Lecture Series Index

February 20th, 2003

Q & A Index

Topics Covered

New Herb Progess?
Combine Container Ideas?
Chemistry or Pharmacology?
No New Herbs In New Areas?
No more "The ..." Pretitles?
Making Trans Mobs Immortal?
Progress with Bug on Item Loads?
More on Problems in Greece
Port of the Sea Peoples?
Animating Corpses Change?
Names vs Keyword Matching?
Hitroll Limits?
Discussion on Areas & Quests

Additional Topics Answered

General Suggestions/Questions

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New Herb Progess?

Xylander says, 'oh... on the discussion board awhile ago it said you might be working on new herbs and so on.. is that still happening or is it shelved temporarily?'

Kaige says, 'it's at a really icky spot in the implementation phase... boring'

Kaige snores loudly.

Kaige says, 'and is sorta on hold...'


Combine Container Ideas?

Xylander says, 'combine container for crusades... a flask, some oil, a rag...'

Xylander says, 'ya see where im going with that?'

LadyAce says, 'that makes what?'

Kaige says, 'a molotov cocktail!'

Xylander says, 'a flask of greek fire to throw not dip in'

Xylander says, 'or just to make your own greek fire would be fun'

LadyAce says, 'the code doesn't support that kinda thing with objects, tho I could make greek fire that way'

Xylander says, 'flaming things always appeal to the destructive types'

Kaige says, 'Dinah would love you for it.'

Xylander blushes bright red.

Kaige giggles.

Xylander says, 'oh! pick me pick me!'

LadyAce says, 'what I'm really looking for are things more along the lines of stuff that's already out there and even used for other things'

LadyAce says, 'because while it's neat to go get x items to make y thing, it's no less trouble than spamming over to get the thing'

LadyAce says, 'so I'm looking for how to use it as a value add, if you see what I mean?'

Xylander says, 'so make the playermade version better'

Xylander says, 'like the lotus eaters DI's NEVER last as long as my ninja 100spi ones'

Kaige says, 'I'm still looking for a place to put Ruf's example of magic sword/dagger/sheath combo'

Kaige says, 'I figure it'll have to be arabia... shame that the mage there is create and not cause tho'

LadyAce says, 'the greek fire is a great point tho, someone idea that so they get the credit :)'

Lorenzo giggles at LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'if I do it, though, I'm going to have to ask for more vnums :) I've held off for so long!'

Xylander bounces around.


Chemistry or Pharmacology?

Xylander says, 'chemistry, will that ever be an option for the surgical caste... or pharmacology..'

Kaige says, 'the big stumbling block on pharmacology is getting together a drug database similar to the herb one'

Xylander says, 'like for combining pills or potions together but requiring lab space or tools to do so... but with different results'

Xylander says, 'oh i could DO that, if Sandra wanted to help me..'

Lorenzo says to Kaige, 'walgreens!'

Lorenzo says to Kaige, 'or the physician's desk reference cliffs notes!'

Xylander says, 'but make the effects on it less magical and more real world..'

Kaige nods her agreement with Xylander.

LadyAce says, 'that's our idea, yea'

Xylander says, 'like a cough syrup to stop plague, a soothing balm for blind, things like that..'

Xylander says, 'im sure i hassled ya over all this a LONG time ago as part of my surgeon rants..'

Hawklin says, 'and you can use herbs in it aswell'

LadyAce says, 'well, herbal remedies for those diseases exist too :)'

Kaige says, 'what we wanted were historical uses.. like camphor and that stuff from victorian london I'm blanking on'

Xylander nods his agreement with Kaige.

LadyAce says, 'laudanum?'

Kaige says, 'that's it!'

Hawklin says, 'oooh DRUGGIES'

LadyAce says, 'or laudnaum maybe *spells badly*'

Xylander says, 'ive been bugging Haley for ages to work on the port of london expansion but shes too busy with other things'

Xylander holds his head down and mourns the dead.

Cheyla says, 'haley's doing london now?'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Cheyla.

Kaige says, 'chloroform too.. so you could put it on a bandage and use it on a person and maybe make them sleep'

Xylander nods his agreement with Kaige.

Xylander says, 'see! its like the actual era!'

Kaige says, 'leila.'

Cheyla nods her agreement with Kaige.

Xylander says, 'it would awaken a BOLD NEW WORLD!'

Xylander drools contentedly.

Cheyla says, 'yeah, leila had london, haley got rome'

LadyAce says, 'ah, rightright.'

Xylander says, 'ohhh so ive been bugging the wrong people!'

Cheyla nods her agreement with Xylander.

Xylander snaps his fingers. ATTITUDE!

Xylander says, 'but if you really wanted a historical drug database id do that for free'

Cheyla says, 'builder board is still relatively up-to-date on who's doing what'

Kaige says to Xylander, 'you got my email'

Xylander nods his agreement with Kaige.

Xylander says, 'aright then i will work on that this week for kicks'

Xylander throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Xylander says, 'after all that stuff is what ive lived and died for on Legend mostly'


No New Herbs In New Areas?

Mavado says, 'just wondering why I've watched dozens of new areas be implemented, and never seen a new herb.'

Kaige says, 'because they're coded, not defined in the area files. Last new herb that went in was the black lotus and seaweed with greece.'

Mavado says, 'well, the lotus isn't really an herb that people can use, though it'd be nice if we could.'

Kaige says, 'Actually, you can.' Larnoc says, 'some more uses for make amulet would be nice'

Kaige says, 'on the list too.'

Mavado says, 'make amulet rocks, imo.'

Larnoc nods solemnly.

Mavado says, 'foul..'

Larnoc says, 'amber or fingers, ears that sort of thing'

Mavado says, 'foul could have a use. :p'

Mavado will shut up now.

Kaige says, 'one of the things slowing down the new herbs stuff is the bunch we'd be adding need all these new affects added with them and that takes longer to add and cross check to make sure everything's set up exactly as it has it in the new herblore files'

Larnoc says, 'ah'

Mavado says, 'so, going in with skilltrees?'

Mavado ducks to the ground.

Kaige says, 'luckily tho... a lot of those are the same as the new poisons stuff Ea! had been working on'

Larnoc says, 'actually I read the skilltrees faq the other day and some of it's here :P'

Larnoc sticks his tongue out at Mavado. =P

Cheyla nods her agreement with Larnoc.

Mavado says to Larnoc, 'most of it is.'

Larnoc says, 'so are you chaps actually working on Spatial combat then ?'

Kaige says to Larnoc, 'no active work on it no.'

Larnoc sniffs sadly.

Larnoc says, 'okees'


No more "The ..." Pretitles?

Lelldorin says, 'yes it was me, will pretitles with the prefix 'the' be outlawed any time soon?'

Kaige says, 'not ones that make sense'

Lelldorin says, 'i knew it!! uncooperative imm-types! i'm outta here!'

Kaige says, 'some that will work better as post-titles will be set up that way if possible.'

Kaige says, 'well, that's certainly cooperative on his part...'

Myrthorn says, 'hrmm ... impatient players still?'

Myrthorn sighs loudly.

Kaige says, 'why would they be outlawed in the first place would be a good next comment.'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Kaige says, 'but if he doesn't want a discussion on it.. his perogative to leave rudely'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.


Making Trans Mobs Immortal?

Myrthorn says, 'any way to make these mobs that control the time trans jumps non killable?'

Myrthorn says, 'prob not ...'

Kaige says, 'yes, but a lot of them wouldn't make sense to be so...'

Myrthorn says, 'just have been noticing a huge increase lately of players killing the mobs that control the gateways'

Benecio finishes writing on a small piece of paper from Benecio.

Kaige says, 'also every mob that can't be killed limits the variety of ones out there that can be.'

Benecio reads a small piece of paper from Benecio.

Benecio starts appending to a small piece of paper from Benecio.

Cheyla says, 'useful PK tactic, too'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Cheyla.

Myrthorn nods his agreement with Kaige.

Lorenzo says, 'I prefer fading them, myself'

Lorenzo chortles with amusement.

LadyAce says, 'we do make a habit of allowing some ways for people to be "mean" to each other -- we don't seek to block them all from being even possible'

Shorkan says to Lorenzo, 'you cant fade.. and you dont pk..'

Kaige says, 'we do need another hug besides london and southseas that spans all three eras in the same location, but they should be widespread enough that it would take concerted effort to eliminate ALL of them'

Myrthorn says, 'yah, that's what I noticed .. pk tactic'

Benecio finishes writing on a small piece of paper from Benecio.

Benecio reads a small piece of paper from Benecio.

Myrthorn says, 'gets annoying for those of us that aren't pk'

Cheyla says, 'incentive to learn other transes :) hard to keep all of them down at once'

LadyAce says, 'there's a level where we leave in the "irritating" or "upsetting" sorts of possibilities -- it creates other kinds of opportunities'

Lorenzo says to Shorkan, 'my spell list disagrees with you on your first point, and my death log disagrees on the second'

Lorenzo shrugs in response to Shorkan's words.

Kaige says, 'or just plain hang out and rent in less high traffic areas'

Benecio marks a small piece of paper from Benecio.

Lorenzo says to Shorkan, 'i don't pk a lot, granted'

Benecio reads a small piece of paper from Benecio marked '(long)'.

LadyAce says, 'if there was never a DT hit or a corpse recovery to do, a lot of interactions would never be started....that's an element of this too'

Myrthorn says, 'I've learned most of them, and have occasionally found it impossible to jump sometimes'

Myrthorn nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Herbert lies down in a giant snowdrift.

Bart whaps Herbert across the back of the head - your ears ring in sympathy.

LadyAce says, 'I can totally see it from a player perspective, it's irritating and stuff...I just want you to know that we're not trying to be callous with it'

Myrthorn says, 'oh, nah, I didn't mean it that way'

LadyAce says, 'Just a tip -- sometimes I go forward by going backwards, and vice versa :) usually it'll work out circuitously'

Myrthorn nods solemnly.

Herbert says, 'WHOAH!'

Myrthorn smiles at LadyAce.

Herbert says, 'that was an intimidating word'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Myrthorn.

Herbert says, 'circuitously'

Emrysia sits down and rests.

LadyAce says, 'sorry, I had a couple extra syllabic dollars to spend.'


Progress with Bug on Item Loads?

Lorenzo says, 'I was wondering whether the, um, issues with mob items loads, shopkeepers, etc had been resolved? Some of the alternative routes are positively tortuous!'

Cheyla giggles.

Lorenzo kills two birds with a single stone.

Lorenzo says, 'it seems like they're better, but maybe the trouble spots have just moved.'

Kaige says, 'Hopefully some of snapper's memory fixes will help with that.. but it's something we can't easily tell until we put a full complement of players into the mix doing all the things they usually do.'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Kaige.

Lorenzo says to Kaige, 'ok! thanks :)'

Kaige says, 'and yeah. it's very likely it will only push the problems elsewhere'

LadyAce has created a dhole!

A dhole says, 'You rang?'

Lorenzo giggles.

Kaige says, 'bob!'

Lorenzo knocks a dhole over and flops all over her.

Kaige hugs a dhole.


More on Problems in Greece

Herbert says, 'ok mines basically a follow up of what Trinity said last time about the P. Isles'

Cheyla shudders.

Herbert says, 'i fought the Calydonian (sp) boar recently and it was excessive'

Herbert says, 'it stunned no less than 10 times in the fight, and quite often consecutively'

Herbert says, 'which to me just seems ridiculous for a 50k xp mob which is useful only for one redemption quest'

Kaige says, 'there's currently about 200 bug entries for greece and pisles combined... not the worst, but doesn't make it attractive for someone to want to pick up maintenance on either.'

Herbert says, 'i can understand it being fairly tough so getting the favor of a king back is worth it, but good lord..'

Herbert nods his agreement with Kaige.

Cheyla says, 'you'd haveta start paying me to touch those areas'

Herbert says, 'just seems like its one of the more troubling ones to the playerbase, not many other areas get bleated about at Q&A like P Isles do'

Herbert chuckles quietly to himself at something he found particularly humorous.

Kaige says, 'somme used to and wwii north africa...'

Herbert says, 'well other than Crusades lately but its pretty vigorously done over'

Herbert applauds LadyAce's quick thinking and good judgment.

Kaige says, 'but again.. they're not well maintained areas, so people don't see their complaints being addressed'

Lorenzo says to Kaige, 'could someone offer that as a builder proposal? fix greece? not that I want to, just curious.'

Kaige says, 'well, on one hand, it's sort of rude when the builder's still listed as being on the staff...'

Herbert nods solemnly.

Lorenzo says, 'oh, oops'

Kaige says, 'on the other hand.. if he's not going to be active...'

Lorenzo scuffles his feet around in the dirt.

Lorenzo says, 'i thought from what you'd said that he had already gone inactive :/'

Kaige says, 'inactive doesn't equal retired.'

Herbert says, 'mostly though i love the area, its just far harsher than is necessary'

Herbert chortles with amusement.

Cheyla nods her agreement with Kaige.

Herbert says, 'then again i did greek classics for a year or two at Uni so of course im gonna like it'

Herbert says, 'oh!'

LadyAce doesn't think Crusades is getting that much in the way of complaints...'cept you and your posttitle :P

Herbert says to LadyAce, 'no but it used to and you fixed it all, which is what i meant'

LadyAce says, 'well, I figured that was because I was here and open season :)'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Kaige says, 'I'll see about taking another run through it see what can be addressed... clear, concise and helpful bug reports are MUCH easier to address when it's not an area you built so you can easily find and fix the problem'


Port of the Sea Peoples?

Herbert says, 'a question on top of that one, what the HELL is the point of the port of the sea peoples'

Herbert says, 'i always was curious about that port, its like 4-5 rooms of nothing'

Herbert says, 'and none of the mobs even do anything exciting'

Herbert says, 'when i was a newbie type i thought maybe it was some excessive player housing thing some mobs had wandered into..'

Kaige says to Herbert, 'which?'

Herbert ducks to the ground.

Herbert says, 'the port of the sea people'

Cheyla says to Kaige, 'phonecia'

Kaige says, 'ahh'

LadyAce says, 'I think it's just a less-developed little stub of rooms'

Herbert says, 'you only end up there if you go too far east on the way to anywhere else'

LadyAce says, 'it sticks out a bit, but there are plenty of other places which are just kinda there'

Herbert says, 'at least egypt has some quests, eq and stuff though'

Herbert says, 'this is like a handful of low level mobs, in empty rooms just sitting there'

Herbert stifles a laugh as he regards the situation at hand.

Herbert nods solemnly.

Herbert says, 'they should all set fire to their surroundings move to ithaca and block off the room exits as part of a giant tinyplot to free up their vnums'

Herbert ducks to the ground.

Herbert says, 'or have the Kraken come smash them all to smithereenies'

Herbert nods to himself.

Lorenzo says, 'maybe they need a hyksos invasion.'

Herbert scratches his chin in pondersome thought.

Herbert says, 'well im going to go poke the seapeople and see if maybe they DO do something othern sit in their little hovels'

Herbert gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Herbert disappears in a puff of logic.


Animating Corpses Change?

Shorkan says, 'okay.. is there going to be a change with animating corpses .. I was wondering if you animate a corpse where do the eq go ?'

Kaige looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kaige says, 'currently I think it just goes poof.'

Kaige looks up into the sky and ponders.

Shorkan says, 'cant it be made so it just drops the eq ?'

Kaige says, 'since the object is removed from the game and the new mob loaded'

Lorenzo says to Shorkan, 'it dematerializes into the ether where its energy is used to supply animation to the corpse'

Lorenzo nods to himself.

Shorkan shrugs helplessly.

Kaige says to Shorkan, 'idea it. we'll see what the coders do with it'

Cheyla says to Lorenzo, 'good in-game reasoning'

Lorenzo smiles happily.

Kaige says, 'sicne the mob's already dead and you could have taken it out anyway.'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Cheyla.

Kaige says, 'tho i'd be tempted to say the new mob should be equipp'ed with it instead of just dropping it.'

Shorkan says to Kaige, 'well that depends if its a skeleton'

Shorkan says to Kaige, 'but if its a zombie then it would be cool if it kept the stuff..'

Kaige says, 'see there you're getting tricky... should cloth disintegrate with the decaying flesh?'

Kaige giggles.


Names vs Keyword Matching?

Lorenzo says, 'so, in re this "lord" keyword thing -- once I idead that PC names should always have precedence over keywords when doing partial matches on keywords. any thoughts on that -- is it not feasible or something, or just sy on resources?'

LadyAce says, 'keywords is a scarrrry topic'

Kaige says, 'it's on the list of things to redo better.'

Lorenzo says, 'ooh. didn't know'

Lorenzo smiles happily.

LadyAce says to Lorenzo, 'you could apply and fix them :) no one else wants to do that this minute'

Cheyla chuckles politely.

Lorenzo chuckles politely.

Cheyla says to Lorenzo, 'yeah, and fix my port problem'

Lorenzo says, 'but I want to fix board.c when I apply!'

Myrthorn chuckles politely.

LadyAce says to Cheyla, 'do they allow out http?'

Lorenzo giggles at Emrysia.

Cheyla says to LadyAce, 'https only at this point'

Cheyla says, 'and didn't cipherz have dibs on board.c at this point?'

Kaige says, 'Yeah, he's wanting to redo it.'

Lorenzo says, 'awww. i have such superb ideas about it!'

Lorenzo sighs loudly.

Lorenzo says, 'oh well, i'm always the latecomer to code projects'


Hitroll Limits?

Fayline points at a silver medallion.

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

Fayline says to Kaige, 'bless only gives 2 hit when someone is wearing a silver medallion'

Trinity blinks.

Fayline says to Kaige, 'like if you bless me.. with it on I'll get 2.. then I remove and it registers as 5'

Kaige looks up into the sky and ponders.

Cheyla says, 'reaching hit limit?'

Kaige says, 'it's probably somethign to do with how +hitroll is limited.. of which I'm not sure exactly how that's figured off the top of my head.'

Fayline says, 'well I have 47 as it is, but bless would still pop me up 5 regardless'

LadyAce says, 'do you end up with more hit if you do that in a different order?'

Kaige says, 'tho I recall a similar question coming up before.'

Fayline says, 'I asked it earlier but it didn't make sense'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Fayline says, 'because I can go full agg and bless and have .. uh.. 61'

Fayline says, 'or I should be able to'

Trinity shakes her head in disagreement.

Lorenzo shakes his head in disagreement with Fayline.

Fayline says, 'if I remove collar I can go full agg and bless and still get 55'

Fayline says, 'no, I can'

Fayline says, 'or I should'

Trinity says, 'No ya can't'

Trinity winks suggestively at Fayline.

LadyAce tried to 'splain it to her earlier but ended up in a tangle

Lorenzo says to Fayline, '50 max'

Fayline says, 'no'

Kaige says, 'before spells/agg'

Fayline says, 'you aren't listening'

Fayline says, 'I have 47 now'

Fayline says, 'with bless and agg I go up to 61'

Trinity says, 'Bless counts towards eq hit max, last I thought'

Trinity may be wrong.

Fayline shakes her head.

Fayline says, 'I get 5 without the medallion on'

Kaige says, 'something that's going to require code diving to figure out I think.'

Fayline says, 'brb, lemme get old gloves real quick to test'

Cheyla says, 'and if you're getting 2 with the medallion, that'd support what trinity is saying'

Lorenzo says, 'just re-read help -- it says you can get 27 from eq, and 23 from stats. you can get more from bless and agg'

Trinity shakes her head.

Trinity says, 'Bless counts towards the 27 eq'

Trinity says, 'You can go agg, and that's about it'

Lorenzo looks up into the sky and ponders.

Lorenzo says, 'seems like help is wrong then'

Fayline says, 'well I have 47, I should still get 3, only 2 though'

Trinity says to Lorenzo, 'What's new?'

Trinity panics, and attempts to flee.

Trinity sits down and rests.

Kaige says to Trinity, 'well, all I can say is, they're easier to fix when they're pointed out.'

Trinity smiles at Kaige.

Lorenzo says to Fayline, 'do you know what the 47 is coming from? it's not just a hard limit, it matters what causes it'

Cheyla says, 'dec 12 qa had this same thing'

Trinity was being strategerically ironical.

Fayline says, 'brb'

Fayline takes off her silver medallion.

Fayline wears a pair of worn riding gloves on her hands.

Cheyla says, 'that qa said bless was a %, not a flat number'

Trinity looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kaige says, 'yeah I can't recall what it was a percentage of.. does it say?'

Fayline says, 'ahh'

Fayline says, 'so bless does max out at 50'

Fayline grins evilly at Trinity.. wonder what she's thinking...

Trinity grins evilly.

Cheyla says, 'LadyAce says, '% of your hitroll, not a +X amount''

Kaige nods solemnly.

Fayline says, 'it's been an x amount for as long as I've known'

Fayline takes off her pair of worn riding gloves.

Fayline shrugs helplessly.

Cheyla says, 'LadyAce says, 'so it's capped by how much you already have''

Trinity says, 'hrm'

Cheyla says, 'then you didn't read the answers you got in that qa :)'

Kaige says, 'yeah i think it was changed a long time ago and the helpfile for it was never updated with it.'

Fayline says, 'I did, but from my experience, is what I"m saying'

LadyAce says, 'maybe it seems like a set # because you usually hit the same amount when the percent is taken?'

LadyAce says, 'decrease your hr down to like 10, see if it's different'

Cheyla says, 'same topic was covered on 10/10 qa, too'

Lorenzo chuckles politely.

LadyAce says, 'you'd think we'd get to the darn helpfile, then!'

Emrysia says, 'i remember the december one.'

LadyAce chuckles politely.

Fayline wears a silver medallion around her neck.

Lorenzo giggles.

Lorenzo says, 'helpfile edit in progress, it seems :)'

Cheyla says, 'the 10/10 one covered it a bit differently'

Kaige bugged it so she wouldn't forget this time!

Kaige says, 'cause it's not in the helpfile fixes needed list.'

LadyAce has lots of windows open and made the change

Cheyla chuckles politely.

Kaige says, 'dat works too'

[Note: turned out there was some hitroll being gained from a +dex item that was not being figured into the mix and adding to the confusion.


Discussion on Areas & Quests

Cheyla says, 'can we get back to the area question kaige had if there weren't any others?'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Cheyla.

Myrthorn jumps up and down.

Cheyla says, 'she asked what your fav area was and why'

Myrthorn says, 'prob my favorite is the French Indian war / Canada / LakeGeorge area ... just cause I grew up near there'

Kaige says, 'cool! so you're likely to have lots of cool and relevant ideas for Kae'

Myrthorn says, 'near Albany ... the whole area sorta takes me back'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Lorenzo says, 'kae is taking over fiwar?'

Cheyla says, 'kae's had it for a while'

Myrthorn nods his agreement with Kaige.

Myrthorn says, 'yah'

Kaige says, 'so it's doing a good job of capturing the local feel for you.'

Myrthorn says, 'don't know a lot about the canadian area ... but fort Ticonderoga, and lake George area, yah'

Lorenzo says, 'there should be a fort dearborn w/ trans to chicago once that goes in!'

Myrthorn nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'boy, that'd be cool'

Lorenzo smiles happily.

Cheyla says to Lorenzo, 'gonna propose builder, too?'

Lorenzo giggles at Cheyla.

Lorenzo says to Cheyla, 'one thing at a time :)'

Cheyla says to Lorenzo, 'feh, isn't how we do things!'

Lorenzo chuckles politely.

Kaige smiles at Emrysia.

Kaige says to Emrysia, 'your turn!'

Emrysia looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kaige says, 'or not. Lorenzo?'

Kaige smiles at Emrysia.

Kaige says, 'whoever'

Lorenzo shines a big spotlight from the back onto Lady Emrysia.

Emrysia says, 'favourite area?'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'and why'

Emrysia looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce giggles at Lorenzo.

Myrthorn projects an aura of heavenly light above Kaige's head.

Lorenzo says, 'it's a hard question!'

Emrysia says, 'I like alaska. There are a lot of neat things there, the mobs are decent xp at the apropriate levels, the mobs respond to things. The area has depth'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Cheyla blushes as she sees Emrysia here.

Myrthorn nods agreement

Kaige says, 'reasons I'd expect from you too... =) You're a well-rounded player. Not just after one thing'

Myrthorn says, 'I've just recently discovered Alaska in its fullest myself ... have to agree'

Emrysia giggles.

Kaige says, 'some people would say "Oh! That area cause it's got the best easiest to get gear and all the big easy xp mobs are all right in one spot!"'

Emrysia says, 'nothing drives me more crazy then mobs that don't respond to anything'

Kaige says, 'that's easy.. but boring very quickly for a lot of players and not to mention builders.'

Kaige nods her agreement with Emrysia.

Cheyla nods her agreement with Kaige.

Cheyla snores loudly.

Myrthorn says, 'I like running around and trading with the injuns, and swapping all those goodies'

Emrysia nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'it's also one of the hardest things to keep up with.'

Emrysia says, 'another reason i like alaska is the fact that there are other ways of gaining xp...'

Emrysia giggles.

Kaige says, 'the making sure mobs have appropriate and not misleading responses for stuff'

Emrysia nods her agreement with Kaige.

Cheyla says, 'add one response, generate the need for 2 more'

Kaige giggles.

Kaige nods her agreement with Cheyla.

Emrysia says, 'i doubt i could come up with apropriate responses for mobs.. but, it is something I appreciate in an area and at least for me, makes an area come alive'

Kaige says, 'or set people off on a wild goose chase for some non-existent quest with some toss off line'

Kaige scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Emrysia says to Kaige, 'but that's half the fun!'

Cheyla says to Kaige, 'or a quest you intended but never finished'

Kaige says, 'well one of the things that's helpfuyl, at least to me!, is if you find something that you think a mob should respond to, to idea it, with a suggestion of what they should respond'

Kaige says, 'or what made you ask them that and they didn't respond'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Cheyla nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'just making idle conversation is one thing....'

LadyAce giggles.

Kaige says, 'helps highlight the ones that are more logical.. not just random noise'

Myrthorn looks up into the sky and ponders.

Emrysia would like to strangle a certain mob in alaska who responds to lots and lots of stuff, but she can't figure out how to get her to do what she's supposed to do.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Emrysia's head.

Cheyla raises her eyebrow at Emrysia.

Kaige says, 'note that with everything you've tried too'

Cheyla chuckles politely at Emrysia's feeble witticism.

Cheyla can only say you won't figure that one out cuz there's nothing for you TO figure out.

Kaige says, 'I love areas where I can go in and get the keywords where they'll respond, but I don't have to figure out the exact phrase the builder was thinking of to get the triggers to go off'

Emrysia peers at Cheyla, looking her up and down.

Kaige says, 'it's one of the things I don't like about Romania'

Kaige says, 'the triggers are too narrowly defined.'

Emrysia nods her agreement with Kaige.

Lorenzo hugs his regex parser.

Cheyla chuckles politely.

Kaige says to Lorenzo, 'it uses regex to make them so narror'

Kaige says, 'err narrow'

Cheyla says, 'but it's not a bad thing on the whole, either, to make it more difficult to just script how to do the quest'

Kaige nods her agreement with Cheyla.

Kaige says to Lorenzo, 'ok! You're on the carpet now!'

Kaige pokes Lorenzo in the ribs.

Myrthorn attempts to prod Lorenzo but Lorenzo isn't about to go anywhere.

Cheyla attempts to prod Lorenzo but Lorenzo isn't about to go anywhere.

Lorenzo blinks.

LadyAce says to Cheyla, 'was thinking someone else could take a turn while he was out'

Cheyla says to Lorenzo, 'your turn to say what your favorite area was and why'

Cheyla says to LadyAce, 'not many others here that haven't'

Cheyla says to LadyAce, 'just us imms'

Lorenzo says, 'hmm... i'm up?'

Lorenzo frowns.

LadyAce nods her agreement with Cheyla.

Lorenzo says, 'I don't know :( I won't play the "but I like them all" card, but... there are things i like differently about diff. areas.'

Cheyla says, 'like which and what?'

Lorenzo says, 'well, i'm not a well-rounded player, to start with :) .. so i'm not sure that things i like in one place aren't true in another, for example'

Lorenzo says, 'i guess there are certain characteristics that especially strike me in different places'

Lorenzo says, 'e.g. in alaska, I feel a certain kind of color, not in the "color ansi" sense, but in the variety of description'

Lorenzo says, 'and in crusades, and somewhat in malta, I feel a strong sense of history'

Lorenzo says, 'that's pratly colored by what I know about places and times'

Lorenzo says, 'partly'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Lorenzo says, 'so since I don't know much myself about alaska, the historical element doesn't strike me as strongly -- it's more a cultural description'

Cheyla nods solemnly.

Lorenzo says, 'though there's some awareness of it as i drive past the russians :)'

Kaige giggles.

Cheyla says, 'most i can do is assure you alaska is as accurate historically as i can make it'

Cheyla giggles.

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Cheyla.

Kaige can assure you arabia completely isn't.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Myrthorn snickers softly.

Cheyla giggles.

Lorenzo says to Cheyla, 'yes, i don't mean that i don't think it is -- just that it's not the thing that most strikes me about it'

Lorenzo smiles happily.

LadyAce says, 'it's worth making a distinction between whether the area is trying to portray a place in time or an event/series of events in time.'

Cheyla nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Myrthorn nods solemnly.

Lorenzo says, 'i like the feel of crusades, the desertiness, the description of the territory. i think that a lot of my reaction to places has to do with my personal responses to the descriptions'

Cheyla says, 'yeah, alaska isn't overly event driven and isn't a place of overly common knowledge'

Lorenzo says, 'and the sense of conflict goingon'

Lorenzo looks up into the sky and ponders.

Lorenzo says, 'hmm, pick another one... pittsburgh is interesting in the tone of its characterization'

Emrysia looks up into the sky and ponders.

Myrthorn says, 'tone of its characterization?'

Myrthorn is completely boggled.

Lorenzo says, 'i don't necessarily think that it's what was intended, but the feeling that I get from it, personally, is sort of cartoonish -- not because it's like that, but cause it's the chord that harmonizes from my experience'

Myrthorn nods solemnly.

Lorenzo says, 'i think of bugs bunny cartoons :)'

Myrthorn giggles.

Lorenzo says, 'smacking a carrot and wearing a bowler while tommy-gunning daffy duck'

Lorenzo shrugs helplessly.

Lorenzo says, 'so I'm not sure I have exactly the right sort of experience -- it's highly dependent on what resonates for me'

Kaige nods her agreement with Lorenzo.

Myrthorn says, 'I like the pizza and the hoagies, and the Coke'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Myrthorn.

Kaige says, 'I know what you mean, I think.'

Lorenzo says to Myrthorn, 'pop-py'

Lorenzo says, 'pop cultur-y I mean'

Kaige says, 'some areas have less depth, but still aren't cardboard cut-outs just standing there to be whacked and could be anywhere.. there's still a distinct impression of the area left with you'

Kaige says, 'what's the biggest turn off in any area for you guys?'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Kaige.

Cheyla says, 'it's good to have the different perspectives, though, since we want to appeal to all sorts of people'

Lorenzo looks up into the sky and ponders.

Myrthorn says, '... erm, pkers ...'

Myrthorn ducks to the ground.

Cheyla chuckles politely.

Kaige says, 'heh... inherent to the area'

Kaige giggles.

Emrysia looks up into the sky and ponders.

Cheyla says, 'something other than that!'

Lorenzo says, 'my biggest turn-off, I think, isn't areas so much as the way people treat areas'

Lorenzo says, 'I could list other turn-offs, but that's the biggest'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Cheyla says, 'like how?'

Kaige says, 'how other players treat the space you're in...'

Kaige says, 'like the reception'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Cheyla nods her agreement with Kaige.

Cheyla says, 'that was my thought, too, but...'

Lorenzo says, 'I don't like the "SL run" phenomenon, where it's a matter of getting in, whacking a symbol of xp, moving on, not dying, etc.'

Myrthorn nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'I mean it's good to have common gathering spots...'

Kaige says to Lorenzo, 'unfortunately, that's just how some people enjoy playing.. the achievement of it all is all there is for them'

Emrysia says, 'lack of depth is the biggest turn off. If the mobs aren't 'doing' anything, then my interest tends to fade quickly.'

Cheyla says, 'so more of a wham-bam-thankya-ma'am attitude as opposed to people immersing themselves in the area to a degree'

Kaige says, 'I've never understood why the French beach is the launching grounds for PD...'

Emrysia says, 'a good SL run has it's place'

Emrysia giggles.

Lorenzo says, 'last time I went to shadowlands, I tried to have a conversation with skatha. it was okay by the person I was with, but a lot of people have no time for that sort of thing'

Kaige says, 'most of the boucaniers WERE french!'

Lorenzo says, 'so, like I said, it's not the area, it's the people'

Emrysia says, 'i do hate that there's never the time to read descriptions in any of the 'run' zones.'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Emrysia.

Myrthorn nods his agreement with Lorenzo.

Lorenzo says to Cheyla, 'oh, yes to what you said :)'

Emrysia says, 'and people assume they know everything there is to know about all the areas.'

Lorenzo missed some things while trying to keep up with his poor typing.

Kaige says, 'even if they haven't been to a given area in 5 years'

Emrysia nods her agreement with Kaige.

Kaige giggles.

Cheyla is still extremely amused with PD winning the Best Forage Section.

Kaige nods her agreement with Cheyla.

Myrthorn shudders.

Emrysia has been trying to figure out where to forage in PD...

Emrysia shrugs helplessly.

Kaige says, 'I think most people were thinking of the turtles which is actually tortuga.. but they don't stop there long enough on the leech run in'

Kaige meows cattily and twirls her whiskers with a not-so-innocent flair.

Cheyla says, 'you can, I made sure of that... but it isn't custom'

Cheyla says, 'it's the old original worms and beetles, berries and leaves'

Cheyla nods her agreement with Kaige.

Emrysia laughs.

Myrthorn is scared of PD ... his summoned elementals are wimps

Kaige says to Cheyla, 'we should list that as "PD (and any other area without custom forage sections)'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Emrysia giggles at Kaige.

Lorenzo says, 'but here's a thing that bugs me about areas -- hmm, how shall I put this politely?'

Cheyla giggles at Kaige.

Cheyla says, 'don't?'

Cheyla says, 'just say it?'

Lorenzo says, 'the effort to sort of gain prestige as an area by installing all the latest, greatest coolio equipment and winning favor on the basis of everyone wanting your new goods.'

Kaige says, 'arms race'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Kaige.

Cheyla says, 'like KZ this year?'

Lorenzo says, 'i like eq, and new eq, and learning about it, but there's such a thing as too much too fast'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Emrysia.

Emrysia says, 'was that the intention, or just people's reaction though?'

Cheyla says, 'think it's largely just the reaction'

Lorenzo says, 'yes, I don't know about intentions, and I haven't actually been there'

Emrysia nods her agreement with Cheyla.

Lorenzo says, '(because it apparently takes about 4 hours if you're lucky to get in and out intact, and I don't have that kind of time)'

Kaige says, 'I don't think it was the intention in such a "crass" way... bart tends to build things he'd like as a player (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) and we did ask him to tone things done before it was installed.'

Lorenzo says, 'i'm basing comments on observations of player response'

Lorenzo says, 'i admit it might not be a fair characterization of bart, and I don't hold it to him personally'

Lorenzo smiles happily.

Emrysia says, 'it was a big exciting thing... a new run zone.. (and we ALL know run zones have the best eq! *coughcough*)'

LadyAce says, 'it IS pretty high density for eq'

Kaige says, 'which is important to have a place that appeals to the type of player as well.'

Emrysia nods solemnly.

Cheyla says, 'only used KZ since it was current and so prominent in the Expies this year'

LadyAce says, 'judging by the number of items that hit the expies anyway'

Cheyla nods her agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says to Lorenzo, 'no I wasn't taking it as you saying he was being that way.. jsut saying I don't think he intentionall built it that way either'

Lorenzo says, 'yes, the expies seemed like a good indicator'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says to Emrysia, 'have to make the reward worth the effor somehow'

Emrysia nods her agreement with Kaige.

Emrysia says, 'kill zone was the new exciting thing this year. It had the best press'

Emrysia giggles.

Lorenzo says, 'and while I'm complaining, I *hate* the name killzone! :/'

Lorenzo says, 'but maybe that's cause it reminds me of a particular person'

Myrthorn gasps in astonishment.

Myrthorn says, 'me?'

Myrthorn smirks.

Kaige is certainly tired of deleting "kz" and "killzone" from the missed helpfile log.

Cheyla chuckles politely.

Lorenzo says, 'who named his computer "killzone", and was really a horrible guy'

Emrysia laughs.

Cheyla says, 'think bart's the one that coined KZ'

Kaige nods her agreement with Cheyla.

Kaige says, 'he intended it to be a zone where players got killed.'

Kaige chuckles politely.

Kaige says, 'so it got shortened to the killzone'

LadyAce says, 'how about quests -- which ones appeal to you most in structure?'

Emrysia looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says, 'I'm always trying to think of ways to make quests more like puzzles and less like item transfer'

Myrthorn scratches his head

Cheyla nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Kaige says, 'fedex quests are boring...'

Kaige snores loudly.

Lorenzo rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Emrysia says, 'that depends on my level. I like the simple fetch and carry ones at the lower levels.. more complex ones later.'

Cheyla is still pleased with how the big-game hunter one has stumped people.

Lorenzo says, 'I was just about to say my reaction to those is always "can't I just fedex it?"'

LadyAce giggles at Lorenzo.

Cheyla giggles at Lorenzo.

Kaige says, 'but if you can string them together so it's a long string of needs you have to satisfy it's more engaging'

Emrysia nods her agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says, 'the scary thing is, that's now an "industry term" for them'

Kaige giggles.

Lorenzo says, 'chuc'

Emrysia says, 'i admit, I use quests at lower levels as a quick xp boost, usually after a death'

Emrysia giggles.

Cheyla chuckles politely at Kaige's feeble witticism.

Lorenzo chuckles politely.

Kaige says to Emrysia, 'do you like the ones that are the same every time, or where the mob may ask for something different?'

Lorenzo says to Kaige, 'i didn't know, i swear! must validate the term's propriety some, though :)'

Emrysia says to Kaige, 'oh, asking for something different is cool.'

Lorenzo hangs his head.

Kaige says to Lorenzo, 'other popular name for them is "fetch-n-carry"'

Lorenzo says to Emrysia, 'my confession is I swing through xp rooms and quests to get to level 10'

Lorenzo scuffles his feet around in the dirt.

Emrysia nods her agreement with Lorenzo.

Myrthorn says, 'I've played a *lot* of text adventures ... and a lot of what are quests here are not what I'd consider quests ... I've (embarrassedly) used the db's to find quest solutions ... or just quests period.'

Emrysia loves the new random xp rooms, btw.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Emrysia's head.

Kaige says to Emrysia, 'what about ones where they might require more than once character to complete?'

Gelderhart sits down in a giant snowdrift.

Kaige smiles at Gelderhart.

Gelderhart smiles happily.

Kaige says to Gelderhart, 'we're basically just rambling about things we like/dislike about areas and quests in general'

Gelderhart nods solemnly.

LadyAce says to Gelderhart, 'if you happen to have other questions, squeak up :)'

Myrthorn says, 'sup pal'

Myrthorn jumps in the air and slams a thunderous high-5 with Gelderhart!

Gelderhart says, 'I will.'

Emrysia says to Kaige, 'those are cool, but way harder to complete. In fact I've never done one like that.. (unless you count the SL 'quest')'

Gelderhart shakes Myrthorn's hand.

Lorenzo says, 'i like problem-solvy ones, like for example, figure out what one mob wants, then figure out how to get another mob to help you satisfy that'

Cheyla's never done a multi-character quest, either.

Kaige says to Emrysia, 'I have one in place, where if you're strong enough you can do it by yourself, otherwise you have to get another character (can be charmy too) to help you.'

Lorenzo says, 'i prefer if it doesn't require a carry to relate, and if you have to solve a sub-problem for the second mob, too'

Gelderhart says, ''Scuse me. Just got a call. brb'

Emrysia nods her agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says, 'it's not high up there on the exposure list tho'

Cheyla says to Lorenzo, 'can you think of one as a quick example?'

Lorenzo says, 'hmm...'

Emrysia looks up into the sky and ponders.

Lorenzo says, 'really I'm just imagining what's nice, but I might be able to think of one'

LadyAce says, 'the sort of "I'll help you with x, but first do y for me?"'

Emrysia says, 'i think i might hve found a quest in a certain ancient area that requires two other characters to complete, but i can never find two other people to help me'

LadyAce has some of those in Klein expansion.

Emrysia giggles.

Lorenzo nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Myrthorn says, 'ooh'

Kaige says to Emrysia, 'this one's med.'

Kaige giggles.

Emrysia looks up into the sky and ponders.

Lorenzo says to LadyAce, 'like that, yes :)'

Kaige drove Kae nuts for month's while she tried to find it.

Fantaisia sits down in a giant snowdrift.

Emrysia says to Kaige, 'gonna have to try and find that one!'

Myrthorn smiles at Fantaisia.

Cheyla giggles at Kaige.

Fantaisia smiles at Myrthorn.

Emrysia searches throught areainfo to see which areas are Kaige's... or maybe which ones aren't would be a shorter list...

Kaige says, 'I'm gonna have to find some similar situation and use things like that elsewhere.'

Cheyla nods her agreement with Emrysia.

Kaige says to Emrysia, 'about the same I think... tho i think I'm technically under half again'

Lorenzo says, 'i'm having trouble thinking of actualy examples, but here's a hypothetical one based in a real one:'

Lorenzo says, 'take the art & spirit of music one, for example, where you bring items to a guy. what if the people you got those items from would give you those items only if you performed some task for them?'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Lorenzo says, 'not just asking them a question, or killing them'

Kaige says, 'like you'd have to do something for Pan and he'd actually give you his set of pipes'

Lorenzo nods solemnly.

Emrysia says, 'overall i have a love hate relationship with quests in general. I love completing them, i hate the frustration of not being able to figure them out. :P'

Myrthorn tips his hat to Gelderhart.

Fantaisia smiles at Gelderhart.

Kaige nods her agreement with Emrysia.

Gelderhart smiles at Fantaisia.

Gelderhart sits down in a giant snowdrift.

Lorenzo says, 'bring him some reeds to fix the pipes with, or find something out for him... fedex doesn't have to be bad, it only feels bad when it's really really simple'

Gelderhart crosses his legs comfortably.

Kaige says, 'yeah. from a builder's perspective it always amazes me how clues are missed, ignored or misinterpretted... but then I've been so close to it scripting it.. it's hard to see those points'

Cheyla says, 'sounds sorta like the alaska trade stuff in a way'

Huginn waves happily.

Kaige says, 'ok I've been resisting this all night...'

Cheyla nods her agreement with Kaige.

Kaige flops all over a giant snowdrift.

Cheyla giggles.

Myrthorn rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Kaige makes a snowangel.

Fantaisia laughs.

Emrysia says, 'but really simple has it's place too... if everything were really complicated, that would get boring too'

Gelderhart smiles happily.

Kaige nods her agreement with Emrysia.

Kaige says to Emrysia, 'or really frustrating'

Emrysia nods her agreement with Kaige.

Lorenzo giggles at Kaige.

Cheyla says, 'yeah, it's funny to see how people really complicate some of the simpler quests'

Emrysia peers at herself myopically.

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Emrysia.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Emrysia's head.

Lorenzo says, 'i think having a mix is good'

Kaige says, 'like I could make Allen have you fix his problem before he gave you his item for the asking, but seems overkill in the long run'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Kaige.

Gelderhart says, 'It's easy to underestimate the difficulty of some of the quests.'

Lorenzo says to Kaige, 'yes, good example :)'

Lorenzo says to Kaige, 'oh, oops'

Gelderhart says, 'The clues are often too obscure, or require the foreknowledge of having played before.'

Kaige says to Lorenzo, 'and chances are you fixed his problem before you went looking for the other.'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Lorenzo says to Kaige, 'i was actually thinking that might be a good approach -- maybe not required, but one way to do it'

Cheyla nods her agreement with Gelderhart.

Kaige says, 'those are absolutely the hardest for us to see...'

Cheyla says to Gelderhart, 'and those need to be pointed out'

Kaige nods her agreement with Cheyla.

LadyAce says, 'I think that the difficulty/obscurity has *really* improved in the last few years.'

Gelderhart laughs.

Lorenzo says, 'you can fix his problem, and leave it at that, or you can fix his problem as one alternative path toward getting the thing'

Kaige says to Emrysia, 'like when you get frustrated... I'll gladly read your notes on why'

LadyAce says, 'I was horrible at quests as a mort...never found any. These days, they find *me*.'

Lorenzo says to Kaige, 'if you don't already know about alfonso, then there's a free clue'

Emrysia smiles at Kaige.

Kaige nods her agreement with Lorenzo.

LadyAce says, 'Malta is a great example of that. Kae leaps out and thrusts quests upon you :)'

Emrysia scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Myrthorn gasps in astonishment.

Emrysia says, 'but i don't like to complain'

Emrysia giggles.

Lorenzo giggles at Emrysia.

Lorenzo nods solemnly.

Cheyla says to Emrysia, 'then phrase it more as feedback instead'

Emrysia says, 'you all have enough whiners to deal with'

Emrysia giggles.

Kaige says to Emrysia, 'well, also pointing out things you like along the way is good too!'

Cheyla nods her agreement with Kaige.

Lorenzo says, 'i'm pretty bad, too... like *hang* i'm afraid I don't know about cheyla's trade quest :('

Cheyla says, 'yeah, it's always nice to see the occasional kudos "bug" in the list'

Lorenzo says, 'honestly, I don't know how I got so many whoises'

Emrysia giggles at Lorenzo.

Cheyla says to Lorenzo, 'and there's even more'n one'

Lorenzo says, 'sometimes they just pop up and I don't know what I did!'

Emrysia says to Kaige, 'generally, i just assume there's something wrong with me if I can't figure out a quest.'

Emrysia giggles at Lorenzo.

Emrysia says to Lorenzo, 'you talked to a mob!'

Kaige says to Emrysia, 'I wouldn't. If it's one of mine, I'd assume I was being too narrow and obscure with clues'

Cheyla says, 'or killed one'

Lorenzo says, 'i have no clue how I lent a helpful hand to the nottinghamish'

Lorenzo shrugs helplessly.

Emrysia nods her agreement with Kaige.

Emrysia says to Kaige, 'i'll keep that in mind'

Gelderhart says, 'The trouble with talking to mobs, is that even those mobs not involved in quests respond the same way to questions they don't understand.'

Kaige says, 'I think that one had a bug.. one of my chars got it for nothing I could think of he'd actually done that should have been required to get it'

Lorenzo says, 'sometimes i walk into a quest because of something I say to another player'

Emrysia nods her agreement with Lorenzo.

Emrysia says, 'that's fun when that happens'

Lorenzo says, 'i happen to include some particular word, and they jump into the conversation'

Gelderhart says, 'Like, how do you know you're asking the right person the wrong thing, rahter than the wrong person the right thing.'

Gelderhart raises an eyebrow inquiringly.

LadyAce says to Gelderhart, 'there, though, I wouldn't want them to respond any differently either way'

Lorenzo says, 'it's a neat effect, but could be cuter if they responsed in more of a "pardon me, but..." way when I'm not addressing them'

Lorenzo says, 'responded'

Gelderhart says, 'So basically you don't have any way of knowing whether you're in a quest situation or not, until you actually start it?'

Lorenzo says, 'that's lots of work though, I imagine, to make them respond differently to the same thing based on whether it's ask/say/talk'

LadyAce says to Gelderhart, 'because the "I don't get it" response you'd get from somebody, it'd be a big giveaway if they said "You might be asking me about some kind of quest, but I can't particularly help you out unless you use the words X or Y"'

LadyAce says to Lorenzo, 'I've done that some -- part of the trouble is that a lot of the mud relies heavily on act_ask for everything'

Kaige says to Lorenzo, 'and we only recently got the ability to have mobs react differently to things said TO them'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'so people tend to "ask" whether they mean to really ask a question or actually just talk'

Cheyla says to Lorenzo, 'in some ways, it is... i try to make most of my mobs that want a question respond to ask but not talk or say the same way, and vice versa'

Gelderhart says, 'You don't have to be *that* explicit. Just give a different I don't understand type response.'

LadyAce says to Gelderhart, 'but how would they know the difference?'

Cheyla says to Lorenzo, 'so if they're expecting a "yes" instead of "yes?" they'll respond different... but there are some limitations'

Emrysia says, 'that actually kinda irks me.. that sometimes you have to use the right form of communication, not just the right words.'

Gelderhart tugs on a lock of his hair absentmindedly, lost in thought.

LadyAce says to Gelderhart, 'if they get what you're saying, they wouldn't say they didn't know what you meant....'

Emrysia looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kaige says, 'well the "puzzle" response is hard coded and the default for "I didn't match that to any of my acts (or I don't have any acts)'

Gelderhart says, 'But if you don't ask quite the right thing, they could say something, instead of just looking at you confused....'

Lorenzo says, 'yeah, i understand there's a lot of historical stuff constraining the way things are.... i guess I'm just mentioning things that are neat, or could be more exciting to experience'

LadyAce says, 'but how do they know it's "not quite right"?'

Cheyla nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Myrthorn reminds Geld that tugging on his hair will only make it greyer

LadyAce says, 'if they understand it, they should respond....if not, no.....'

Myrthorn snickers softly.

LadyAce says, 'if you think a mob is being too picky about syntax, you should report that'

Gelderhart says, 'But if the mob isn't part of any quest, then there isn't anything *specific* for them to respond to.'

Gelderhart says, 'I presume the quest mobs are flagged as such in some way?'

LadyAce says, 'lots of mobs that aren't part of quests have stuff to say, though....'

Cheyla says to Gelderhart, 'and they often know nothing about what the quest is'

Myrthorn nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'nope, not really'

Gelderhart says, 'Hmmm'

LadyAce says, 'most mobs will respond about something. But there isn't any distinction anywhere about 'this is a quest mob' versus 'this is not''

Myrthorn says, 'Kif inti?'

Gelderhart says, 'Ah, there's the problem then.'

Emrysia dreams of the day of AI mobs and not being able to tell who's a mob and who's a PC :P

LadyAce says, 'if they're giving you clues, they may not know it.'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Lorenzo says to Myrthorn, 'Mixpantzinco, Myrthornin!'

Gelderhart says, 'So how are the players supposed to know, if even the MUD doesn't?'

Myrthorn snickers softly.

Gelderhart smiles happily.

Cheyla says to Gelderhart, 'oh, the mud knows...'

Myrthorn says, 'oogrook?'

LadyAce says, 'by asking and thinking about the responses, I guess.'

Myrthorn is completely boggled.

Cheyla says, 'oogrook is an animal, not a greeting'

Myrthorn rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Fantaisia laughs.

Lorenzo giggles.

LadyAce says, 'sometimes you'll get a mystery which might be a quest or might not.'

Myrthorn says, 'yessum'

Cheyla says to Gelderhart, 'just every single mob in the mud doesn't know'

Gelderhart says, 'But those who are, do?'

LadyAce says, 'following through on mysteries, investigating oddities, whatever you come across....that's how you find quests.'

Emrysia says, 'i often find clues in looking at the mob.'

Cheyla says, 'those involved definately should, and you may get some that aren't involved that may know something or "heard" something'

Myrthorn says, 'oodities ... like ... Geld?'

Gelderhart bonks Myrthorn on the head!

Myrthorn says, 'erm, oddities?'

Myrthorn falls flat on the ground trying to duck under a giant snowdrift.

LadyAce says, 'anything you see that seems strange or unusual.'

Emrysia does a visible double take, not quite believing a giant snowdrift is here.

Gelderhart buries Myrthorn in the snow.

Cheyla says to Myrthorn, 'and you'd want something more like cama'i instead of oogrook'

LadyAce says, 'anywhere that it seems like you might be able to help'

Kaige says, 'and noting the things that you get stuck in a dead end on will help us too'

Emrysia sits down and rests in a giant snowdrift.

Gelderhart says, 'It's just knowing whether you *are* stuck or not that is the problem.'

LadyAce says, 'you're the best judge there....'

Gelderhart says, 'I often don't know if the lack of response is me not asking the right thing, or the mob not being part of any quest.'

LadyAce says, 'if you've tried everything you can think of, and are still stuck, then you can report it and we can see about unsticking you'

Myrthorn says, 'he is ... he can solve Andy Phillips IF quests ...'

Cheyla says, 'there might not even BE a quest, to make it even more confusing'

Myrthorn snickers softly.

LadyAce says, 'that sort of uncertainty is a great thing to pass along'

Gelderhart says, 'that's exactly what I mean.'

LadyAce says, 'but sure, lots of mobs will talk about their lives or environment and there's nothing to do with a quest at all'

Gelderhart says, 'I don't particularly like to spend 2 hours trying to prise a clue out of a mob who isn't any use.'

Gelderhart says, 'I.e. isn't part of the quest anyway.'

LadyAce says, 'well, I wouldn't spend 2 hours with a mob like that either....'

Gelderhart smiles happily.

Gelderhart says, 'Figuratively.'

Lorenzo puts a new scroll in a black satin top-hat.

Emrysia says, 'so basically you like quests that are easy and obvious?'

LadyAce says, 'if you suspect that it's just syntax getting in the way, use bug to tell us you think the mob is too picky'

Emrysia giggles.

Lorenzo puts a piece of cured fish in a sinister-looking canister.

Gelderhart says, 'No, I don't like easy or simple quests.'

Myrthorn raises his eyebrow at Gelderhart.

Kaige says, 'another thing to think about... quests often get added to mobs becuase players THINK there's a quest there and they mention being driven nuts.'

Gelderhart says, 'But I don't like obscure ones either.'

Huginn hugs Kaige.

Myrthorn says, 'nooo ... geld doesn't like easy anything'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think we're too plagued with obscure quests.'

Gelderhart laughs.

LadyAce says, 'do you have any examples?'

Emrysia says to Gelderhart, 'then don't do the obscure ones? :P'

Kaige says, 'I know ofat least three I've added because of things like that.'

LadyAce says, 'and folks, let's tolerate the diversity we have in our midst, ok?'

Gelderhart laughs.

Cheyla nods her agreement with Kaige.

Gelderhart says, 'The trouble is, I don't know they're obscure until I've tried to find it.'

Emrysia nods her agreement with Gelderhart.

Gelderhart shrugs helplessly.

LadyAce says, 'yea, I'm currently combing through klein turning 'semi clues' into real quests for that very reason'

Emrysia says, 'by wich point your curious and want to figure it out'

Emrysia giggles.

Kaige says, 'well some examples of ones you thought were obscure after the face'

Kaige says, 'err fact'

LadyAce says to Gelderhart, 'examples, examples!! :)'

Emrysia says to LadyAce, 'two words! jorgen and strassendirne! (ok, three.. but...)'

Gelderhart says, 'Lemme think... I'm not quite encyclopedic yet.'

LadyAce giggles at Emrysia.

Kaige giggles at Emrysia.

Emrysia says to LadyAce, 'there's a story there, i just know it!! :P'

LadyAce is combing through the new stuff....the old stuff will come :)

Kaige says to Emrysia, 'the way I understood them... they were more an experience you could get lured into, not a quest.'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

Myrthorn says, 'erm, I can give an example ... but don't want to spoil anything for others'

Gelderhart says, 'Ah, that's probably a better description.'

Emrysia giggles at Kaige.

LadyAce says, 'and that's an important distinction...some stuff is just going to be an experience.'

Gelderhart nods solemnly.

Lorenzo says to Kaige, 'hmm, jorgen and eine strassendirne are an experience to be lured into? I'm not sure I want to know more about that....'

LadyAce says, 'discovering experiences like that can be a lot of fun too, whether they're a quest or no'

Emrysia laughs at Lorenzo.

Cheyla chuckles politely at Lorenzo's feeble witticism.

Kaige giggles at Lorenzo.

Lorenzo smiles happily.

Kaige has created a small piece of paper!

Kaige starts writing on a small piece of paper from Kaige.

Gelderhart says, 'Things like joining the Knights of St John seemed almost impossible to work out just from what I coulddetermine around me.'

Kaige finishes writing on a small piece of paper from Kaige.

Kaige mails a small piece of paper from Kaige.

LadyAce says, 'hmm...you might want to listen a little more to the clues....'

LadyAce says, 'that quest in particular, it's all "IC" but the place crawls with clues.'

Cheyla says, 'that one felt pretty straight-forward to me, it was the navigation through the area i had the most problem with and finding people'

Gelderhart says, 'Or know that the clues are there?'

Gelderhart laughs.

LadyAce says, 'reading through the IC stuff to a practicality can be a little harder, true.'

LadyAce says, 'it does take some amount of putting yourself into the mob's mind'

Kaige says, 'one of the things I've been highly amused by lately is all the people wondering why a whois says they ate a hazelnut when they certainly didn't... I took the whois from the text at teh end of that quest section'

Gelderhart says, 'Being a problem writer, as well as solver, it's easy to lose how open or closed a problem is when you're on the inside of it.'

LadyAce says, 'deciding that something means "not a teacher of this thing" as opposed to "will teach if you do somethin different"'

Cheyla snickers at Kaige nastily.

Kaige nods her agreement with Gelderhart.

Gelderhart says, 'But there are certainly some very good quests around too. Don't get me wrong.'

Myrthorn nods solemnly.

Fantaisia nods solemnly.

Myrthorn tickles Fantaisia.

Fantaisia smiles happily.

LadyAce says, 'any favorites?'

Myrthorn says, 'ooh, ask Fant a question'

Myrthorn rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Fantaisia pokes Myrthorn in the ribs.

Gelderhart says, 'Oh cripes! Now I've got to think again!'

Gelderhart laughs.

Emrysia ponders favourite quests...

Gelderhart ponders a giant snowdrift's existence.

LadyAce says, 'I'm awfully fond of some of the ones I've come across in Melbourne and Dreamtime, myself.'

Gelderhart says, 'I've not been down there much.'

Gelderhart says, 'I should add I am comparatively new to Letgend'

Emrysia says, 'I think my favourite ones are the ones i haven't done yet'

Emrysia giggles.

Gelderhart says, 'or Legend even'

Gelderhart laughs.

LadyAce giggles at Emrysia.

Emrysia says, 'the more obscure ones that everyone doesn't know about'

Kaige says to Emrysia, 'like that two person one'

Kaige winks suggestively at Emrysia.

LadyAce says to Gelderhart, 'you may find that your "sense" of quests improves greatly with time'

Emrysia nods her agreement with Kaige.

LadyAce says, 'In general, very few people take to questing as easily as they figure out other aspects of Legend'

Lorenzo says, 'i liked the zoo animals one in melbourne, and the tiddalick one. i did those recently :)'

Emrysia says, 'there are clues to one in dreamtime that's been driving me nuts for a long time...'

LadyAce says, 'though some of the newbie quests are right up there with rat killing'

Lorenzo says, 'i just thought those were cute :)'

Lorenzo looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kaige says, 'mouse killing's kinda cool when it happens too'

Gelderhart says, 'Hmmm. Well, as I'm not familiar with all the quests, and don't even remember all the ones [email protected] done, I'll take your word for it.'

Myrthorn throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Gelderhart grins evilly.

Kaige was surprised by that one earlier today too

Lorenzo says to LadyAce, 'and I still love the gma quest, even if I can't find anyone to hepl me get back and finish it :)'

Gelderhart shrugs helplessly.

Kaige smiles at Gelderhart.

LadyAce says to Gelderhart, 'you've had some pretty good luck it looks like, by your whois list.'

Gelderhart shakes his head.

Myrthorn says, 'aww, don't get him going ... his ego is big enough'

Kaige says to Gelderhart, 'The reason I ask questions like this is to see what people are thinking and where to put some extra effort in'

Myrthorn ducks to the ground.

Gelderhart says, 'Just read around. And watched other people.'

Gelderhart puts his hands around Myrthorn's throat, attempting to strangle him. Maybe you should just stay back.

Gelderhart laughs.

Kaige says, 'and seeing if we're putting effort in the right places'

Emrysia looks up into the sky and ponders.

Fantaisia says, 'there is one that could have a bit of a better ending'

Emrysia says, 'the first quest i ever did was the witches ring quest.'

Emrysia says, 'at the time i thought it was awesome'

Emrysia giggles.

Fantaisia says, 'The one over in Norway when you find the lost pup for the girl'

Myrthorn nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'i don't think I've ever done that one.'

Kaige looks up into the sky and ponders.

Cheyla did it once long ago but forgets the ending.

Emrysia giggles.

LadyAce says, 'what did you dislike about it? Too quick?'

Fantaisia says, 'you find ages finding the pup if you don't have hunt then she just runs off with the pup'

LadyAce says, 'it's something I notice sometimes, the arc falls off too quickly at the end'

Fantaisia says, 'and doesn't say thank you or anything'

Kaige says, 'they just kinda run off'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Gelderhart smiles at Fantaisia.

Fantaisia says, 'I sstill like the quest but it would bve nice to be thanked'

Lorenzo says, 'i can't decide how i like the briton farmwife one'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Myrthorn says, 'well, the pup can't speak'

Kaige says, 'small touches like that make a big difference.'

Cheyla says, 'she's been taking lessons from certain players?'

Kaige chuckles politely at Cheyla's feeble witticism.

Fantaisia laughs.

Lorenzo says, 'it's hilarious the first time, but after a while... i sort of with she'd move on a little more'

Lorenzo says, 's/with/wish/'

Kaige says, 'I always get cranky with her and yell that she shoudl go look for him herself.'

Kaige scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Emrysia giggles.

Fantaisia laughs.

Lorenzo nods solemnly.

Lorenzo says to Kaige, 'i talk back, but she remains unprovoked :('

Cheyla giggles at Kaige.

Emrysia says, 'she does seem to be a crisis junkie'

Emrysia giggles.

Lorenzo giggles at Emrysia.

Kaige says, 'she'd definitely benefit from a see-saw type quest situation there...'

Kaige says, 'or at least something to alternate back and forth between'

Kaige says to Emrysia, 'like that whiney farmwife!'

Kaige says, 'sheeesh!'

Myrthorn begins to armwrestle with Gelderhart.

Gelderhart quickly defeats Myrthorn.

Myrthorn sighs loudly.

Emrysia giggles.

Kaige says, 'ok here's a quest structure type... I sort of mentioned it with that see-saw thing...'

Gelderhart says to Myrthorn, 'Don't start singing coom by ya, whatever you do.'

Emrysia begins to armwrestle with Myrthorn.

Emrysia quickly defeats Myrthorn.

Emrysia nods to herself.

Emrysia sits down and rests in a giant snowdrift.

Fantaisia begins to armwrestle with Myrthorn.

Fantaisia quickly defeats Myrthorn.

Myrthorn says, 'aww, ... picking on the mage'

Gelderhart laughs.

Kaige says, 'would a quest that had two different end states that would have to be solved alternately, be a pain or soemthing that would at least be different?'

Fantaisia says, 'that sounds good to me'

Emrysia says, 'uhh.. pardon?'

Emrysia looks blonde.

Fantaisia laughs.

Myrthorn looks blind

Kaige says, 'and example might be something that's been stolen where one mob is asking for the item to be stoleand given to him. and the other is asking for it's return.'

Gelderhart laughs.

Gelderhart says, 'YOu could go back and forth forever on taht one.'

Emrysia says, 'and you could only do one or the other?'

Gelderhart beams delightedly.

Kaige says, 'so one player would start it off with stealing it for the bad guy... and then the next one to come across the quest would have to get it back to the right for owner.'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'yeah. to both.'

Emrysia says, 'that would be cool'

Kaige says, 'simple example but could be applied to different things.'

Fantaisia says, 'I would really like something like that'

Myrthorn nods solemnly.

Myrthorn beams delightedly.

Emrysia looks up into the sky and ponders.

Myrthorn gasps in astonishment.

Kaige says, 'I still think we need a bank of "generic quest type situations" to help brain dead builders'

Kaige giggles.

Gelderhart throws a snowball at Fantasia.

Myrthorn says, 'a nun?'

Trinity raises an eyebrow inquiringly.

Fantaisia gasps in astonishment.

Kaige smiles at Trinity.

Trinity says, 'No one of consequence'

Gelderhart smiles at Fantaisia.

Trinity winks suggestively.

Myrthorn smiles at Trinity.

Emrysia says, 'only difficulty/annoyance would be if it resets on crash/reboots. :P then you have to wait for someone to start it off again (assuming you want the other one.. if that makes sense)'

Kaige says to Trinity, 'want me to run that news post in the LT on Sat morning?'

Trinity smiles at Kaige.

Trinity nods her agreement with Kaige.

Kaige nods her agreement with Emrysia.

Trinity says to Kaige, 'pretty please'

Kaige says to Emrysia, 'would probably try to set it up as random start'

Emrysia nods her agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says, 'we don't have the ability to save mob states or even variable values out across reboots.'

Kaige says to Trinity, 'now I have to get it out in the morning. -=)'

Trinity chuckles politely.

Gelderhart stretches, you hear several loud snaps - maybe a massage would help?

Emrysia says, 'ooh.. lt.. umm..'

Emrysia looks up into the sky and ponders.

Myrthorn gives Geld a boot in the can

Gelderhart says, 'Well, I'm off to get some exercise. Nice meeting yo all'

Gelderhart smiles happily.

Kaige waves good-bye to Gelderhart.

Myrthorn waves good-bye to Gelderhart.

Trinity smiles at Gelderhart.

Gelderhart waves happily.

Cheyla waves happily.

Lorenzo says to Kaige, 'hmm, can mobs write on boards?'

Myrthorn says, 'catcha later, pal'

Cheyla nods her agreement with Lorenzo.

Kaige says to Lorenzo, 'only with an imm switched into them.'

Lorenzo says, 'ok'

Cheyla says to Lorenzo, 'is a way to give quest hints'

LadyAce says, 'the sad thing is that they can only use their first keyword when you use 'em to post.'

Kaige says, 'which reminds me.. we lost a LOT of the old quest hints that had been posted to boards a long time ago.'

Lorenzo says to Kaige, 'i was thinking of doing it in acts -- could save state that way *evil grin*'

Cheyla wrinkles her nose at Kaige.

Kaige says, 'yeah.. but if you ask me nicely I can fix that.'

LadyAce giggles at Kaige.

LadyAce hugs Kaige.

Lorenzo says, 'using a private board'

Kaige says to Cheyla, 'I have a couple... but most of them I just have the titles'

Cheyla nods her agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says to Lorenzo, 'ruf once had where mobs could write some stuff to a fileand reread it later... but it never made running code'

Trinity whistles appreciatively.

Lorenzo says, 'hmm... mail?'

Myrthorn gasps in astonishment.

Lorenzo giggles.

Myrthorn does a doubletake

Kaige says, 'wasn't mail, but variables they store on themselves but would be useful for various things'

Lorenzo says, 'oh, i know!'

Trinity says to Kaige, 'Hit lists?'

Lorenzo says, 'no, never mind'

Kaige says to Trinity, 'could be... but also things like what item they last wanted for a quest or stuff'

Trinity says, 'Naughty or nice lists! The Evil Santy Claws!'

Trinity sits down and rests.

Emrysia giggles.

Trinity nods her agreement with Kaige.

Kaige has created a pink plastic prize token!

Myrthorn jumps up and down.

Myrthorn jumps up and down.

Kaige mails a pink plastic prize token.

Myrthorn says, 'ooh, me me'

Myrthorn snickers softly.

Trinity pats a dhole on the head.

Fantaisia says, 'okay I need to go..bye all'

Fantaisia waves happily.

Lorenzo waves good-bye to Fantaisia.

Fantaisia smiles happily.

Trinity smiles at Fantaisia.

Myrthorn waves good-bye to Fantaisia.

Rush blinks.

Emrysia pets a dhole lovingly.

A dhole licks Emrysia.

Emrysia giggles at a dhole.

Kaige smiles at Rush.

Rush smiles at Kaige.

Kaige says to Rush, 'got the munchkin in bed?'

Rush says, 'yepper'

Rush says, 'all crashed out'

Kaige says, 'lucky you!'

Rush says, 'yours still up?'

Rush giggles.

Kaige says, 'mine are tussling on the couch.'

Rush comforts Kaige.

Lorenzo blinks.

Trinity says, 'Mmmm....munchkins.'

Rush says, 'lil ones are so fun'

Lorenzo says, 'housing charges are still off?'

Trinity says, 'Oh, I thought we were talking about Dunkin Doughnuts'

Rush says, 'i want him to learn to read so i an teach him to mud'

Kaige says, 'until tomorrow. they got turned back off before they charged last week when we reverted the code back out'

Lorenzo nods solemnly.

Kaige says to Rush, 'mine were causing havoc with sim city 4 tonight. The point of the game for them is to see what they can do to a map with the diasters.'

Lorenzo says, 'i missed that, i guess.. i guess I haven't been making as much dough as I thought lately :)'

Emrysia says, 'i'm so excited about those combine containers'

Emrysia giggles.

Kaige was careful to give them their OWN map.

Rush laughs.

Rush says, 'Ali likes me to play wc3'

Kaige says to Emrysia, 'they're gonna be cool when we get a lot of them everywhere... people are going to think they're boring and pointless for a while'

Emrysia giggles at Kaige.

Rush says, 'i think the combine containers sound cool'

Emrysia says to Kaige, 'i want buyable ones for my house'

Emrysia nods to herself.

Rush says, 'well'

Kaige says, 'yeah. I wanted to get my stove set up done and working before you could buy your own'

Emrysia nods her agreement with Kaige.

Emrysia says to Kaige, 'makes sense'

Emrysia smiles happily.

Kaige says, 'but then some players wouldn't care even then'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Kaige says, 'but give them a box that they can carry around and switch from one uber weapon to another with a simple keybinding and WAH-HOOOO!'

Myrthorn chuckles politely.

Emrysia blinks at Kaige.

Kaige says, 'then the cool factor is obvious to them.'

Emrysia giggles at Kaige.

Kaige says, 'Hmm.. wonder if I could get away with making a black box that you could put a cat into...'

LadyAce giggles at Kaige.

Kaige says, 'do we have any mobs named Schroedinger?'

Emrysia peers at Kaige, looking her up and down.

Trinity laughs.

Myrthorn snickers softly.

Emrysia says, 'black box.. cat..'

Myrthorn says, 'that principle doesn't work'

Trinity says, 'Well...you *might* not have anything in the box, then'

Trinity winks suggestively at Kaige.

Kaige says to Trinity, 'would have to open it to find out... but that'd be against the rules'

Kaige giggles.

Trinity says to Kaige, 'exactly!'

Kaige says, 'Although I think some of our kid characters will go crazy when they can make their own cookies'

Kaige giggles.

Emrysia nods her agreement with Kaige.

Emrysia laughs.

Trinity says, 'Kid characters? Whatever!'

Fayline peers around intently.

Emrysia says to Kaige, 'i know a certain motherly character who will go nuts when she can bake stuff!'

Kaige nods her agreement with Emrysia.

Kaige says, 'ooh! we have bananas! need to be able to make banana bread too!'

Emrysia looks up into the sky and ponders.

Emrysia says, 'bananas?'

Cheyla says to Kaige, 'not really...'

Cheyla scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Cheyla says to Kaige, 'can't actually get em yet'

Kaige says, 'better than fruitcake!'

Emrysia giggles.

Kaige says to Cheyla, 'well, would be able to when they can'

Cheyla nods her agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says, 'and I'm sure certain players will dump tons of ideas on other things that can be made there too'

Kaige says, 'but that's just one example of a use for them...'

Emrysia giggles.

Trinity says, 'Sure. Get some hashish from Crusades...'

Cheyla chuckles politely.

Trinity winks suggestively.

Kaige says, 'hashish, belgian chocolate and cake batter....'

Kaige says, 'brownies?'

Emrysia laughs.

Trinity cheers wildly!

Kaige says, 'funny, but I probably wouldn't do that.'

Lorenzo chuckles politely.

Trinity says, 'The effects of eating hash are actually pretty funny. I mean, in game, that is.'

LadyAce giggles.

Trinity says, 'Not that I would know otherwise.'

Trinity hides.

Cheyla says, 'ok, i gotta go...'

Cheyla waves happily.

Kaige waves good-bye to Cheyla.

Trinity waves good-bye to Cheyla.

Lorenzo waves good-bye to Cheyla.

Kaige says, 'I need to force these two into bed too.. but I enjoyed the rambling discussion on areas and quests1'

Emrysia nods her agreement with Kaige.

LadyAce giggles.

LadyAce hugs Kaige.

LadyAce waves good-bye to Kaige.

Emrysia waves good-bye to Kaige.

Kaige gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Lorenzo smiles happily.

Lorenzo waves good-bye to Kaige.

Trinity has a hot date with a box of Cheez Its, and should probably go, as well.

Kaige says to Trinity, 'enjoy!'

Emrysia giggles at Trinity.

Trinity gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Kaige waves happily.

Lorenzo says to a dhole, 'well, looks like that time again!'

Emrysia giggles at Lorenzo.

LadyAce giggles at Lorenzo.

Emrysia pets a dhole lovingly.

Emrysia says, 'i like her! she should stay'

Lorenzo says to a dhole, 'you go all week with no friends to pet you, and this is your chance'

Lorenzo pets a dhole lovingly.

Emrysia pets a dhole lovingly.

Lorenzo says to a dhole, 'but it's soon over'

Emrysia cuddles a dhole.

Lorenzo says to a dhole, 'too soon, for you'

A dhole sinks her teeth into Lorenzo's flesh.

Emrysia says to a dhole, 'i wish i could take you home with me!'

Lorenzo smiles at a dhole.

Emrysia says, 'well, i should go. almost my bedtime.'

Emrysia sighs loudly.

Emrysia pets a dhole lovingly.

Emrysia hugs Lorenzo.

Emrysia hugs LadyAce.

Emrysia waves happily.

Emrysia says, 'have a good one.'

Emrysia smiles happily.

LadyAce waves good-bye to Emrysia.

Lorenzo hugs LadyAce.

Lorenzo waves happily.


Additional Topics Answered

This section is intended to address some of the things that come up repeatedly and also provide a place where players can submit questions via the feedback channel (Q&A) so questions can be logged when they're thought of and the answers reported back here.

Also, some of the builders will often have some feedback on suggestions and typos that get reported with some of their reasoning for why things are the way they are or won't be incorporated into the areas.


General Suggestions/Questions

o This room has not been allowing anyone to go west for over a week...
Why is this the first bug report on it? This was fixed as soon as it was reported, but we can't fix it if we don't know it's broken. Please note though, that all fixes cannot be done immediately, this one could be fixed through in game commands. Most others have to be changed in the database file and won't show up until the next Friday's update so bugging something on Saturday and complaining that it still hasn't been fixed on Wednesday or Thursday likely won't do any good.
o If it says I'm bound to this room when I get binded... how come I'm bound in the _next_ room after I move?
That is how the binding spell works: if you're bound and force your way through it, you're forcing the bind without breaking it.
o I thought you could only see the rest of the words after you get vid in allwords. I was able to see the second cirlce and rest of first circle before learning vid.
Nope. All you need to know and qualify for is the CHANT skill.
o Make housing more expensive like 2 or 3 mil and build-ons 750000 and get rid of paying daily... i think a lot of players would rather save up for a house than have their savings bitten into daily when they can't even play everyday. What about the players who only play on the weekends?
There are a couple reasons behind the idea of daily rent on houses. Houses should not be just an investment in your character but in the game as well. Also, By having on-going costs, once a house is built, and the player doesn't maintain their house or participation level in the game, the house can eventually be cycled out of the game and open up a new spot for someone else who is active. It also makes a house more of a status symbol and helps limit the resources (machine resources here) to supporting the housing that is being actively maintained.
o I'd like to see a recall stone, one that use can use to recall you to the same place, such as the Royal Stag everytime you use it, no matter what era and such your in.
The "Stag Monster" syndrome is bad enough, isn't it? Imagine what it would be like if no one had to ever learn how to get from one place to another but instead were handed a stack of these recall marks by some "helpful" olbie when they started out. It's depressing enough to see areas go basically unused and high level characters asking to be taken from one location to another that they really should have already learned.

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