what a populated place that is ^_~'

Semirhage says, 'or a house, good point'

LadyAce says, 'in a house it'd be unowned, it wouldn't become owned'

Arrak says, 'an illusion'


Mind Eq & AC?

Chaykin says, 'part 2 is a general observation, why does it seem like so much of the +mind eq in the game has no AC bonus?'

Semirhage says, 'like kestrals? :P'

Chaykin says, 'kestrels, PD mind boots, silver rings...'

Sandra says, 'not all eq will have an ac bonus.'

LadyAce says, 'hrm...+mind with no AC. Could be because of the sort of mind gear you're looking at -- jewelry doesn't give a lot of AC'

Chaykin says, 'yeah but there's a lot of mind eq with no ac'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'well'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'there are rings with as much as -10 AC. and there are certainly boots with decent AC'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think it's an intentional trend in and of itself.'

Chaykin says, 'I went to equip my mage, and it seemed really hard to find mind eq with any AC at all, if not very little'

Sandra says, 'I don't know of any rings that give a flat -10ac'

Kaige says, 'depends on the builder and what all they want to put on the object. They may be trying to balance other things as well, that aren't so obvious.'

Arrak says, '-7 is the ebst I know'

LadyAce says, 'suggest the items you think are lacking, on idea.'

Chaykin says, '-9'

Semirhage says, 'I thought those were 7'

Arrak says, 'those arent -8?'

Sandra says, 'I'll keep with my statement ;)'

Arrak says, 'er 7'

Tobias grins evilly at Sandra.. wonder what he's thinking...

Arrak says to Chaykin, 'its very possible to make a mage with high ac'

Chaykin says to Arrak, 'Didn't say it wasn't possible. I only said it seems that a disproportionate amount of mind stuff has no ac bonus'


Longer Reject Timers?

Arrak says, 'well..I know I havent been here often enough to know everything you've talked about..and I havent read the posts on the site. but would this be dismissed or something we could think about...having a bigger timer for pkok?'

Sandra says, 'an hour isn't long enough?'

Arrak says, 'well..I noticed the other day that just walking around the mud...my timer was suddenly at 10'

Semirhage says, 'I don't know as how a longer timer would solve anything'

Arrak says, 'at about 10 ticks I get into a fight'

Arrak says, 'lets say double..it will take a bit of manuvering to not be in a fight which is cool.'

LadyAce says, 'you mean double the reject timer? I'm not sure which timer you are referring to.'

Semirhage says, 'he wants the pk timer doubled'

Arrak says, 'yeah reject timer'

Semirhage says, 'the 48 tick timer'

Arrak says, 'sorry about that'

Semirhage says, '48 ticks = 1 hour'

Semirhage says, 'give or take'

LadyAce says, 'So you are saying that an hour was too short a time for you to get your revenge on someone?'

Arrak says, 'it wasnt a matter of revenge'

Sandra says, 'I dunno why we need a longer timer ;) an hour seems plenty of time'

Arrak says, 'fine, ok.'

Vampyr says, 'i've had ppl sit in 1 person rooms for an hour on me before :P'

Semirhage says, 'throw at them'

Semirhage says, 'it resets timer'

Sandra nods her agreement with Semirhage.

Vampyr apparently doesn't have the skill throw.

LadyAce says, 'I'm listening, I'm just trying to see where that time would be useful.'

Semirhage says, 'the general concensus is pk isn't changing'

Semirhage says, 'if you want to pk, join a clan and hope this clan thing takes off'

Semirhage says, 'if it doesn't, well then its officially dead'

Vampyr nods his agreement with Semirhage.

Ea! says, 'Do you think that they wouldn't sit for 2 hours?'

Vampyr says to Ea!, 'once it gets high enuff hehe, ppl have to get off before then :P'

Arrak says, 'It would take quite a toll on timed eq too'

Arrak says, 'and its not always about "revenge"'

Arrak says, 'just the general PK scene.'

Arrak shrugs helplessly.

DrSlice says, 'burbleing?'

LadyAce says, 'So it'd make accepting more of a committment than it is now, you mean?'

Ea! says to Vampyr, 'I think that the problem is -- people being forced to sit in a room for two hours since you're sitting outside and then when they do leave, it's because they need to go to dinner/class/whatever and are then killed...'

Peer says, 'that would only benefit those who never rejects'

Ea! says, '....I think that's the problem that pkok is trying to fix.'

Vampyr shrugs helplessly.

Vampyr says, 'i didn't wait :P'

Arrak says, 'well thats a good point LA, it makes sense.'

Ea! says, 'Sorry for the grammar in that sentance.'

Vampyr says, 'i don't usually waste my time with ppl who don't wanna fight back'

Vampyr says, 'but if the person has really peeved me off :P then i tend to stick around'

Arrak giggles at Vampyr.

LadyAce says, 'I think individual rejects should probably stay as they are for the reason Ea outlined...do you think it would help for reject all or reject timer to be longer, I mean?'

Semirhage nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Vampyr says, 'i think the accept all/reject all is too easy :P'

Semirhage says, 'I was doing to say that before the phone rang'

Semirhage says, 'maybe just make aa double'

LadyAce says, 'if so, post on discussion and we can see what other people think.'

Arrak says, 'well, it could, though I have not experienced an entire clan rejecting someone.'

DrSlice says to LadyAce, 'how long is a mud day in ticks?'

Vampyr says to Arrak, 'i have :P'

Ea! says to Vampyr, 'There's a 48 tick timer on accept all now...'

Vampyr says, 'i know what the ticks are:P'

Semirhage says, '48 ticks = 1 mud day = 1 rl hour'

Vampyr says, 'for accept all/reject all'

DrSlice nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'each mud half hour = a tick'

DrSlice nods solemnly.

Vampyr yawns.

LadyAce says, 'Okie, let's move on.'


Why is AC so wacky?

Peer says, 'this could pretty much be considered flame bait, but is my honest opinion'

Peer says, 'have you considered some sort of sense in AC ?'

Peer says, 'I mean, a wilderness girls uniform has more AC than a suit of platemail'

Semirhage chuckles politely.

Kae snickers at Peer nastily.

LadyAce says, 'well, some AC comes from "magic" and some comes from "material"'

Semirhage says, 'ac is a big deal today'

LadyAce says, 'if you get it from "magic" then you pay a premium for it'

Peer says, 'erf?'

LadyAce says, 'if you get it from the material itself, it is cheaper.'

Boreas gives a quick polish to a breastplate engraved with a knight chesspiece insignia. It now shines brightly.

Kaige says, 'everyone just likes to get the other bonuses that are easier to justify with the "magical"'

Peer says, 'ah'

LadyAce says, 'by "cheap" I mean the rent cost, not the price.'

Peer says, 'umm, but anyway, klein armors are still more expensive than a red suit jacket'

Peer says, 'rent-wise'

Peer says, 'and lower ac'

Sandra says, 'it's bad to compare klein as its going thru a facelift'

Vampyr says, 'red suit jacket is lowwww'

Kaige says, 'are they easier to get?'

Peer says, 'to me it just don't make sense that 's all'

Vampyr says, 'that's one of the exceptions'

Kae says to Peer, 'you're ignoring, plattenruestungs have stats'

Peer says, 'so has red suit jacket'

Kae says, 'ah, yes'

Tobias says, 'Red suit jacket has really really good AC ^^;'

Vampyr says, 'hehe like -27 or so :P'

Peer says, 'much better than plattenruestungs to be frank'

Semirhage says, 'more'

Tobias says, '32, I think.'

Vampyr chuckles politely.

Semirhage takes off her red suit jacket.

Semirhage puts on her red suit jacket.

Semirhage says, 'mine is 32'

Boreas takes off her red suit jacket.

Boreas says, 'mine is 28'

Boreas puts on her red suit jacket.

Vampyr says, 'nice'

Tobias says, 'Quite the jacket. Must be that new bullet-proof stuff ^^;'

Semirhage says, 'the kangaroo cloak, the all align version, is like 15'

Semirhage says, 'same rent'

Peer says, 'all I'm saying is that you might wanna keep an eye on that since you are trying to keep this mud somewhat umm... logical'

Tobias says, 'its damaged.'

Peer says, 'like, no other than human chars etc'

Semirhage says, 'its damaged'

Vampyr says, 'yea 1 damage is like 3 ac for that'

Vampyr says, '2 probably :P'

Yui looks up into the sky and ponders.

Boreas says, 'oh, yeah it is'

Peer says, 'the whole image of a person with a necktie and a bowler-hat being better armored than someone in a full set of platemail is just confusing to me, that's all'

Kaige says, 'well, with strung eq, you're gonna get that anyway'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

LadyAce says to Peer, 'we do try to watch it, but if you see an item that seems out of whack, alert us to it'

Semirhage says, 'its the magical aspect'

Semirhage says, 'it does seem that some armors should be more ac then they are'

Semirhage says, 'and I wouldn't agree that "armors" are less ac then magical tunics'

Peer says, 'then imho the magical aspect of ac is overrated'

Peer shrugs philosophically.

Semirhage says, 'perfect examples would be lughs armor, that armor from greece with the kraken, few others'

Peer says, 'did you notice the rent on lughs coat?'

Semirhage says, 'like 4500'

Peer says, 'compare it to red suit jacket will you?'

Semirhage says, 'but its practically indistructable'

Semirhage says, 'and its on body'

Semirhage says, 'coat is about body'

Semirhage says, 'about bodys are inherently better ac then on body'

Tobias says, 'Kinda weird, that.'

Tobias says, 'You'd think the slot that's actually more on you would be more defense ^_~'

Semirhage shrugs helplessly.

Semirhage says, 'don't ask me'

Tobias says, 'Rather than the cape-type stuff.'

DrSlice says, 'lughs coat is on bosy'

Ea! says, 'Best thing to do is to bug them so that the proper builder can look at it.'

Peer says, 'ouch, that will be a lot of bugreports'

DrSlice says, 'and gets damaged a bit too easily I think'

Semirhage says, 'how are we supposed to know whats "buggy" and whats not'

Ea! says to Peer, 'We get tons of them. Don't worry about it.'

Tobias says, 'bug 'em all and let the builders sort 'em out ^_~'

LadyAce says, 'well, it won't hurt to inquire or report it'

Peer says, 'but, will it be acknowledged as a bug unless you people consider what is reasonable?'

Peer says, 'I doubt it'

Sandra says, 'we have set limits on what ac an item in each slot can have'

Sandra says, 'I should actually say set max limits'

Peer blinks.

Boreas says, 'I think there are too many items with no ac'

Boreas sniffs sadly at a silver ring.

Chaykin says, 'maybe if some more decent industrial areas go in, there won't be so many magical items'

Semirhage says, 'ac doesn't seem to have much impact in mobkill'

Semirhage says, 'probably because most mobs have all 100's'

Peer says, 'I personally think there are too many items with too much ac, but then again, I'm wierd and want aligned eq too'

Chaykin says to Peer, 'you are weird'


Progress on Create Healing

Semirhage says, 'I was just going to ask if any progress was being made on the create healing problem'

Tobias says, 'problem?'

Semirhage says, 'as in if you want to eat roots you have to starve thus never heal mana while meditating'

LadyAce says, 'I think we have proposals on the floor being discussed by the imm staff but no decisions.'

Semirhage nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Semirhage says, 'alright'

DrSlice says, 'starving cuts mana regen?'

Semirhage says, 'yea'

Emrysia nods solemnly.

DrSlice chuckles politely.

Semirhage says, 'it cuts all regen'

DrSlice says, 'never knew that'

Semirhage says, 'severely'


Thanks For Watching Language

Emrysia says, 'I don't know if this really counts as a question, i'm fairly new here, and i just wanted to thank all you immortals for making a really great mud.'

Emrysia blushes bright red.

Kae bounces onto Emrysia's lap.

Kaige smiles at Emrysia.

LadyAce smiles at Emrysia.

Sandra giggles.

Emrysia says, 'i especially appreciate the language rules and that you enforce them'

Kaige says to Emrysia, 'Thanks on behalf of everyone.'

Peer nods his agreement with Emrysia.

LadyAce says, 'positive feedback is ever so welcome :)'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'well...we do our best with the language stuff.'

Chaykin says, 'unless it's late'

Chaykin ducks to the ground.

DrSlice says, 'language smanguage'

Emrysia says, 'well, i've been reading the logs of the q&a's and i noticed positive feedback was at a minimum'

Emrysia giggles.

LadyAce says, 'We still do our best...we can't really *do* things if we're not here :P'

Emrysia nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'at 4am, my best = sleeping :)'

Sandra giggles.

Tobias says, 'A good accomplishment ^_~'

LadyAce nods to herself - she must be getting senile.

Emrysia says, 'but i've been on other muds where every second word is **** ...'

Peer says, 'because people take good things for granted, and only object when something bad happens'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Emrysia.

Emrysia says, 'so you're doing really well'

LadyAce says to Emrysia, 'I know what you mean, I've been by a few places like that.'


GangWars & Tourneys?

Tobias says, 'When you said you were going to evaluate gangwars, what exactly did you mean?'

LadyAce says, 'well, I've collected geosynchronous data mapping all the subjects, and created a model which produces optimum results'

Tobias peers around the room intently.

Tobias grins evilly at LadyAce.. wonder what he's thinking...

LadyAce says, 'By evaluate, I just mean talk to people about how they think it went and what should be different next time'

Tobias says to LadyAce, 'I mean, are you deciding on whether to run it again, or what impact it had on players, or what?'

Tobias nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Semirhage says, 'definately run again'

LadyAce says, 'a few new people tried pk after the gangwars, but not as many as I'd like'

Tobias says, 'More than none ^_~'

Peer nods his agreement with Tobias.

Ryan pk'ed twice today! It's a record!

LadyAce says, 'some of them mentioned that they wished it was more of a group-tactics sort of challenge, instead of a spamfest'

Peer says to LadyAce, 'from what I know people are doing stuff in trusted groups, because on this mud it _counts_'

Tobias says, 'There were good group tactics.'

Peer nods his agreement with Tobias.

Tobias says, 'They just got harder to pull off in chaos ^_~'

Semirhage says, 'you want tactics'

LadyAce says, 'well, people might have a strategy for their group, but they didn't employ a lot of tactics.'

Tobias says, 'We should hook up in roger wilco ^^;'

Semirhage says, 'play stock char gang wars style'

DrSlice says, 'just yank the damn pk code and be done with all the stupidity'

Semirhage laughs at DrSlice.

Tobias bonks DrSlice on the head!

Kae goes ACK TTTHHHHHPPPPPTTTTT! all over DrSlice - what a mess!

Semirhage says, 'don't think that'd solve much'

Peer sinks his teeth into DrSlice's flesh.

Peer nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Semirhage says, 'then we could be LegendMUSH'

Semirhage says, 'or MOO, depending on how we felt'

DrSlice laughs at Semirhage.

Tarquin says, 'dont like the ring to that'

Semirhage says, 'what'

Semirhage says, 'you don't wanna play LegendMOO'

LadyAce says, 'so anyway, that's what I meant by evaluate'

Tobias grins evilly.

Emrysia says, 'i love that i have a choice to pk or not, i was tired of being pkilled as a lowbie on other muds'

Semirhage says, 'new and improved, hoof and mouth disease free'

Emrysia giggles.

Tobias nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'try to think about a way to make the event include more tactics without getting really bogged down in the procedure of it all'

Semirhage says, 'tactics don't really exist in pk'

Semirhage says, 'noone lives long enough to employee tactics'

Huginn says to LadyAce, 'smaller # of teams on the field maybe?'

Tobias says, 'If you want more tactics, play Tribes'

Tobias giggles.

Tarquin waves happily.

Semirhage says, 'yea'

Semirhage says, 'legend isn't really a tactics game :)'

LadyAce says, 'well, but with a smaller number of teams, I worry that they won't be a fair comparison to each other'

Kaige says, 'bigger field?'

Semirhage says, 'do it like professional sports'

Semirhage says, 'everyone fights each other once or twice'

Semirhage says, 'then have like a playoffs :P'

Semirhage says, 'or, whoever did the best in the normal part goes to the finals automaticly'

LadyAce says, 'well, if the groups were interested in sticking around that long, it might work out ok'

Semirhage says, 'if they don't show up they forfeit that week'

Tobias says, 'Depends on when we have it.'

Tobias says, 'Saturday, middle of day, is kinda bad.'

LadyAce says, 'I just worry about the time, people complain that the normal ones take too long'

Emrysia says, 'or have different catergories for the different levels ?'

Peer says, 'so you are proposing a chaos-fight qualification rounds?'

Peer says, 'and a group on group final?'

Semirhage says, 'no. look at, for example, the red wings schedule'

Peer says, 'cause I don't think that would work very well'

LadyAce says, 'hm, that could be a good approach though'

Semirhage says, 'its preset before the season'

Semirhage says, 'they play through it'

Peer says to LadyAce, 'I disagree'

Semirhage says, 'they play everyone several times'

Tobias says, 'I think its a good idea...'

Semirhage says, 'the inherent problem is everyone showing up regularly'

Tobias says, 'Well...'

Tobias says, 'If its team vs. team...'

Tobias says, 'Just set a deadline.'

LadyAce says, 'well, I wouldn't do last-man-standing as a way to sift out teams, but the most-kills approach seems to yield pretty reasonable results'

Tobias says, 'And if the two teams don't report, they forfeit points.'

Semirhage says, 'are you still going to have an all-star game ladyace?'

STRESS says, 'are we doing gangwars again???'

DrSlice says, 'well. . all this pk foolishness is getting boring'

LadyAce says, 'just talkin about how to do it better'

STRESS says, 'I didn't get to participate in them, but they sounded fun :)'

Tobias says to STRESS, 'they were!'

Semirhage says, 'well, maybe to accomodate times you could set up 2 or 3 times a week when its possible to do it'

STRESS says to Tobias, 'kewl :P'

LadyAce says to Peer, 'how would you suggest approaching it?'

Tobias nods his agreement with Semirhage.

LadyAce says, 'true, if x and y must fight, then they need to pick times when they can do it'

LadyAce says, 'it's kinda less of an 'event' then tho'

Tobias says to LadyAce, 'The final rounds will be the event.'

Semirhage says, 'its more of an event'

Tobias says to LadyAce, 'You can cover it on the board.'

Semirhage says, 'its like sports'

Semirhage says, 'you can go multiple times a week'

Tobias says to LadyAce, 'So you get a lot of anticipation on the finals ^_~'

Semirhage says, 'not as many teams play every time, but its more spread out'

Semirhage nods her agreement with Tobias.

Semirhage says, 'it would be fun'

Peer says, 'I kinda like the weekly match idea.'

Peer shrugs philosophically.

Semirhage says, 'kinda like a spectator sport'

Tobias says to Semirhage, 'We could even gamble on it ^_~'

Semirhage says, 'you can go watch the other teams play'

STRESS grins evilly at Tobias.. wonder what he's thinking...

Peer says, 'the knights tourney ruled for spectators'

Semirhage says, 'cheer on the guys who won't hurt your score :P'

Tobias nods his agreement with Peer.

Peer says, 'though not enough rooms'

Tobias says, 'knight's tourney was great! Adapt something like that with a bigger area!'

Blankey says, 'i never saw it'

Peer nods his agreement with Tobias.

Blankey sniffs sadly.

Semirhage says, 'I wasn't in the knights tourney'

STRESS says, 'umm, never heard of knights tourney'

Tobias says, 'You can look at items to track the location of players...'

Peer says, 'you all missed out then'

LadyAce says, 'it would definitely build up the team and spectator aspect to do it that way'

LadyAce giggles.

Tobias says, 'And if they fight, it echos in the room.'

Blankey nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'it was fun :)'

Tobias says, 'That was you can track movement.'

Peer nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Tobias says, 'Without having to echo every step getting all confusing.'

Tobias nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

STRESS says, 'if it was fun why'd they stop?'

STRESS is completely boggled.

Tobias says to STRESS, 'one time thingy.'

Peer says, 'it was a tinyplot'ish tihng'

Peer says, 'thing too'

STRESS says, 'oh'

Kaige says, 'yeah, we should get someone to sponsor another tourney like that'

Tobias says, 'We...uh...got a tag though! No matter how much of a lie it is!'

LadyAce giggles at Kaige.

Tobias says, '...showed skill and bravery at the Knights' Imperial Tournament.'

Peer giggles at Kaige.

Peer nods his agreement with Tobias.

Tobias says to Kaige, 'Sure. Lazy will!'

Tobias ducks to the ground.

Kaige giggles at Tobias.

LadyAce says, 'yeah, it's been a while since a clan approached me about sponsoring an event'

LadyAce peers around the room intently.

Tobias says, 'Clan lazy proudly...aww, nevermind.'

Kaige wonders how that one would be for spectators tho.

Kaige winks suggestively at Tobias.

Kaige says to Sandra, 'something to talk up at your next clan talk'

Tobias says to Kaige, 'Prolly boring ^_~'


Accept All Arena?

Peer says, 'this is the code aspect of it, else I would just idea it'

Tobias covers his eyes as to not get confused by the coding stuff Peer is about to talk about.

Peer says, 'would it be possible to create an area, somewhat like umm where linus hangs around, I forgot the name, just a little bigger'

LadyAce says, 'Linus?'

Peer says, 'I forgot the name of the town, phaekians or something'

Sandra says, 'for ?'

Sandman says, 'thebes =p'

Peer says, 'I'm getting to that'

Boreas says, 'it's already a fairly big area'

Peer says, 'with several warnings that if you enter this area, you will go accept all, kinda like a static tourney area, but your corpse will be hauled over the wall if you die'

Kaige wrinkles her nose distastefully.

Sandra says, 'nope'

Peer says, 'kaykay'

Kaige says, 'I've always hated articficial lines in the sand arena areas like that.'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Peer blinks.

Blankey nods his agreement with Kaige.

STRESS is completely boggled.

LadyAce says to Peer, 'you of all people should be on board with the realism thang in it :)'

Blankey chuckles politely at STRESS's feeble witticism.

Tobias throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Chaykin says, 'bleh'

Peer says, 'eh?'

Sandra says, 'I'm a firm believer that if you want to pk, pk. I'm not gonna make arenas for it. That's what therest of the mud is for'

Peer says, 'what was unreal about that?'

Emrysia giggles.

Blankey says, 'well.. a small arena like.. 4 rooms.. but it might be fun.. but sorta off in the distance..'

Peer says, 'just a suggestion, the hardcore pk'ers could hang out there, and all would accept eachother'

Tobias says, 'I think its kinda silly...'

Peer says, 'it would perhaps solve a lot of the "accept all" or you are a loser issue'

Tobias says, 'The hardcore pk'ers could just accept each other period ^_~'

STRESS nods his agreement with Peer.

Blankey says, 'so there would be a line in the sand.. its just on the other side of the lake'

Blankey nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Tobias says, '4 rooms doesn't give much fun.'

LadyAce says, 'with areas, we try to be as severely IC as possible'

Blankey says, 'well.. more then'

STRESS says, 'you get alot of people saying they like the old system of pk before pkok, this would give them a change to experience it'

Tobias says, 'The whole mud works, though ^_~'

Tobias says, 'So just accept each other and beat up.'

STRESS shrugs helplessly.

LadyAce says, 'creating arenas breaks that line. History and myth never heard of pkok'

Blankey nods his agreement with Tobias.

Tobias says to LadyAce, 'Ancient Rome did ^_~'

Sasha says, 'other than the colleseum'

Peer nods his agreement with Tobias.

LadyAce says, 'pkok is an OOC social device we maintain for the community'

STRESS nods his agreement with Sasha.

Blankey says, 'well.. i suppose..'

LadyAce says, 'nah, colliseum wasn't like that'

Sasha says to LadyAce, 'just had to be contrary'

Sasha giggles.

Kaige says, 'no.. I'd say most of the people in the gladiator pits weren't accepting on their own free will'

Tobias says to LadyAce, 'Ooo! A gladiatorial tournament deal for PK would be neato...instead of Knight's thingy.'

STRESS says, 'k'

Sandra says, 'gladiators didn't get to say 'nah I don't want to fight' =P'

Blankey says, 'ya.. historically correct too!'

Peer says, 'some of them did'

Boreas says, 'gladiator would be more fun than gangsters'

Blankey says, 'ay.. the ones that werent SLAVES'

Tobias says, 'You could have themed rounds...'

Peer says, 'actually a large part of the gladiators were voluntary because of the glory'

Tobias says, 'And rounds with only limited EQ...'

Tobias says, 'etc, etc.'

Sasha says, 'so if someone curses on chat they should be stuck in the collesium with Craven'

Sasha throws her head back and cackles with insane glee!

Tobias says, 'I think a buy-eq-with-points tourney would be neato.'

STRESS giggles at Sasha.

Blankey nods his agreement with Sasha.

Peer says, 'those times gladiators were todays popstars or moviestars, money, sex, glory, fame etc'

Peer shrugs philosophically.

Blankey says, 'well... it might be good...'

Tobias says to Peer, 'Don't forget death.'

Sandra says, 'they were also mostly slaves'

LadyAce says, 'I can see it as a theme for a tourney, but our general trend is to resist arenas'

Peer says to Tobias, 'only if you lost :P'

LadyAce says, 'if two players did a quest and became gladiators, I can see that working'

Peer says to LadyAce, 'my question was whether it was actually possible code-wise, nothing more'

Blankey says, '**they** were all slaves'

Sasha says, 'many other muds have arenas'

Peer says to LadyAce, 'you said no, we move on?'

Ea! says to Peer, 'We'd have to write the code for it.'

Boreas nods her agreement with Sasha.

Sasha says, 'which is why we shouldn't have them ehere'

Sasha giggles.

Boreas giggles.

Peer nods his agreement with Ea!.

LadyAce says, 'well, if we wanted it, we'd code it, is what I'm sayin.'

Boreas says, 'I think with pkok we don't need arenas'

Kaige nods her agreement with Boreas.

Blankey says, 'theres the whole mud out there'

Sandman says, 'i think we should have an area with an arena but not to be used specifically for pk'

STRESS says, 'it's kinda stressfull'

Blankey waves his hand in the direction of the rest of mud

Kaige says, 'makes it much more interesting when you can fight anyone, anywhere'

Blankey says, 'use it'

Peer nods his agreement with Kaige.

Peer says to Kaige, 'I agree'

Chaykin says, 'I don't like the idea of an arena because it seems a little OOCish to me'


Help Wine/Drunk not fixed

Blankey says, 'i wanna know why it still says no help avaiable on drunk.. if you type help wine'

Kaige says, 'I dunno. it worked when I tested it.'

Tobias says, 'No worky for me either.'

Kaige says, 'but it'll still say no help available until we actually write one for drunk'

LadyAce says, 'drunk is a mood, it has a helpfile'

LadyAce says, 'it's a daisy chaining issue'

Blankey says, 'i tried drunk.. its got a mood help.. im talking about help wine'

LadyAce says, 'it's not resolving 2 tiers deep'

Blankey shrugs helplessly.

Kaige says, 'ahh. cause drunk is caught before then then'

Ea! says, 'Hm. help 2.drunk gives "No help available on 'moods'"'

Blankey says, 'ok... just wanted to say try and fix it!'

Kaige giggles.

Blankey says, 'thanx'

LadyAce giggles.

LadyAce says, 'weeeeeerd'

Kaige says, 'ok mood should probably be called drunken or something and we need to write that other file'

Kaige says, 'for the affects drunk has on chars'


Gangwars Rankings as Whois?

Ryan says, 'First off, I walked in during the pk gangwars talk, but you were talking about having rounds over time, right?'

LadyAce says, 'just talking about variations, improvements, etc.'

LadyAce says, 'one of 'em was to do it like a pro sports team'

LadyAce says, 'and have spectators and such'

Ryan says, 'Just thought it might be neat (if possible) to have the teams rank or persons rank show as a whois string'

LadyAce says, 'hrm, I spose. I'd hafta go rooting thru player files manually but that's doable'

Ryan says, 'Just a thought'

LadyAce says, 'if we did a pro sports model, might be interesting to see some of the existing clans field teams. makes for better spectating'


Cause Charms Limits

Sasha says, 'ack, what's up with cause mage charmie changes'

Sasha frowns.

Sasha says, 'good idea, but bah'

Chaykin says, 'personally I love it'

Sasha says, 'multiple charmies?'

Sasha says, 'so how many max?'

Ea! says, 'Cause mages can't control as many as they used to be able to. The number is still based on mind.'

LadyAce says, 'it's like dropping down the top limit because of spammy use, not a big restrictions'

Sasha nods her agreement with Ea!.

Sasha says, 'I buy that... good call, annoying for me'

Sasha chuckles politely.

Boreas says, 'I rarely have more than a few anyway'

LadyAce says, 'well, how many do you usually have?'

Boreas waves good-bye to Sasha.

Peer tugs on LadyAce's sleeve imploringly.

Sasha says, 'I have had 25 at one time'

Sasha chuckles politely.

Ea! says, 'It's to give create mages a bit of a boost over cause in terms of controlling large armies.'

Boreas says, 'if I'm doing serious running, then two or three tanks to rotate.'

Sasha says, 'but it was a bit overkill'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Ea!.

Boreas says to Ea!, 'yet you gave creates a new damage spell'

Chaykin says, 'yeah, a very limited damage spell'

Chaykin says, 'nice damage, but limited in use and what creates already had was pretty much crap for dam spells'

Chaykin says, 'and besides'


Cause vs Create Fuzzier

Boreas says, 'well, yes, but it makes the boundaries between cause and create fuzzier'

Zalbag says, 'watery death vs frost bolt, what wins? ;)'

Chaykin says, 'even with frost bolt it still makes more sense to conserve mana for roots'

Peer says, 'you can use it when on water, in case you don't fail because of bad castlevel'

Chaykin says to Peer, 'yeah but there will be spellbooks eventually'

Sandra says, 'should be in tomorrow'

Peer shrugs helplessly.

Chaykin cheers for Sandra - huzzah!

Zalbag says, 'probably in one of sandra's areas if she replied ;)'

Tobias starts writing on a stuffed bunny from Tobias.

Sandra says, 'I replied because I'm the head builder =P'

LadyAce says, 'well, maybe we should tweak the messages to make it seem more create-like?'

Zalbag licks Sandra.

LadyAce says, 'I hafta confess that I haven't cast the spell'

LadyAce doesn't have any create mages

Boreas says, 'and the help file'

Sandra says, 'there is a help file'

Boreas says, 'which btw, I can still read'

Zalbag says, 'with my create mage, i still do my fighting with my created "things"'

Zalbag says, 'so there is a relative difference between cause and create'

Sandra says, 'that's beause you're cause, not create'

LadyAce says, 'well, but that doesn't cover the objection about it seeming too cause-ish'

Zalbag says, 'as with this char, i use gust and well immolate a lot :P'

Boreas says to Sandra, 'shouldn't I not be able to see a help file on a create spell?'

Zalbag says, 'well just stating there still is a difference between cause and create'

Sandra says, 'nope'

Boreas says, 'I can't see other files, like preserve'

Sandra says, 'er, sorry read it wrong'

Sandra says, 'yea you sh ouldn't be able to. I'll fix it'

LadyAce says to Boreas, 'it's a valid point, and I don't have a good answer unfortunately.'

Boreas says to Sandra, 'and maybe make it say 'creates shards of ice' instead of 'causes shards of ice''

Boreas giggles.

Sandra giggles.

Tobias snickers softly.

Sandra says to Boreas, 'can you get it now?'


Twohanded weapon stats?

Peer says, 'have you finished considering whether two handed weapons should be able to be more than net 5 stat?'

LadyAce says to Peer, 'sorry. Isn't my area, is Sandra's. I don't think any decisions have been reached there.'

Peer says, 'kay'


Mana costs in helps and cast levels

Tobias says, 'Why are there even mana costs listed in help files? They're so very vague...'

Ea! says, 'That's when the cost depends on damage, stats, or something else.'

LadyAce says, 'well, a range is better than no info?'

LadyAce says, 'I think the range is minimum+'

Ea! nods solemnly.

Tobias nods solemnly.

Tobias says, 'Its not very helpful ^^;'

LadyAce says, 'so you can cast it at that mana, or it might cost you more mana and you'd do more damage besides'

Ea! says, 'If you've got 15 mana and want to know if you can cast harm, it is...'

Tobias says, 'Maybe you should have a discovery cost?'

Tobias says, 'Rather than wasting a billion mana just to learn the spell?'

LadyAce says, 'wasting a billion mana to learn?'

LadyAce says, 'you only hafta cast it once, you can fail or even be at 0 mana :P'

Tobias says, 'Well, to learn the spell you have to successfully cast it?'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Tobias says, 'Or do you just have to chant it?'

Sandra says, 'only have to chant it'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Tobias.

Zalbag says, 'just chant it'

Tobias says, 'Whoa ^^;'

LadyAce giggles.

LadyAce hugs Tobias.

Tobias says, 'I've been wasting mana ^^;'

LadyAce says, 'who else has a question?'

Ea! says to Tobias, 'Well, we could change it, if you want.'

Tobias shakes his head.

Ea! ducks to the ground.

LadyAce giggles.

Tobias says to Ea!, 'Err.. ^_~'


Upcoming: DSL status

Zalbag says, 'hrm what kinda nifty stuff is there planned within this next month that i should know about :P'

LadyAce says, 'not a lot of nifty stuff planned, but our DSL is back so we're planning on some improved chaos.'

Zalbag says, 'some improved chaos?'

Chaykin says, 'when is that back?'

LadyAce says, 'as of today we have it back'

Kaige says, 'cool.'

LadyAce says, 'we don't have to move the machine in a total panic this time, and we're going to try to make it a smoother transition based on what we learned'

LadyAce says, 'if no one else has questions :)'

LadyAce smiles happily.

LadyAce gives a big hug to everyone in the room.


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