Lecture Series Index

September 12th, 2002

Q & A Index

Topics Covered

Fix for DT Code Yet?
DTs and Old Eq & Zips
Regarding Romeo's RP
DTs and Elf game "strings"
Rent off on Reliquary Cross?
Hometown Help Info On Web
Why was SSS changed?
What DTs save & Ownership Timers
Why was Steal Changed?
Why do we have PKOK?
Sing and Entrance
Trees vs New Skills/Hometowns
Char Named Rooms in Clan Halls
Imming with an Admin History
Progress on Moods/Socials?
Who Applied this Round?
Code/Building/Balance Discussion

Additional Topics Answered

Commonly Reported as Bugs but Aren't
Commonly Reported as Typos but Aren't

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Fix for DT Code Yet?

Drusilla says, 'did you guys fix the DT code yet?'

LadyAce says, 'any particular problem with the DT code that you're thinking of?'

Drusilla says, 'the fact that when I DT'd with looted eq it hard crashed the mud?'

Drusilla says, 'Sandra talked to me about it when it happened so I assumed i didnt need to report it really'

LadyAce says, 'Hm, I know I saw a post that said a crashing bug was fixed. Coulda been that.'

Kaige says, 'I think that was a coincidence. But it's always safer to report it, that way it's recorded and doesn't get lost.'

Kaige says to LadyAce, 'no.. that was a fix with seasonal resets'

Drusilla says, 'ok lemme report it properly then to be sure'

Kaige thanks Drusilla heartily.


DTs and Old Eq & Zips

Cabal says, 'yes, when I DT, the desc of the old equip I was wearing (ex: small black mugs, cotton breeches) appear as strings. What is the use of such "items" - can they be used as real strings?(a bit weird to me) or do they have another utility'

LadyAce says, 'they're just junk, due to a weird implication of some code.'

Rush says, 'i think that's cool, then you can string the mugs to eggs or something and still have yer cool old eq'

Kaige says, 'I thought we had that fixed... tho some may still have the "string" flag on them which is why they're coming through.'

LadyAce says, 'no, you can't use them for stringing or anything'

Cabal says, 'I can use a mundane coup to string them desc? ;) ahh ok'

LadyAce says, 'no, can't use a mundane on them'

Rush says to LadyAce, 'you can't?'

Kaige says, 'they're not technically "in the game" so mundane doesn't work either'

Drusilla says, 'some zip strings i had saved at one point too.. i thought that wasnt supposed to happen because it would make them real...'

Cabal says, 'I am allowed to wear them on the auxiliary slots or are they considered bugs?'

Kaige says, 'yeah zips shouldn't be "strung" either at this point. but they are saved as owned with other storage strings outside the DT'

Cabal gets a small black mug from a deerskin bag.

Cabal begins using a small black mug.

Cabal models his equipment.

Kaige says, 'it's a souvenier.'

Cabal says to Kaige, 'nifty =)'


Regarding Romeo's RP

Romeo says, 'ok heres my statement cause its not a question :p'

Romeo says, 'I figured its easy to say it here :P'

Romeo says, 'ok for those of you that know my Alts'

Romeo says, 'What I do to you with this char in no way affects the relationship I have with you with my alts'

Romeo says, 'so keep it IC Please'

Deth says, 'thanks for telling us'

Romeo winks suggestively.

LadyAce says, 'it might make more sense to put it on the news board if you wanna reach a lot of folks'

Rush nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Romeo nods solemnly.

Kaige thinks life would be peachy all around if more people adopted that philosophy.

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Romeo says, 'I figure QnA cause lots of people read that too'

Rush says, 'and anyway people who are not keeping it ic may not really be worth your time'

Kaige says, 'yeah was gonna mention that too. news reaches many more tho'

Romeo nods solemnly.

Romeo says, 'as soon as I get over my writers block and start sending into LT Youll find out about my RP'

LadyAce says, 'eventually everyone might get around to it, but news is something that's more likely read on a day-to-day basis, I'd say.'


DTs and Elf game "strings"

Rush says, 'okie about the dt bug thingie'

Rush waves a LegendMUD lunchbox.

Rush says, 'if I dt this am i gonna lose it?'

Romeo says, 'only what its strung too'

LadyAce says, 'it looks like a string to me...eq is lost, string saved, if it's a string'

Rush says, 'it's an old old priza machine item'

Victoria says, 'heh mine didn't save'

Rush says, 'strung to a bag'

Rush says, 'or maybe just used as is out of the maachine'

LadyAce says, 'lemme see it to say for sure.'

Rush gives a LegendMUD lunchbox to LadyAce.

Kaige says, 'Hmm.. yeah.. but I'm not sure the code thinks it's a strung item tho...'

Rush nods her agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says, 'yeah.. none of those are showing with the STRING flag on 'em'

Rush says, 'can i have it strung to a bag so it does save as a string?'

LadyAce says, 'hrm. this is from the birthday 02 fairy game'

Kaige says, 'so treat them like regular equipment.'

LadyAce says, 'it's not from the machine. It won't be saved, it's not a string.'

Rush says, 'i dun wanna lose it'

LadyAce gives a LegendMUD lunchbox to Rush.

Kaige wishes Rush good luck!

Rush says, 'so if I dt it'll be gone?'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'more precious than a zip I should say...'

Romeo says, 'I thought they were strings'

Rush says, 'and it's not eligible for mundane to make sure it saves?'

Rush says, 'is very dear to me, was a gift'

LadyAce says, 'no, it can't be a mundane because it's not an item out there in the game'

Kaige says, 'it's not a "regular in-game" item.. so no, it's not mundaneable'

Rush says, 'when i try to wear it nothing happens'

Cabal giggles.

LadyAce says, 'gone forever :('

Rush says, 'is that normal behaviour?'

Kaige says, 'I actually know why that happens sometiems...'

Kaige giggles.

Kaige says, 'it's because it has no wear slot assigned to it.'

Rush says, 'maybe i put it in me house'

Rush nods her agreement with Kaige.

Bass smiles happily.

Kaige says, 'we could really use a default message saying.. you ponder it but can't figure out exactly where to wear it, or soemthing like that.'

Rush nods her agreement with Kaige.

Rush says, 'is a good idea!!'


Rent off on Reliquary Cross?

Basara says, 'well, I was hanging around, looking for stuff, and I found this Relinquary Cross. I notice that it's only +5spi like this rosary..'

Basara pokes a rosary.

Kaige already noted the correct vnum (it's not from macao) and will look at it this week

Basara says, 'but it's 1.5k rent, rather than the 1125 rent like the other two +5 spi neck items... just wondering, is it recently updated?'

Basara says, 'or does it have a special function?'

Kaige says, 'but part of it is you can use up to four of them at once if you're thorough'

Basara says, 'I was told that it might not have been updated... if it wasn't, may I make a suggestion of keeping the rent, but make it repair rather than tform?'

LadyAce says, 'sometimes items are not at their minimum rent. some places are just not as cheap :)'

Basara nods solemnly.

Rush nods her agreement with Basara.

Basara says, 'dang... and it's the prettiest of the 3 too...'

Rush says, 'too much stuff is tform'

Romeo nods his agreement with Rush.

Basara says, 'it actually has a LOOK DESC....'

Syphor says, 'sss should repair'

Basara nudges a rosary over a few inches.

Romeo nods his agreement with Syphor.

LadyAce says, 'like that tawdry stuff you pick up at the dollar store. Sure, you paid a dollar, but is it really cheaper? Does the grocery store have it for $.89? Or will you pay more but be happier with your purchase?'

Kaige says, 'it's one of the original items from that area... don't think it's been touched in ages.'

Romeo says, 'all swords should be repair less of course there magic swords'

Basara nods his agreement with Kaige.

Basara nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Kaige says, 'or will you have to spend $0.34 extra in gas to get to the store that has it for only 69 cents?'

Basara says, 'yes, but just wondering about that. and see if it's because it's not updated.'

Lorenzo says to LadyAce, 'and will the cheaper one last as long? will it rend into tatters? or burst into flame?'

Rush says, 'they changed everything just to watch me dt it all and cry'

Rush stomps around.

Kaige says, 'Nope. It hasn't changed since at least July 8th 1997.'

Rush blinks.

Basara says, 'wow... maybe we should just keep that cross that way... it's a relic...'

Rush says, 'dats a long time ago'

Basara nods to himself.

Kaige nods solemnly.

Basara says, 'it's "old" eq....'

Victoria says, 'hey not that long.. I started playing then =P'

Victoria says, 'stop making me feel old =('


Hometown Help Info On Web

Vasago says, 'its just a suggestion really - from a newbie point of view'

Vasago says, 'i created and hadnt a clue about stats and profession suitability etc'

Vasago says, 'more information is needed on the web page i feel, sir asguard helped me out or i would have made a completely useless cha'

Rush says to Vasago, 'jmho, but is impossible to make a completely useless char'

Romeo says to Vasago, 'a high spirit str dexie'

LadyAce says to Vasago, 'I think we'd call it an exploratory char, not a useless one.'

Basara says to Rush, 'yes it is.'

Romeo ducks to the ground.

Tazus says to Rush, 'no i did it with an alt'

Rush nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Vasago says, 'well a more useless than it could have been with more help'

Adamar says to Victoria, 'anybody can be completely useless!'

LadyAce says, 'it's pretty hard to make an unplayable character. I really think you have to try.'

Syphor says, 'ive tried, it aint that hard'

Syphor grins evilly.

LadyAce says, 'well, we think that it's ok to make a char who is less than perfect, less than the very best'

Rush says, 'my first char had all screwed up stats but was one of the best hitters in the game ... once i understood what i was doing iw as able to fix my misorder of stats'

LadyAce says, 'we'd rather have people just try things than stress about tiny tweaks'

Bass says, 'say I am a first char and I was worthless for a while'

Rush says, 'not worthless, you still run around and learn the game and stuff'

Romeo nods his agreement with Rush.

Vasago says, 'its just that if you have a char with stats geared toward magic and pop into london its a little bit annoying after you work and then learn'

Vasago giggles.

LadyAce says, 'well, for that -- help hometown_london will tell you straight out that you can't do it'

LadyAce says, 'and that help is available when you do char creation'

Bass nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'and with the amount of stats you start with and the +stat gear out there.. it's not often you come up with a truly unsalvagable character'

Syphor says, 'if you have high mind, ive noticed ive get more mv ;p, thats means more exploration to me'

Rush says, 'rp, make friends, who then teach you stuff about how to make a strong lowbie and also help level you'

LadyAce says, 'on the other hand, if we filled our helpfiles and webpages with tons of specific details about how exactly to build your char, we think that'd take the fun out of it'

Vasago says, 'yup, jusy a little more of a nudge i was thinking'

LadyAce says, 'I can understand wanting to be good even though you've just started, and being frustrated by wrong turns, for sure.'

Cabal says, 'Char Building experience is part of the fun yeah'

Vasago says, 'not a full on do this that and the other'

Rush says, 'i always agonize over my stat order but it's really not that big a deal unless you are going for 100 constr dex and start with like 30 spirit'

LadyAce says, 'if you want to suggest specific places where people can get really turned around without help, we'd be happy to think about how to work with your suggestions'

Adamar says, 'that is what clans are for, they are suppose to help you build your char and learn the game'

Syphor nods his agreement with Adamar.

LadyAce says, 'but since all you mentioned was mage/london, and we already have that covered, I need a new example :)'

Syphor says, 'specialy the rp ones'

Adamar says, 'my first clan helped me lots'

Vasago says, 'heh ive only been here 2 days i dont know anything - just trying to help'

Rush hugs Vasago.

Vasago giggles.

Kaige smiles at Vasago.

Rush says to Vasago, 'is a nice place!'

LadyAce says to Vasago, 'you as a newbie are in a great position to see stuff we can't :) so anything specific you can give us is great'

Lorenzo says to Vasago, 'welcome to the family'

Rush giggles.

Rush nods her agreement with Lorenzo.

LadyAce smiles at Vasago.

Syphor says, 'legend is a great place to be.'

Vasago nods solemnly.

Rush says, 'it's like hotel california'

Syphor nods his agreement with Vasago.

LadyAce giggles at Rush.

Kaige giggles at Rush.

Rush says, 'you can never really leave'

LadyAce offers you pink champagne on ice.

Herbert says, 'sure ya can..'

Rush giggles at LadyAce.

Herbert grins evilly at LadyAce.. wonder what he's thinking...

Lorenzo says to Vasago, 'no, I mean really. Sorry if I seem distracted'

Vasago says, 'what they make you wear boomerang boots ?'

Syphor nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Lorenzo giggles.

LadyAce giggles at Vasago.

Rush says, 'most addictive thing i've ever done in my life'

Rush giggles.

Herbert says, 'LegendMUD is a spacial anomaly that exists in virtual space, a social centre of massive proportions where the addictive substance is pure community spirit for both good and bad'

Romeo says, 'When Legendmud is Reality RL is boring :p'

Romeo ducks to the ground.


Why was SSS changed?

Syphor says, 'i have questions i dont think you can anser'

Syphor says, 'alright first off, i am a messed up pkiller thats set for mobkill...'

Syphor says, 'my prime stat is str yet i use a staff'

Syphor says, 'now i have issues with the new silver serrated sowrd, why did you have to fix a great thing?'

Rush says to Syphor, 'why do you use a staff?'

Syphor says, 'because they have lower rent than swords per damage, man i love math'

Syphor says, 'anyway, im getting off the subject'

Syphor says, 'the old sss was a good str weapon, correct?'

LadyAce says to Syphor, 'but have you accounted for the standard deviation in damage between str and con? :)'

LadyAce says, 'it's still considered pretty good, far as I know.'

Herbert nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Syphor says to LadyAce, 'i have close to and around 20 damrating, with a heavy stave i can'

LadyAce says, 'it was put back into spec when we did the damroll change thing I think, nothing since then?'

Herbert says, 'except the drastic change in style for strength hitters to get multiple attacks has made the sss kind of less useful'

Syphor says, 'damage same as sword, or i can anyway'

Herbert says, 'these days everyone uses a forktongued, a hook, and possibly razor greaves'

Romeo throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Syphor says, 'hey, the sss is nostalgiac to me, i love them'

Herbert says, 'hit/dam are essentially not a factor for the modern day strength hitter'

LadyAce says, 'anyway, what's the question exactly? The ooooold change in the sss? Balance.'

Rush says, 'if i make a str char ima use a skyblade'

Syphor says, 'just the rent is too much for what it does'

Romeo nods his agreement with Herbert.

Syphor says, 'ok'

Herbert says to Rush, 'dont believe the hype'

Herbert grins evilly at Rush.. wonder what he's thinking...

Rush says, 'is pretty!'

Syphor says, 'now the old sss whas the best weapon in my mind'

Rush nods her agreement with Syphor.

Rush says, 'it was nice'

Syphor says, 'why did you have to fix a great thing, espesilly if it wasent broken'

Kaige says, 'and when weapons are TOO good to be true.. it's probably out of balance. hence the change.'

Herbert says, 'old eq pfile wipe i say!'

LadyAce says, 'change was for balance, so that was what was broken :)'

Herbert says, 'even footing for everyone!'

Lorenzo cheers for Herbert - huzzah!

Syphor says, 'i love the sss'

Syphor says, 'im done'

Herbert says, 'why have game balance if yer going to clearly allow things to be UNbalanced by old eq'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Romeo's head.

Syphor smiles at LadyAce.

Herbert sniffs sadly at Rush.

Syphor says, 'so the old sss whas a mistake?'

LadyAce says, 'it was a little over zealous'

Romeo says, 'I say we Nuke All OLD Eq Right now!'

Syphor screams loudly!

Herbert nods his agreement with Romeo.

Syphor says, 'no way'

Lorenzo cheers for Romeo - huzzah!

LadyAce says, 'it was done at a time that damroll and hitroll meant almost nothin'

Syphor says, 'hmm'

Lorenzo says, 'be done once & fer all'

Romeo nods his agreement with Lorenzo.

Rush says, 'nuking old eq across the board would be a good idea i think'

Herbert says, 'they trashed all my old shoes why not old gloves, eyes, horns, swords, claws..'

LadyAce says, 'it'd be like, if we made +spirit a free stat, and then made all fight skills take spirit. Problem :)'

Lorenzo says, 'deflate the oldbie market'

Syphor says, 'i have eq from past code changes but i think the stats are same form old to new'

Romeo says, 'It would make PK Fair since steal is praticly useless'

Rush says, 'otoh, is good for old chars to have some kind of advantage for their time here'

Cabal says to Rush, 'some old eq on ppl is strung tho, would be hard to pfile that...and individual basis would be Looong'

LadyAce says, 'I think people get way too worked up about old eq. They could spend that energy on their chars instead and have more fun :P'

Herbert says, 'damn right i want Steal to become redeemable because it is COMPLETELY pointless now'

Syphor says, 'well ive been on the lookout for a sword of the black and old sss'

Vasago rows around the room in his rubber dinghy

Herbert says, 'i cant even be malicious'

Lorenzo says to Rush, 'knowledge isn't good enough? :)'

Romeo nods his agreement with Herbert.

Syphor says, 'now can i get a number, ladyace'

Herbert grins evilly at Lorenzo.. wonder what he's thinking...

LadyAce says, 'anyway, I know you don't agree with us Syphy, but did we cover your question?'

LadyAce says, 'a number?'

Syphor says, 'how many old silver serrated swords are left'

Herbert has one lying about..

Syphor says, 'yes you did'

Kaige says, 'not easily and quickly, no.'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think I know a good way to tell one from another :/ usually the way we tell that is to grep on keywords or something'

Craven says, 'A lot...'

Craven says, 'I know of at least 5 or 10 personally'

Syphor says, 'i would give an arm and a leg for one'

Craven says, 'and I'm not friends with many people'

Herbert says, 'grep on rent'

Syphor says, 'and all the money i have for 2 years'

Craven says, 'from personal experience, I'll tell yout his....it doesn't make much difference'

Vasago says, 'what would you wield it with then syphor ?'

Cabal says, 'I think steal skill should vanish as RP-Looting can be agreed between chars and looting doesnt add any real spice to the game - well makes more ppl flee the pk scene that it amuses ppl looting off corpses.'

Syphor says, 'i would use old sss , and thats it'

Craven says, 'besides, swords are broken atm, an old serrated doesn't change that'

Romeo says to Cabal, 'Steal is Useless'

Herbert says, 'demons claws kicked ass back in the day'

Herbert nods to himself.

Syphor says, 'looks like str pkillers are a dying breed...'

Rush says, 'steal can still be annoying as hell'

Cabal says to Romeo, 'not useless, not needed, imho =)'

Romeo says to Cabal, 'Useless'

Syphor says to Craven, 'ill give you anything you want for a busted up old sss'

Craven snickers softly.

Syphor says, 'dosent matter on condition'


What DTs save & Ownership Timers

Cabal has a question about DTs again.

Cabal says, 'yes sorry if its a common question but thought DT were saving lights and I lost my severed head when DTing. Can you please remind us the rule?'

Rush says, 'i thought some dts do and some dont save lights and boats'

Herbert says, 'all of them should save lights, or you end up recalling to that goddam Tlingit hut with no way out and get all yer stuff looted'

Romeo nods his agreement with Herbert.

Rush comforts Herbert.

Romeo says, 'my alt was stick in There FOREVER until an immie let him out'

Rush says, 'are the strings on the ground outside dt's owned?'

Romeo says to Rush, 'only if the have stolen flag I think'

Romeo says, 'but then again item stays with it'

LadyAce says, 'as far as I know, if they use the DT code, they should act the same'

Herbert says, 'so why dont we all get like a world peace and a boat each, accept each other, steal the peace and boat and that way our peace and boat will always be owned and be indestructible'

Herbert snickers softly.

Romeo cackles gleefully at Herbert - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Rush says, 'because sandra said she'd get all pissed if we did that'

Carney says, 'you can't steal boats'

Herbert says, 'thought you could if you didnt have one personally'

Romeo says, 'thanks to Kiera :p'

Carney nods solemnly.

Romeo shakes his head.

Carney says, 'nope'

Romeo says, 'Cant at all'

Herbert says, 'lame'

Adamar says, 'i thought that was clever at first'

Romeo nods his agreement with Herbert.

Romeo says, 'Steal Is useless'

Herbert says, 'steal sucks for anything othern looting vials, derts, runes, scrolls in PK'

LadyAce says, 'the strings outside of DTs...owned, but the ownership times out.'

Rush says, 'how long?'

Herbert says, 'why does it time out? thats mental'

Romeo says, 'Stolen EQ needs a timer'

Rush says, 'as long as from a death?'

Carney says, 'if it didn't time out it would stay there permanently'

Adamar says, 'do all owned items time out?'

LadyAce says, 'cuz it'd sit there for ages otherwise....spamming up the place.'

Carney says, 'the timeout is like 3 days anyway'

Rush says, 'i know a guy who died and got his stuff like 2 days later, realtime'

LadyAce says, 'ownership times out after 3 days.'

Herbert says, 'if i cant even loot someone and DT their eq why should my strings have timers'

Herbert glares at nothing in particular.

Adamar says, '3 real days?'

LadyAce says, 'if an item is owned, and we crash or reboot, it's still there.'

Carney nods his agreement with Adamar.

Romeo says, 'what about on stolen eq does it have timer :p'

LadyAce says, 'yea, 3 RL days.'

Carney says to LadyAce, 'even hard crashes?'

Carney grins evilly at LadyAce.. wonder what he's thinking...

LadyAce says, 'stolen eq is never laundered.'

LadyAce says, 'if the mud can save it on a hard crash, it will.'

Herbert says, 'so stolen eq really is invincible'

Romeo nods his agreement with Herbert.

Kaige says, 'as long as it's already been saved, then yes, even through hard crashes'

Romeo says, 'Steal is Unbalanced'


Why was Steal Changed?

Romeo says, 'ok I want no lies, no excuses on this answer'

Rush giggles at Romeo.

Herbert says, 'hehe'

Romeo says, 'Why did you change steal :P'

Syphor says to Romeo, 'to me, i think steal never worked'

Kaige says to Romeo, 'in an attempt to address one of the concerns that was brought up with it. And steal itself wasn't changed, only the way owned items were handled in DTs.'

Carney says, 'the current system is what I call a "baby proof" system'

Carney says, 'the babys can't hurt them selves accedently'

Herbert says, 'damn right Carney, soon we're gonna take negative damage on being hit'

Herbert says, 'cos heaven forbid we get hurt feelings by dying'

LadyAce says, 'we do our best to not have code that is in conflict with admin policies'

Syphor nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'we try not to be full of loopholes and then lurk there to snap your toes off when you get caught in one.'

LadyAce says, 'we do our best to not have code that is in conflict with admin policies'

LadyAce says, 'we try not to be full of loopholes and then lurk there to snap your toes off when you get caught in one.'

LadyAce repeats her lie.

Carney says, 'perhaps you should do your best to make admin policies not conflict with the code'

Carney grins evilly.

Romeo rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Rush laughs.

Syphor thinks ladyace's lie is funny

Romeo says, 'what loophole in steal :P'

Rush looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says, 'people were never supposed to be able to get rid of stolen gear by DTing with it'

Kaige says to Romeo, 'that you can't junk or decay an owned item, but you could dt it'

LadyAce says, 'stolen gear is supposed to be recoverable'

Rush says, 'no kidding?'

Herbert says, 'so WHY steal EQ at all then? i think thats the resounding point'

Carney says, 'basically its this in a nutshell imms. They want steal because it adds risk. Risk equals excitement and a challenge, a new dimension of entertainment if you will'

Romeo says, 'cant DT, Supposedly overrent, keep after timers etc.'

LadyAce says, 'that's the reason that you can't reject folks when they steal yourself'

Rush nods her agreement with Herbert.

Carney says, 'you don't want it because people whine :P'

Romeo nods his agreement with Herbert.

Carney says, 'so its gone, too bad people!'

Herbert says, 'there is no bonus to it anymore, its not like you can use it for vengeance, you cant use it for anything but a tiny advantage mid duel'

Romeo says, 'can I redeem steal'

Carney says, 'only sucky thing about ownership is you can't invis corpses anymore'

Romeo says to Herbert, 'really not even then'

Carney sniffs sadly.

Herbert says, 'so much for player policing of PK is all i gotta say'

Carney says, 'that was a great way to teach someone a lesson without really hurting them...'

LadyAce says, 'the code never fully enforced that element of steal and pkok, and now it does.'

Romeo says, 'cant steal boats'

Rush says, 'i read something a long time ago about players policing eachother with multi, loot, and perma'

Romeo says, 'cant fade corpses'

Syphor says, 'steal weapons and maid eq, then they cant fight ya back'

Rush says, 'i guess we not supposed to use steal anymore'

Herbert says, 'if some nasty little person multis my friends to perma warnings i cant even loot their weapon and junk it.. thats lame'

Romeo nods his agreement with Lorenzo.

LadyAce says to Rush, 'yea, that policing element of pk never really worked out, is part of why we ended up with pkok'

Rush looks up into the sky and ponders.

Carney says, 'players policed pk just fine...'

Rush says, 'hmmm'

Carney says, 'before pkok, stealing was very rare'

Herbert says, 'ok so are the admins actually going to police it for us now? now that the players are completely powerless short of permaing each other?'

Carney says, 'because they were policed into submission if they did'

Romeo says, 'ok ok I CAN Agree with not being able to destroy stolen items but they should have a timer on em to lose ownership'

Rush says, 'i never played the old system'

Herbert nods his agreement with Carney.

Kaige says to Herbert, 'you can also reject people'

Romeo says, 'like 500 in-game ticks'

Cabal says, 'only prob with steal for me are 1) almost never used 2) makes lotsa ppl flee from pkok because they dont wanna loose their eq'

Carney says, 'now people can steal from you, drop it somewhere 3 weeks later, and reject you'

Carney shrugs helplessly.

Syphor says, 'it would be cool to have no pk ranges, and be accept all all the time'

Herbert says to Kaige, 'thats assuming you can avoid them for long enough or not get perma'd first'

Cabal says, 'probably many ppl would accept others if they only risk to loose some xp'

Rush says, 'but I think if you said there is no such thing as harrasssment in pk and put pke back in and fixed steal back to what it was it would eventally stabilize'

Herbert says to Kaige, 'go AA and try to reject someone when that someone has arranged for you to NOT reject'

Herbert says to Kaige, 'its basically impossible'

Carney says to Herbert, 'there are still 99% safe places'

Herbert says to Carney, 'theyre killing all of those too though'


Why do we have PKOK?

Syphor says, 'and, why did pkok happen?'

LadyAce says, 'Lemme start with Syphor's question -- there are a lot of reasons, and I'm unlikely to list them all.'

LadyAce says to Syphor, 'because we had an environment where the jerks had the power to take the fun away from other people, and where people couldn't use a feature of the game without submitting wholly to those jerks'

LadyAce says to Syphor, 'and that in turn was a big drain on the community.'

Kaige says, 'it's well covered if you put in PKOK in the seek box on the web page (sitemap page if you don't see it on the ribbon) in lots of Q&A logs and such'

Carney says to LadyAce, 'thats a matter of opinion, don't state it as fact :)'

Carney says to LadyAce, 'pk went in cycles, and that cycle you decided to destroy it instead of waiting it out'

Carney shrugs in response to LadyAce's words.

Herbert says, 'jesus im agreein with Carney, the world has gone mad..'

LadyAce says to Carney, 'If I'm explaining our rationale for something, it's a matter of fact. We thought a thing, that's not an opinion.'

Kaige says to Carney, 'Thats a matter of opinion, don't state it as fact :)'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Carney grins evilly at Kaige.. wonder what he's thinking...

Kaige couldn't resist.

Carney says, 'you don't pk kaige, I do :)'

Carney says, 'BIG difference :)'

Carney says, 'and if you DO pk...'

Rush says to Carney, 'how do you know she doesn't pk?'

TerrorSpawn says, 'I used to, ummm, er, no I didn't'

Syphor says, 'the jerks arent here anymore, ladyace'

Kaige says to Carney, 'you'd never know'

Carney says, 'I guarentee its like level 30 vs level 30 once a year'

Lorenzo snorts in disbelief at Syphor's last comment.

Carney says, 'I'll bet 1 million gazillion dollars on it'

Cabal says to Carney, 'pkok is very fun, some ppl just have to understand that now pk skill also includes making sure your opponent has fun fighting you.'

Carney says, 'and IF you should ever find yourself in a situation where you need to pk at high levels, you accept ONE person, fight them, and reject again'

Herbert says to Carney, 'it seems like everyone is level 30 at the moment, midlevels everywhere'

Syphor says to LadyAce, 'not very many old oldbies are here from the old system, like khelben and quimby, try the old sysytem one more time, it might work out ;p'

Carney says to Cabal, 'thats unfortunately not always possible'

Kaige says, 'what's wrong with level 30? they're valid chars too'

Lorenzo says to Syphor, 'which jerks aren't here anymore?'

Kaige snorts derisively.

Carney says to Cabal, 'because people who lose don't have fun'

Carney says to Kaige, 'not in pk'

Kaige says, 'again.. opinion'

Carney says to Kaige, 'this system is biased completely toward 50 for balance'

Carney says, 'no'

Carney says, 'let me BACKSTAB you when you have 200 hp'

Carney says, 'we'll see what happens :)'

Syphor says to Lorenzo, 'ladyace stated that the 'jerks' had the power, not very many are left'

Cabal says to Carney, 'wrong, I lose all the time and quite enjoy it'

Rush says, 'i have fun'

Herbert says, 'because in PK level 50 is the most talented, you have cast levels, all your skills, all your eq, and you have no excuses..'

Carney says to Cabal, 'the problem is, a lot of people don't'

Rush says, 'when i los i have fun i mean'

Carney says to Cabal, 'people like thething come to mind'

Herbert says, 'you cant say oh oh i lost but wait till im 50th i will kill yer ass'

Cabal says, 'pk fun is NOT about loosing and winning'

Carney says, 'people like him are why pkok was implemented'

Carney says to Cabal, 'to YOU'

Carney says to Cabal, 'to me, its about the challenge'

Romeo says, 'PkOk Should be about looting old EQ to keep it :P'

Romeo ducks to the ground.

Carney says to Cabal, 'to some people, its all about winning'

Syphor quietly talks to himself.

Carney says, 'dusk for example, didn't care if you had 100 hp, if he got a win, he was happy'

Cabal giggles.

Rush giggles.

Kaige says to Herbert, 'and why would you want to play with people who say things like that?'

Kaige is completely boggled.

Rush nods her agreement with Carney.

Herbert says to Kaige, 'because unfortunately theyre the ones that PK actively dont just duel'

Carney shrugs helplessly.

Carney says, 'this system is here to stay'

LadyAce says, 'reputation is a whole lore more important in a system like this.'

LadyAce says, 'er, lot more, not lore more.'

LadyAce chuckles politely.

Carney says, 'I just wish you weren't so pigheaded in saying its perfect and refusing to modify it'

Cabal nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Romeo says to Carney, 'Then Im an asshole cause I dont care if you just died If I feel like backstabbing you I will'

Carney says, 'reputations can be faked'

Herbert nods his agreement with Carney.

Carney says, 'people STILL think mandarb is some monster who eats there corpse and perma's them if he wins'

Carney says, 'yea...right :)'

Rush says, 'he was nice to me'

Rush giggles.

Rush says, 'cept for the killing me part'

Carney says, 'you attacked him :P'

Rush giggles.

Rush nods solemnly.

Rush says, 'was fun'

LadyAce says, 'he never let me attack him :('

Carney cackles gleefully at TerrorSpawn - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Carney says, 'reputation means nothing here'

LadyAce says, 'So I stopped trying to play with him.'

Rush says, 'wish he woulda stuck around and given me notes tho'

Carney says, 'because unfortunately, this game is a giant popularity contest'

Carney says to LadyAce, 'no, you stopped playing :)'

LadyAce comforts Rush.

Herbert throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Herbert nods his agreement with Carney.

Rush says, 'I need notes!'

LadyAce says to Carney, 'you calmed me every darn time, it got irritating :P'

Rush giggles.

Cabal says to Carney, 'for you =)'

Carney says, 'nah, its easily proven'

Carney says, 'have one "popular" person ask for help getting an item'

Herbert says, 'McDougans expies are a prime example.. he goes inactive for 10 months, comes back, says yesh dinnae ken whoot ish like te be scottish.. and blam! best male RPer'

Herbert snickers softly.

Carney says, 'then ask the same with an unpopular person'

Carney says, 'a pkiller will never win most helpful'

Rush rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Carney says, 'because peole see him as evil, he kills, ewww'

LadyAce says, 'if you've put in so much effort to be unpopular, why even ask for help? :P'

Carney says, 'or her'

Carney says, 'fuck help, I just have a circle of friends and we help each other and tell everyone else to die, its the easiest way :)'

Rush says, 'you have a point about McDougan'

LadyAce says, 'anyway, we're ranging very far afield. Do we have outstanding questions in the audience?'

Herbert winces.

Pendant goes EEK! at Carney in distress - isn't Carney an awful person for teasing?

LadyAce says, 'if ya don't want someone to win an expie, vote for the other fella.'

Carney says, 'we're always looking for people to add to the group!'

LadyAce points at Carney.

Kaige says, 'and be sure to nominate people as well'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Carney says, 'no changes, changes but not posted, invisible changes, I'm blind ?'

Carney says, ':)'

LadyAce knows nothing on that front!

Kaige says to Carney, 'you see ea?'

Carney says, 'expies are the ultimate in the popularity contest :)'

Kaige says, 'changes, but not posted yet'

Carney says to Kaige, 'you've posted them many times, thats not a valid argument :)'

Kaige says to Carney, 'you'll hate them any way'

Rush says to Carney, 'what else could they possibly be?'

Carney says to Kaige, 'probably'

Carney says to Kaige, 'hate is a strong word'

Carney says to Kaige, 'the changes won't have anything to do with gameplay'

Carney says to Kaige, 'so I'll be indifferent to them'

Carney says to Kaige, 'I WILL hate that they are worthless, as usual'

Carney says to Kaige, 'but I won't actually care what they are'

Rush says to Carney, 'you should imm'

Carney says to Kaige, 'so close, but no cigar :)'

Pendant waves happily.

Carney says, 'cosmetic changes are fine'

Carney says, 'but not for 6 months straight'

Carney says, 'I'd be happy if we got one major "interesting" set of changes a month'

Rush says to Carney, 'you really seem to want to see change, imm and do it'

Carney says, 'like the first thursday or whatever'

Carney laughs at Rush.

Carney says, 'I couldn't get in hol because imms said craven wasn't legendary...how the hell am I going to be voted in as an imm :)'

Rush giggles at Carney.

Carney says, 'I'd be a coder, no problem. But can you honestly see Kaige agreeing to that? :P'

Carney grins evilly at Kaige.. wonder what he's thinking...


Sing and Entrance

Bass says, 'was wondering about entrance and sing. when the implementing will be done?'

Kaige says, 'lemme see if I can parphrase you correctly: If it's anything to do with rp or cosmetic changes, it doesn't count.'

LadyAce says, 'it's not on the coder to do list, so it's hard for me to even say what the priority of it is'

Bass nods solemnly.

LadyAce says to Bass, 'sorry :/ It may just be a 'someday' thing, or it may be the sort of thing that you ask a coder about and they go do it in a weekend.'

LadyAce says to Bass, 'I'd say, drop a note "encouraging" the coding staff to do it, with your reasons and thoughts about how to make it really cool.'

Bass says, 'was archived for a while and still not there is all'

Herbert says, 'wish i was legendary enough to LoP i swear id do it and just bugger off'

LadyAce says to Bass, 'see if you can spark their interest in it. It's not on the radar atm.'

Bass nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Kaige says, 'actually the entrance/sing question has been answered before at Q&A lemme see if I can find the link.'

Bass says, 'was archived for a while'

Bass hangs his head.

Kaige says to Bass, 'no problem. looking for a url for you real quick'

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'I figure it'd be on the list if it were on the radar. :)'

Kaige says, 'here's one: http://www.legendmud.org/Community/lectures/QandA/2002/QA_08_22_02.html#SING'

Bass thanks Kaige heartily.

Kaige says, 'yeah.. that's the only one I see this year..'

Kaige says to Bass, 'if you still have questions, lemme know, but the basic answer is it seems like it'd be over powered to do it that way and would practically eliminate the need for play.'

Bass shakes his head.


Trees vs New Skills/Hometowns

Rush says, 'ok, i know skill trees have been tabled, so like, are there plans to do up some more hometowns and flesh out some skillsets or are youw aiting on skill trees for that stuff or what'

Kaige says, 'well fleshing out the skillsets are part of what got tabled for trees, so I'd say there were pretty much the same'

Rush says, 'so for now, skillsets and hometowns are gonna be static while otehr changes go in?'

Rush says, 'not upset about it or anything, just curious'

Kaige nods her agreement with Rush.

Kaige says, 'pretty much.'

Rush says, 'I remember back in 96 when i started here and skilltrees were supposed to go in in 3 months!'


Char Named Rooms in Clan Halls

Cabal needs a reminder on building rules.

LadyAce says, 'building rules?'

Cabal says, 'Remind us why you cannot build character housing from clanbuilded rooms? Like every member of a clan could build his own named room from the clan Hall entrance'

Kaige says to Cabal, 'the same reason one player can't build off a friend's house?'

LadyAce says to Cabal, 'I don't think the code supports it, essentially...what happens to their house if the clan poofs?'

Cabal says to Kaige, 'its technical?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Cabal.

Cabal says to LadyAce, 'makes sense'

Rush says, 'would clan members be allowed to get named rooms even if they are actually clan rooms?'

Kaige says, 'if you had rooms built by people who don't own the main room, it'd get really ugly if it was demolished/or repossessed out from under them'

Cabal nods his agreement with Rush.

Rush says, 'just for rp/looks?'

Cabal says to Rush, 'good question'

LadyAce says, 'we often name clanrooms after people at the GMs assent.'

Kaige nods her agreement with Rush.

Rush nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Rush says, 'coolio'

LadyAce says, 'Mertjai is a big one for taking advantage of that.'


Imming with an Admin History

Rush says, 'if a player has a colorful history with imms, is it useless to try to imm?'

Kaige says to Rush, 'probably missed it.'

LadyAce says to Rush, 'not useless, no....not if they've mended their ways a bit.'

Kaige says to Rush, 'a lot of it depends on how they've reacted and changed and grown since then'

Rush nods her agreement with Kaige.


Progress on Moods/Socials?

Trinity says, 'How's the progress on the mood social stuff?'

Kaige didn't get a chance to do much this week between being sick and running back and forth to school, but it's near the top of my current to do list -- espeically the fight stuff

Trinity smiles at Kaige.

Trinity nods her agreement with Kaige.


Who Applied this Round?

Asmodean says, 'did anyone try to become a coder this time?'

Asmodean says, 'if so, you should auto accept them...'

Kaige whaps Asmodean across the back of the head with the welcome board!

Asmodean says, 'what'

LadyAce says, 'we posted names.'

Kaige says, 'oops I meant point welcome'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Asmodean says, 'I never saw em'

Herbert says, 'Cipherz...'

LadyAce says, 'Folks, he really IS old.'

Asmodean shrugs helplessly.

Asmodean says, 'if I see the name kaige, I think area updates and don't read :)'

LadyAce says, 'anyway, who else has questions?'

Asmodean says, 'since they are like, "grass now sways instead of blows"'

Asmodean says, 'not my cup of tea!'

Asmodean says, 'whoever the hell cipherz is...'

Herbert snickers at Asmodean nastily.

Asmodean says, 'does that cypherz guy stand a chance? :P'

Asmodean ducks to the ground.

LadyAce says, 'we can't comment, blah blah.'


Code/Building/Balance Discussion

Rush says, 'what language is legend written in?'

Asmodean says to Rush, 'c'

Rush nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'the code is in C, but the areas are in a language designed as we go'

Asmodean says, 'without any +'s!'

Rush nods solemnly.

Kaige says to Rush, 'just plain old ansi C'

Omni says, 'some parts are cobal and pascal!'

Kaige pokes Omni in the ribs.

TerrorSpawn says, 'hmm, wasn't it Ea who said, 'mostly C, but some is real mumbo jumbo''

Kaige says, 'hehe.. he's probably talking about board.c'

Herbert says, 'LegendMUD isnt even code.. its a swarming mass of chaos mathematics..'

Asmodean says, 'I don't blame the coders'

Asmodean says, 'there are like 3, and 2 of them don't have much time at all, the other one doesn't have time but does as much as he can anyway'

Herbert says, 'you quickly attack (random random random random), you do (random), you walk (random), you attempt to (random)'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Asmodean.

LadyAce says, 'we're hard up.'

LadyAce says, 'story of our life 'round here.'

Asmodean says, 'it just seems the little they do is only helping behind the scenes, like builders etc.'

Asmodean says, 'and builders are building slower then ever'

Asmodean says, 'so I don't see the benefit I guess...'

Herbert says, 'y'all need to live more by the 'if it aint broke dont fix it' philosophy i reckon'

Asmodean says, 'it doesn't seem like their work is really making any difference'

LadyAce says, 'I think the updates (which you ignore) are often pretty interesting and complex'

Lorenzo says, 'Objective-C'

Rush says, 'am i the only one who could live with legend staying exactly as it is minue crashing bugs forever?'

Asmodean says, 'like?'

Asmodean says, 'like it is?'

Kheldar says to Herbert, 'that philosophy works in some things, but theres also the arguement that if you don't improve and evolve, you become obsolete'

Asmodean says, 'its identical to me as it was 6 months ago, maybe even more :)'

Asmodean says, 'the mud is very....stale atm. Nothing is changing, and the drawing appeal of muds and the like is change'

Bass says, 'Patience is a virtue and It is free after all'

LadyAce says, 'the barge took a lot of act coding, it's a good example. All quests, all mobs that do anything besides just stand there.'

Kheldar says, 'umm how many new areas went in with in the last 6 months?'

Rush says, 'i mean peopel bitch and moan about no new areas but do you already know the whole damn place?'

Asmodean says, 'the barge?'

Herbert says to Kheldar, 'nah the tech here is at the perfect level for a text based environment, its the content and the community that make this place work and it seems theyre being ignored too muchj'

Asmodean sighs wistfully at the sight of LadyAce.

Herbert says to Rush, 'i do..'

LadyAce says, 'little stuff, like being able to use the prize machine to engrave initials on stuff.'

Rush says, 'do not'

Asmodean says to LadyAce, 'I'm sorry, I'm just not amazed by mobs talking to me anymore. Maybe when I was 10 and computer resolution was so stupid I can't believe people did anything with them...but not anymore, maybe I'm a freak, I don't know'

LadyAce says, 'the customizable weather, that kinda stuff.'

Rush says, 'couldn't give me dirs last night'

Vasago says, 'ive visited most of the muds that exist and im here'

Asmodean says, 'customizeable weather didn't DO anything in game'

Asmodean says, 'I never cared about what the weather was before the change, and I don't now'

LadyAce says, 'I think our effort largely focuses on deeper environment, with these changes and developments'

Asmodean says, 'I don't log in and type time to see the weather...'

Rush giggles.

Vasago says, 'most trimmings that other uptodate muds have arent required'

Rush loves the weather stuff

Herbert says to Rush, 'generally north east i said and it was right :p'

Asmodean says, 'unfortunately the deeper enviornment needs a reason to be used to be noticed'

Asmodean says, 'and thats lacking'

Asmodean says, 'barges?'

Cabal says to Vasago, 'I've played on EQ/AC/DAOC and im here :)'

Rush hugs Herbert.

Asmodean says, 'what, to transport newbies from london to sanfran?'

LadyAce says, 'It very much depends on the person, and their priority'

Kheldar says, 'perhaps, but some of the upcoming areas use the weather to determine quest success so you will be'

Bass nods his agreement with Cabal.

Kheldar grins evilly.

Lorenzo says to Asmodean, 'you are aware that there are three new areas, right?'

Asmodean says, 'thats not going to matter to 90% of the playerbase'

Kaige says to Asmodean, 'you need to get out and play more.'

LadyAce says, 'no, the barge quest....'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Asmodean shrugs helplessly.

Vasago says, 'vehicles could be done a little better - from what ive seen'

LadyAce says, 'and the new zone in Paris....'

Vasago shrugs helplessly.

Asmodean says, 'screw that'

LadyAce says, 'new zones in Alaska and Malta...'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Asmodean says, 'we have MORE then enough 50+++++ areas'

Herbert says, 'oh christ weather affecting quests.. fun.. like the 32 real life hours i spent on the high society quest wasnt bad enough now i gotta wait for a rainy day too?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Vasago.

Rush says, 'i dunno, i just have no problem staying ewntertained here'

Vasago says, 'the idea of carrying a car/boat always irks me'

Kheldar grins evilly at Herbert.. wonder what he's thinking...

Kaige says to Herbert, 'ahh.. but while you can't change time.. you can change the weather.'

LadyAce says, 'yea, it's irritating to us too'

Asmodean says, 'it doesn't feel like the imms are really buliding for players anymore'

Kheldar says to Herbert, 'not exactly but on those lines'

Rush cheers for Kaige - huzzah!

Herbert says to Kaige, 'my strength hitter cant :p'

Asmodean says, 'maybe I'm nuts, but it seems your all just competing with each other'

Rush says, 'my create will make some money!!'

Herbert nods his agreement with Asmodean.

Asmodean says, 'tyring to make the best acts'

LadyAce says, 'but we don't have the groundwork to eliminate them without making things really unfun for players.'

Trinity raises her eyebrow at Asmodean.

Asmodean says, 'the biggest, most epic quests'

Asmodean says, 'the stupidest, more overwhelming mobs'

Vasago says, 'the main draw for a mud beyond community is the framework/building/and balance'

Trinity says, 'I, for one, do not agree with that statement'

Asmodean says, 'when sometimes simple can really be nice'

Trinity says, 'for the record'

Rush says, 'i like the idea of docking boats'

Trinity beams delightedly.

Asmodean says, 'romania to this day is probably my favorite area in the mud'

Vasago says, 'system is v good/lots of nice well thought out touches'

Asmodean says, 'it has great quests, great mobs, a cool gizmo to heal a little bit, and is MANAGEABLE in size'

Vasago says, 'building is superlative'

Asmodean says, 'now aday everything is a freaking SUV compared to romania...'

Kaige thanks Vasago heartily.

Vasago says, 'balance - hrm dunno yet'

Rush says, 'i love india, i know, I'm a freak'

LadyAce says, 'I think that ultimately we design for a lot of different types of folks.'

Herbert says, 'if i could get a copy of LegendCode without any actual content i would be happy..'

Rush says, 'anc india'

LadyAce says, 'quests, descriptions, stuff like that may not appeal to you.'

Asmodean grins evilly at Herbert.. wonder what he's thinking...

Asmodean says, 'again'

LadyAce says, 'some people are bored senseless by pk, others by RP'

Asmodean says, 'its all utilitarian'

Asmodean says, 'if a description has a purpose, like pointing to a quest, I like it'

Asmodean says, 'if its just there to look pretty...I don't'

Herbert nods his agreement with Asmodean.

LadyAce says, 'we try to have something for everyone'

Asmodean says, 'but I don't expect everyone else to feel that way'

Asmodean says, 'thats not what I"m saying'

Asmodean says, 'look at it this way'

Asmodean says, 'when was the last time a builder just made NORMAL mobs that didn't hit for 400 hp a round, mobs you could fight solo and expect decent xp?'

Herbert says, 'im in love with the paris expansion mobs..'

Kheldar says to Asmodean, 'remember that when you look through my area'

LadyAce says, 'sure, but it does lead you to tell us that the stuff we worked on isn't useful, when all I'm saying is that it's not useful to you.'

Herbert says, 'i actually defend one of them with my life at times..'

Omni says, 'well, the bells and whistles help make this mud unique from just "you entered a room, nothing more than a damn room."'

Trinity nods her agreement with Omni.

Trinity says, 'If you don't like the bells and whistles, spend your time in WWII Africa'

Kheldar nods his agreement with Omni.

Trinity chuckles politely.

You are in a maze of twisty passages -- all alike.

Asmodean says, 'I like crusades, but I got tired of it because its so huge and is a bitch to get in and out. But in other respects, I loved the quests and the level 50 mobs.'

Vasago says, 'i sentence those that do not appreciate the quality of building to three lifetimes in stock midguarrd'

LadyAce giggles.

Asmodean says, 'the problem is they RUIN those areas'

Vasago throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Kheldar says to Omni, 'yeah, most of us have played the mud with 300 rooms of trees... all the same one sentence description'

LadyAce says, 'hey, no cribbing my housing descs :P'

Asmodean says, 'ah well'

Rush goes EEK! at Kheldar in distress - isn't Kheldar an awful person for teasing?

Omni nods her agreement with Kheldar.

Rush says to Kheldar, 'you're kidding?'

Asmodean cheers for Kheldar - huzzah!

You are at one end of a long road.

Rush admits that she has played other muds for maybe 30 minutes ever.

You travel along the road.

Herbert says, 'there's a difference between stock rooms and excessive over the top silliness'

You travel along the road.

Trinity giggles.

You travel along the road.

Asmodean says, 'I agree'

It's still a road. You're still on it.

Herbert says, 'you know what those echo's say to me?'

Rush rolls around on the ground with laughter.

You travel along the road.

Asmodean says, 'I'd rather 2 well built areas, then one extravigant area with millions of things mobs can say to you'

You are at one end of a long road.

Herbert says, 'the tara to xroads goddam full descs :p'

You are in a forest.

Asmodean laughs.

Lorenzo says, 'xyzzy'

Herbert says, 'You are on some generic crap road, you are still on it but theres a gate there, you are at a dusty intersection'

Kaige nods her agreement with Lorenzo.

Kheldar says, 'nope... a friend of mine today was talking about a LoR mud where they trying to make the scale of going from one town to another realistic... ie over 100 rooms from left to right... and not straight on a curved road through the middle'

Kheldar says, 'of a forest and field all with stock descs'

Asmodean says, 'I'm not asking you make areas sparse and stupid'

Kaige says to Herbert, 'I wish the mud I'd played on that had those descs had that much variety... any wonder I moved on?'

Herbert nods his agreement with Asmodean.

Asmodean says, 'I'm just saying this mud is supposedly going to cater to as many people as possible'

Rush says, 'would be better to make it take more move'

Asmodean says, 'and that means SOME areas should just be somewhat simple, without 9,000,000 endings to a quest'

Rush says, 'there are ways to simulate distance without being boring as hell'

Herbert says to Kaige, 'it was realm of despair or one of the old old ones?'

Lorenzo says to Asmodean, 'some are'

Asmodean says, 'or mobs with every skill in the game and scripts to eat your shoes if you lose'

Trinity nods her agreement with Lorenzo.

Asmodean says to Lorenzo, 'NONE are in the last 4 years'

Asmodean says, 'and the ones that are are slowly being converted'

Lorenzo says to Asmodean, 'some are. they're not new'

Trinity says, 'I dunno'

Lorenzo shrugs helplessly.

LadyAce says, 'there are SO many quests with only one ending :P'

Trinity says, 'I can think of a couple of simple quests in Alaska'

Trinity says, 'And Crusades'

Herbert says, 'you can write something beautiful without writing something excessive i believe is the point we're tryin to make'

Trinity says, 'And Russia'

Kheldar says to Asmodean, 'so what are you asking for? Besides less complexity?'

Kaige says to Herbert, 'Carnage and Renegade Outpost actually... tho I know too many had areas like that '

Asmodean says, 'I just don't like alaska, thats a personal thing, just like I hate pisles. Nothing against the content, I just for some reason don't like it'

Trinity looks up into the sky and ponders.

Trinity says, 'Tons of new simple quests'

Trinity shrugs philosophically.

LadyAce says, 'but the reason that we put multiple endings is to suit RP. Some evil dude with a whois list full of sweet nicey titles might feel kinda sheepish.'

Trinity nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Trinity says, 'And vice versa'

Asmodean says, 'I used to have a long whois list'

Asmodean says, 'I have no idea how many I don't have now adays'

Trinity says, 'Well, I think the new areas rock!'

LadyAce says, 'more fun to at least have 2 endings, good and evil....so that people can make that evil choice and not be penalized for it.'

Asmodean says, 'apperently I did a few alaska quests'

Asmodean chortles with amusement.

Asmodean says, 'I'm also sick of medieval, but thats off topic :P'

Lorenzo says to Asmodean, 'the problem I'm seeing here is this: to get areas, you need authors. to get authors to author, they need to be interested. how many people want to author the area you're describing, ignoring all the tools now available?'

Asmodean says to Lorenzo, 'I'm not saying ignore all of them'

Trinity nods her agreement with Lorenzo.

Asmodean says to Lorenzo, 'I'm saying every area doesn't need to be a fully loaded lexus'

Herbert says, 'ive wanted to author for a long time but my reputation is a little rough..'

Trinity says, 'Why not?'

Asmodean says to Lorenzo, 'sometimes a normal BMW is just fine :)'

Lorenzo smiles at Herbert.

LadyAce says, 'if we build an area that's not a lexus, we get nailed in review :P'

LadyAce says, 'and we get nailed by players.'

Kaige thinks we have a couple Yugos.

Rush says, 'i gotta question'

Asmodean says, 'thats not true'

Asmodean says, 'crusades is not excessive'

Asmodean says, 'in my opinion'

LadyAce says, 'over and over, why isn't there another quest here, or more descs there.'

Asmodean says, 'at least if you cut out AT :)'

LadyAce says, 'You say that, but damn have I heard a lotta complaints :P'

Asmodean says, 'your ALWAYS going to hear complaints'

Asmodean says, 'no matter what you put in it'

Omni says, 'like now!'

Trinity says to Asmodean, 'Case in point'

LadyAce says, 'people like to have the type of features they prefer.'

Trinity winks suggestively.

Asmodean licks Trinity.

Lorenzo says to Asmodean, 'we're hearing complaints now... so who should we listen to, any why?'

Vasago says, 'if you added a large scale world, which is a pain drawing the map trust me, you could add some for of descrip gen'

Asmodean says, 'your missing the point'

Asmodean says, 'I'm not asking you to fuck over people who like this shit'

Lorenzo says, 'scuse me, I don't mean to sound like staff.'

Asmodean says, 'you ARE asking them to fuck over people who don't like it'

Trinity blinks.

Asmodean says, 'which seems way more evil to me'

Herbert pets Asmodean lovingly.

LadyAce says, 'I'm just sayin, you think that simplicity would be better, because it'd be faster. I'm saying that non-simplicity is often a whole lot less fun'

Herbert says, 'ok so im not as much of a bad monkey as the king of bad monkeys'

Asmodean says, 'I don't want 100% areas being simple!'

Herbert grins evilly at Asmodean.. wonder what he's thinking...

LadyAce says, 'and simplicity is also stuff like, mobs that do specials to you when you're not in the room'

Asmodean says, 'and simple is undefined, really'

Asmodean says, 'well whatever, your going to keep making areas that are stupid, what I say won't change that :P'

Asmodean throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

LadyAce says, 'how many times have you complained that a mob shouldn't be able to do (blah) to you when you're not in the room/flying/wearing protection from foo, etc.'

Asmodean says, 'when I finally see an area with mobs WORTH KILLING again without a fucking group, I might conceed'

Trinity says, 'Why is an expansive, well-detailed area stupid?'

Trinity is completely boggled.

Asmodean says, 'its not stupid'

Asmodean says, 'I just DON'T CARE'

Vasago says, 'Parched and cracked the barren flats lie choked and beaten, a prone slave beneath the dry humid air. Craggy twisted vegetation cries out for the suppleness that moisture would bring to their gnarled limbs. A faint ghostly howl can be'

LadyAce says, 'every one of those responses to your condition takes all that terrible detail before we can respond to it.'

Asmodean says, 'I don't CARE if the chief can bash, kick, warcry, augment, firestorm, immolate, and gust of wind in one damn line'

Asmodean says, 'in fact, I find that STUPID'

Herbert says, 'the vorpal squirrel was removed why? because it was dangerous as all hell and it made Fionn look like a crackhead right?.. so why is it that lately every 50th level mob is a competition to beat it?'

Kheldar says to Asmodean, 'thats difficult actually since anything that doesn't require a group is very strictly controled for balance reasons'

Vasago says, 'eek thats a random descrip, simple lazy can be reasonable in quality'

Asmodean says, 'areas are all based on how many lines of talk a mob has now'

Kaige says to Herbert, 'prolly cause people say they like challenge and aren't getting any?'

Asmodean says, 'I miss when it was all about how well the mob fought WITHOUT cheating, and if it was WORTH it to kill it without a giant group'

Asmodean says to Kaige, 'thats because you refuse to fix areas like PD'

Herbert says to Kaige, 'theres a line between a challenge and excessive damage messages without just reward though'

Omni says, 'i must admit though, i ddn't likethe barney beef up, i say let mobs stay as is and beef up new ones'

Asmodean says to Kaige, 'I can kill a pirate in pd, probably solo without dying'

Asmodean says to Kaige, 'its worth about the same xp as metacomat...'

Rush says, 'whats wrong with pd?'

Asmodean says to Kaige, 'I guarentee I can't kill metacomat'

LadyAce says, 'anyway, I think this discussion has overtaken any actual questions remaining -- if there are any?'

Herbert nods his agreement with Asmodean.

Lorenzo says to Asmodean, 'really? I should try a pirate, I guess.'

Asmodean says, 'and mobs that were once cool now suck, like southland, or the assayer in san fran'

LadyAce says, 'I think the summary to all of this is that we have a whole lot of priorities to balance, and our cocktails may not be mixed exactly like you'd mix yours.'

Herbert nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Asmodean says to LadyAce, 'and they shouldn't be'

Vasago says, 'i think its fab'

Asmodean says to LadyAce, 'but they shouldn't be mixed exactly with ANYONE'S'

Asmodean says to LadyAce, 'not if your trying to cater to as many as possible'

Vasago says, 'try trawling through the crud of other muds for a while'

Kheldar says to Asmodean, 'well, I'm afraid in many ways you won't like trade then.'

Asmodean shrugs in response to Kheldar's words.

Asmodean says to Kheldar, 'if I can get 100k an hour at level 50, nope, I'll hate it'

LadyAce smiles at Vasago.

Asmodean says to Kheldar, 'if the mobs are worth 60k and do 700 damage on average, I'll hate it'

LadyAce says to Vasago, 'that's kind of you to say.'

Asmodean says to Kheldar, 'if the mobs are worth 20k and a level 50 mob, hate'

Vasago says, 'heh i talk truth if it was crap id tell ya'

Asmodean says to Kheldar, 'if the quest requires me to time trans 7 times, hate'

Vasago grins evilly.

Asmodean says, 'there hasn't been a nice solo area in forever. I have a feeling there never will be again, and thats a crying shame'

Lorenzo says to Asmodean, 'the whole mud is a nic solo area'

Asmodean says, 'yea, if you don't mind healing 95% of the time'

Trinity says, 'It just seems to me that there are more ways to xp than soloing gargantuan mobs'

Trinity shrugs philosophically.

Asmodean says, 'sure are'

Trinity says, 'Call me old fashioned'

Asmodean says, 'klien mobs aren't gargantuan'

Asmodean says, 'in fact, they are about the only "good" mobs in the game'

Trinity shakes her head.

Asmodean says, 'in my opinion, levels 50's should hit about that hard and be worth about 50k'

Asmodean says, 'but thats not the case'

Omni says, 'to be honest, those of us that have been around for a while don't care as much about changes in the mud, we just log in for the friends we made over the past few years'

Trinity nods her agreement with Omni.

Trinity says, 'well'

Kheldar nods his agreement with Omni.

Trinity says, 'to an extent'

Trinity giggles.

LadyAce says, 'well, the average lev 50 mob with no dressing is 20k.'

Kheldar says to Omni, 'but hopefully new areas are a plus too ;p'

Asmodean says, 'I keep making pkillers hoping pk will do something cool...thats the only reason I xp'

Asmodean says, 'but I'm now trapped at level 28 with nothing to fight...'

LadyAce says, 'nothing fancy = 20k. That's the scale, that's how it works :P'

Asmodean says to LadyAce, 'yea, and nothing fancy should do like 100 hp'

Lorenzo says to Asmodean, 'you mean I'll never get to group with you? damn.'

Omni says to Trinity, 'i wouldnt log in every week if i didn't have friends to socialize with while i bore myself at work, no matter what code changes happen'

LadyAce says, 'yea, they don't do much damage when they're like that'

Trinity says to Omni, 'Oh, I agree'

Asmodean says to Kaige, 'its all about the adrenaline rush'

Asmodean says, 'aw shit, I might die!'

Asmodean says, 'nope, I win, I get 10k at level 50, woo! that sucks :P'

Trinity says to Omni, 'But I won't go so far as to say changes don't affect me'

Trinity chuckles politely.

Trinity looks up into the sky and ponders.

Asmodean says to Kaige, 'according to the page, you get a bonus for fighting mobs that are a serious challenge..unlike here'

Asmodean says to Kaige, 'but of course they are advertising, could be false'

LadyAce says, 'the bonus for challenging mobs is that they're worth more xp, and if they're a higher lev than you, there's a bonus for that too :P'

Asmodean says, 'they aren't worth much more'

Asmodean says, 'they could do as much as double the damage, I guarentee they won't be double the xp'

Asmodean says, 'at which point you have to ask yourself...sure, its more fun to fight this mob, but its going to take me 100 more hours to hit 50'

Lorenzo says to Asmodean, 'so let me get this straight: it's good to offer bonuses for challenges, but lvl 50 mobs shouldn't be xtra hard and be worth more xp?'

Asmodean says, 'not to mention more down time'

Asmodean says to Lorenzo, 'no'

Kaige says to Lorenzo, 'especially if you have to group to kill them'

Asmodean says to Lorenzo, 'sandra mobs are worthless, never worth soloing'

Trinity nods her agreement with Kaige.

Asmodean says, 'other mobs for example, like the rhino and lion, are also worthless, not worth killing'

Asmodean says, 'some mobs, are just right'

Asmodean says, 'klien'

Asmodean says, 'they CAN kick your ass'

Asmodean says, 'they are not GUARENTEED to kick your ass'

Kaige would say they more regularly get THEIR asses kicked.

Asmodean says, 'and they usually have a weakness of some sort, like guards have low hp but decimate and rip you.'

Trinity says, 'Perhaps the fun in killing a mob is found in something your missing?'

Kaige says, 'by characters that shouldn't be able to kick a level 50 ass.'

Asmodean says to Kaige, 'I agree'

Asmodean says to Kaige, 'I wish my level 35 didn't have to kill level 50's'

Asmodean says to Kaige, 'unfortunately there aren't many other viable choices'

Asmodean says to Kaige, 'I could fight a level 50 and lose 200 hp for 60k xp'

Trinity says, 'BAH!'

Asmodean says to Kaige, 'or I could fight 3 level 35 mobs for 17k and lose 300 hp'

Trinity says, 'Okay, I leveled a 35 to 40 in about a day in Seoni'

Trinity shrugs philosophically.

Asmodean says, 'alot of it depends on char type'

Asmodean says, 'dex is the best, because of ac and dodge and the like'

Trinity says, 'thats a matter of opinion'

Trinity chuckles politely.

Asmodean says, 'no, thats a matter ot truth :)'

Trinity shakes her head.

Asmodean says, 'ac is by FAR the most important newbie stat'

Asmodean says, 'unfortunately it loses its power at higher levels'

LadyAce says, 'alrighty...I think we're really drifting. If there aren't any more questions, I need to close up the session.'

LadyAce says to Rokkan, 'thanks for coming'

LadyAce says to Apathy, 'and you!'

Rokkan says, 'i didn't do anything'

Rokkan says, 'i was just listening'

LadyAce says to Vasago, 'good luck exploring'

LadyAce says to Rokkan, 'but thanks for joining us anyway'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Kaige gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Kaige waves happily.


Additional Topics Answered

This section is intended to address some of the things that come up repeatedly and also provide a place where players can submit questions via the feedback channel (Q&A) so questions can be logged when they're thought of and the answers reported back here.

Also, some of the builders will often have some feedback on suggestions and typos that get reported with some of their reasoning for why things are the way they are or won't be incorporated into the areas.


Commonly Reported as Bugs but Aren't

o I think view s <mood> <social> should show the way the moody social will appear.
If you use the mood first, (i.e. <mood> view s <social>) It will show the messages as they appear using that mood.
o Hey! Using CHAT <social> on charmies in the same room doesnt seem to work.
Nope. This is not a bug, but as designed. Socials do not work on mobs on channels, period.
o I didn't get blessed in the almsgiving room!
As designed this is not a 100% guranteed bless every time.

Commonly Reported as Typos but Aren't

o Why not make redcedar trees in different places, like Alaska, red-cedar to make it look better?
Redcedar is the actual name of the tree. So that's why it's spelled that way and not hyphenated.


o I would like to see the mood singsongy, were you are content and happy at the same time and your voice reflects that by sounding singsongy.
Have you looked at the musical mood? It seems to be along those same lines.
o I've noticed in history, that there was a famous killer in london, not sure which one it was but jack the ripper should replace the vampire in london, if the times don't match, oh well, but if you can have both vamp and jack the ripper that'd be cool too.
The current Port of London is set before the time of Jack the Ripper, but as mentioned previously, you'll have to see what Leila has cooked up in the big London expansion.
o You can't use multipliers with moods, e.g. "3*exasperated clap juggler"
Hmm. You're right. The parser currently doesn't catch the 3* in there if you're using a specific mood to start the command.
o When picking a house lock, is there a greater likelyhood of picking it if you remain in the room over the skill lag?
Nope. It doesn't matter where you are.
o I was wondering the reason behind not having room acts or regenning items available in player housing?
This was part of how the housing system was coded. These are basically layers of complication in the code that weren't deemed essential or easy to implement. Each housing room template has the basic information for the room and the types of doors it can have and any items that might come with it. Since these rooms are saved out into a separate file, getting additional features like acts and resets to go along with these rooms in the correct place in the file is rather complicated.
o Do q&a submissions go into the bug lotto? ;)
Nope. Only entries on the BUG/TYPO and IDEA channels get put into the bug lotto each week. If reports come up frequently in there, they may make their way to be answered here as well.

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