February 27th, 2003
How Long are Archives Kept?
Mavado says, 'how long do players actually stay archived if they never unarchive?'
LadyAce says, 'we don't put an endpoint on it. Right now, it's pretty much forever.'
Sandra says, 'for ever and ever and ever, and an hour or so'
LadyAce says, 'in the future we might change that, but that'd be a pretty big shift, I'd say.'
Mavado says, 'doesn't that get big?'
Ea! says, 'pfiles are pretty small.'
LadyAce says, 'it's not so bad, the files are small'
Sandra says, 'unless it's Alistaire's pfile'
Kae says, 'or kaedon's'
Sandra says, 'hehe'
Kae says, 'the cookies! Aieeee!'
Sandra says, '40k of cookies! woo!'
Kaige says, 'or mine, with notes.'
Kaige scuffles her feet around in the dirt.
Sandra giggles at Kaige.
LadyAce says to Mavado, 'does that cover your question?'
LadyAce smiles at Mavado.
Ea! says to Kaige, ''cept those are stored elsewhere, mostly...'
Ea! says, 'for now.'
Kae says, 'alejandro's probably takes up some space too'
Kaige says to Ea!, 'the note objects themselves are bad enough.. wasn't counting the file containing the text on 'em'
Seeing Illusion Descs For Expies?
North says, 'I was just wondering if it would be possible to save illusion descriptions and send them out with the expies'
Sandra nudges the post-its over a few inches.
Sandra says, 'cut/paste! :)'
North says, 'it would be extremely spammy'
LadyAce says, 'I cut pasted your newbie thingy so that it could be posted'
LadyAce hasn't put it up yet but will
North nods solemnly.
North says, 'neat'
Fixes for Moods/Socials?
Noah says, 'Is work still being done on the mood/socials thingiemabobber? Or was it just decided to leave it as is?'
Noah says, 'For example, my flailing about victoriously.'
Ea! says, 'we're fixing the specific ones when we get reports about them...'
Noah nods his agreement with Ea!.
Ea! says, 'And we have on the list to try to make the code a bit more flexible when we get a chance...'
Noah smiles at Ea!.
Noah says to Ea!, 'Okies.'
LadyAce says, 'so keep those reports a'comin! :)'
Ea! says, 'but it probably means rewriting large portions of ugly code first..'
Pillars of Darkness?
Menion says, 'ok i was wondering why the pillars of darkness don't have a quest attached'
Menion says, 'or do something when ya collect all of them'
Sandra says, 'coz i didn't make one ;)'
Noah says, 'Oooo, like Voltron!'
Menion says, 'so getting them all was pointless?'
Sandra says, 'They're just mundane items. Nothing special. It's cool that you are collecting them all, but I'm probably not gonna put a quest in for 'em'
North says to Menion, 'if you're hardcore like that, string em to combinable items, then string whatever you get as a result for an RP plot, you'll win an expie!'
Menion shrugs helplessly.
Menion says, 'i suppose'
Menion pats a large sack affectionately.
Not Enough Controversial Changes?
Ea! says, 'clearly we're not making enough evil changes to the mud recently.'
Kae's on it.
Sandra says, 'I could!'
Kae says to Sandra, 'get in line!'
North says, 'make PD harder'
Menion nods his agreement with Ea!.
Ea! says, 'have one kill the other? then they're in solitary?'
Kae says to North, 'I'd love that personally, I hate when people do it all on triggers'
Kaige says to Ea!, 'i've got one evil change that's only a line long.. '
North says to Kae, 'could you make a "weight" limit for the floor to fall?'
Spanish-Flea chuckles politely.
Kae says to North, 'well, no, because it's Rufus' area :)'
Spanish-Flea is carrying 125 kg on a good day.
Ea! says to Kaige, 'Putting a "return" at the top of do_rescue?'
Kae says to North, 'but the idea is valid, use the channel :)'
Ea! says, 'or, rather, sk_rescue?'
Sandra giggles at Ea!.
Kaige says to Ea!, 'wasn't the one I was thinking of... more like the flee and skill lag one'
Ea! nods his agreement with Kaige.
Ea! says, 'Yeah, that's a good one to do.'
Sandra says, 'yea when are we putting that in? ;)'
Kaige says, 'tho changing do_north to do_flee could be fun.'
Possible New Spellbooks?
Herbert says, 'howd the results of the spellbook survey go?'
Sandra says, 'spellbook survey?'
Sandra says, 'oh for kae'
Kae says to Herbert, 'you'd be surprised -- homunculus was pretty much the ONLY one two people requested'
Herbert says, 'awhile ago she asked for peoples suggestions on spellbooks and so on, on welcome a month or three back..'
Kae says to Sandra, 'ya, asked a while ago ... what he said'
Herbert stifles a laugh as he regards the situation at hand.
Spanish-Flea nods solemnly.
Sandra says, 'oh'
Herbert says, 'homunculus? thats like not even necessary'
Kae says, 'for spells people think I should add spellbooks for in Hell, might as well ask for the ones people really felt for'
Kae says, 'which turns out to be -- none'
Herbert says, 'hows it going to make them any better? they cant fight anymore so its not like having better hps on em is gonna help'
Kae has free hands, then.
Kae ignores everything, lost in her own little world.
Sandra says, 'I think we have all the newer spells covered'
Kae says to Herbert, 'I guess a few people never cast them in early or something'
Herbert nods solemnly.
Kae says, 'rudh spells have high priority'
Herbert says, 'i voted fer cure crit and some tedious create spell i dont even recall i think'
Herbert chortles with amusement.
Kae says, 'I was kind of looking for any other ignored ones out there but...'
Money Running with Pack Animals?
Spanish-Flea says, 'i'd like to be able to hire like sherpas so I can gold run offa klein without a create there :)'
Herbert says, 'oh i had a crazy idea for the sherpa thing..'
Spanish-Flea says, 'it must be good, he's taking forever to type it :D'
Herbert says, 'have a saddle bag as a tool you can use that when used attaches itself to a horse'
Spanish-Flea nods solemnly.
Herbert says, 'then you can ride around on the horse and fill it up, but just make it not hold insane amounts..'
Spanish-Flea says, 'convenient, but it sorta ends up meaning everybody in the game save full druids and maybe cause mages, which would in turn mean giving tarans more abilities or toning up causes'
Herbert says, 'the horses wouldnt help causes or druids? hows that work?'
Spanish-Flea says, 'ride'
Spanish-Flea says, '30 dex'
Herbert says, 'all my cause mages and druids can ride'
Spanish-Flea says, 'mages=low dex, druids=low dex'
Herbert says, 'you need 25dex at least for make bandage as a druid'
Herbert says, 'so if you REALLY wanted a free packhorse get an extra 5'
Herbert says, 'and all my mages have 30dex at least, even my con ones'
Spanish-Flea doesn't wanna change his build from 29 dex
Sandra says, 'my cats are trynig to take over the sofa'
Sandra bursts into tears.
Spanish-Flea swears at a Chinese coin with surprising creativity and inventiveness.
Herbert says, 'hell i have 35 even'
Spanish-Flea says, 'maybe make them unridable because of the pack'
Spanish-Flea says, 'a fully packed donkey or llama you can ride usually.'
Spanish-Flea says, 'some idea, maybe something like ancient harem girls where you kill the owner and they follow you or something, or in indus where you need dry grass for donkeys to follow you'
Post Title Discussion
Kae says to Sandra, 'the more industrial, so to say, an area, the post title overrides, right?'
Sandra nods solemnly.
Kae thought so.
Herbert says, 'excellent, we need some for Port of London, ASAP'
Kaige says, 'the more ancient isn't it?'
Herbert nods to himself.
Kae says, 'is it?'
Kaige says, 'since that's how pretitles override'
Sandra says, 'Ithink it's higher the vnum'
Sandra looks up into the sky and ponders.
Kae says, 'I was sure the highest vnum would override'
Ea! says, 'I'd have thought it was ind.'
Sandra says, 'now I'm not sure ;)'
Sandra mopes around, depressed.
Ea! says, 'how would they conflict, anyway?'
Kaige says, 're:titles lord is #3 miss is #10... lord overrides... cause it's looping through the list to the first one found.'
Kaige says, 'so the more ancient, the better chance of overriding.'
Kae snaps her fingers. ATTITUDE!
Sandra says, 'aha okie'
Kae says, 'my areas are medieval, I'll just get overridden, period'
Sandra says, 'well, I want to add in a flag into limbo for people ot check for so that some won't get overridden'
Kae says, 'so people can decide to keep a specific post title? I like it'
Sandra says to Kae, 'so that the builders can decide'
Kae nods solemnly.
Kae says to Sandra, 'what if two areas have perma-titles, though?'
Sandra says to Kae, 'check for the perm flag, refuse to set the new one if the perm flag is there'
Kae nods solemnly.
Kae sees the logic.
Spanish-Flea shrugs helplessly.
Kae says, 'be scared, I understood that'
Herbert bounces around leaps about and tries to shake his scary post title.
Herbert peers at himself myopically.
Kae says, 'well, to my understanding, a posttitle comes wth a way to remove it too, right?'
Herbert says, 'damn its still there'
Sandra says to Kae, 'not yet, no'
Herbert says to Kae, 'i wish'
Kae says, 'in theory at least'
Kae says to Sandra, 'supposedly ;)'
Sandra says, 'that's why I've been asking for quest ideas for 'redemption' type quests to get rid of some ;)'
Kae nods solemnly.
Kae says, 'I'm going to slip one into malta soon, with a removal quest too'
Herbert says, 'die fighting an assassin in AT should be enough to stop being one..'
LadyAce says, 'that sounds way too easy, to stop being an assassin'
Herbert says, 'i even tried that when i got my post, went in there and died a few times to check'
LadyAce says, 'You're really marked for life...seems like you'd have to do something pretty darn spectacular before anyone would forget that'
Herbert says, 'well its showing you dont stand for what they do is all i mean'
Sandra says, 'become a monk!'
Herbert says, 'well give me something spectacular to do then!'
LadyAce says, 'doesn't change the fact that you did the deed.'
LadyAce shrugs helplessly.
Herbert says, 'i'll donated 500k to the chaplain in malta for redemption'
LadyAce says, 'I'll make a redemption thing eventually, but it's not my top building priority right now.'
Spanish-Flea says, 'can we have an altar boy post title? the stinging satire of the church will be worth the heckling recieved by other players for the connotation'
Kae says, 'idea it ;)'
Kae says, 'generally, tho, idea where to get a post title along with the title itself'
Sandra says, 'there'll be witches roaming around after tomorrow'
Lorenzo snickers at Sandra nastily.
Herbert says, 'what we need is post titles that are new quests entirely, cos some of us less fortunates have already done 99% of quests..'
Herbert says, 'and so far it hasnt changed mine'
Kae's put 10 quests in this year so far.
Kae is completely ignorant of the affair.
Kaige says to Herbert, 'you could always be a warg.'
Kae just needs to finish the rest of the stupid area :p
Kaige says, 'or did I change that back ?'
Sandra says, 'I'm lucky I have time to sleep these days =P But I'd like to add a quest or two to a few of my areas'
Herbert says to Kaige, 'im not much of a warg either and the stat drop from wearing the thing is no good'
Old Equipment Discussion
Spanish-Flea says, 'why is old eq better than new eq?'
Sandra says, 'it's not'
LadyAce points at Spanish-Flea.
Spanish-Flea says, 'oh ok, so like an old 5 perx +6 hit eye isn't better than a new 5 perc eye :P'
Spanish-Flea says, 'brines, horns, all the fun dam eq'
Kae says, 'pfffft'
Kaige says, 'not every "old" item is better than the new one.'
Spanish-Flea says, 'granted'
Kaige says, 'you have to know both to judge.'
Sandra says, 'it's only 'better' because people think it is. You can still get the same hit and/or dam with newer stuff'
LadyAce says, 'not all "old eq" is that way -- it's just that no one keeps the "old" item if it's not as good.'
Sandra says, 'just takes a little thought. Which sadly, seems difficult for alot of people coz it's not listed on legenddb =P'
LadyAce says, 'with the case of hit & dam -- those items went in when hit/dam didn't really mean a lot'
LadyAce says, 'if we add code to make a worthless thing worth something, we can't just leave the item like it was, it'll be overpowered'
Spanish-Flea says, 'so why not just boost hit dam, then all the new silly damroll messages will be better'
Sandra says, 'they don't need a boost'
Kaige says, 'they already had the boost is what she was saying.'
Compact Damage Message Scale?
Spanish-Flea says, 'how many dam messages can you get between 1 and 20 damage'
Kaige says, 'depends how you see fight messages too.'
Spanish-Flea says, 'assume that I'm using compact'
Spanish-Flea says, 'if that's what you meant'
Sandra says, 'I don't see why it matters, really. So there's more than 1 message now. At least it's not the same thing over and over and over and...'
Kaige nods her agreement with Sandra.
Kae loves the new messages.
Kaige says, 'and if you want to know.. play with 'em...'
You hit mob.
Kae is a sucker for pretty spam.
Mob hits you.
Spanish-Flea nearly sends the mob to its grave with his miraculous slash!
Sandra says, 'personally, I wish we would get rid of compact and leave verbose :)'
Spanish-Flea goes ACK TTTTHHHHHPPPPPPTTTTTT!
Kaige nods her agreement with Sandra.
Kae wouldn't cry about dat.
Sandra says, 'verbose is cool!'
Kaige says, 'make some new spiffy shorter verbose ones.. and we'd be good.'
Ea! nods his agreement with Sandra.
Spanish-Flea says, 'first thing I did when I got on the mud the first time was figure out if I could turn the long annoying combat messages off'
Kaige says, 'to mix things up more.'
Sandra says, 'I'm used to verbose. It's what we had before all the other stuff. I don't like compact and none'
Sandra is old fashioned.
Kaige says, 'none can be useful if you're not a fighting druid.'
Kaige says, 'less spam to filter through to see who's hurt.'
Isam says, 'err..none? oh right for healers'
Sandra says, 'Yea, probably, but I can't use it.'
Kaige says, 'sucks when you forget to change it and go to solo something'
Sandra says, 'course, that's probably why I don't go on big groups ;)'
Kaige says, 'why'd I just die!'
Kaige says, 'duh'
Kaige bonks herself on the head and looks sheepish.
Spanish-Flea says, 'i'm just saying, pk damage is capped at 90, and if you have 25ish combat messages, it gets very hard to discern wth you're hitting if you're against anything that parries or has high ac :P'
Kae says, 'if it dies, you hurt it a lot?'
Spanish-Flea says, 'yes, but if I'm using a weapon like an SSS'
Sandra says, 'if it's scratched for an hour, you suck ;)'
Spanish-Flea barely hits somebody 15 times, then does damcaps
Kaige says, 'what's weapon type have to do with it?'
Kaige says, 'ahh'
Kaige nods solemnly.
Kaige shrugs philosophically.
Isam wouldn't mind seeing damage dealt (90) after each hit.
Sandra goes ACK TTTHHHHHPPPPPTTTTT! all over Isam - what a mess!
Kaige wrinkles her nose at Isam.
Spanish-Flea says, 'imms said it themselves'
Sandra says, 'take that back!'
Kaige says to Isam, 'go play that kind of game then.'
Spanish-Flea says, 'different weapons are better for different things'
Kaige says, 'won't see that here if I can help it.'
Isam winks suggestively at Sandra.
Lorenzo says to Spanish-Flea, 'just get the damage-measurement tool. it's a pain to get, but way useful.'
Spanish-Flea says, 'I wanna see straight damage too'
Sandra says, 'you take that back too!'
Isam says, 'hmm i got hell for that one!'
Isam grins evilly.
Spanish-Flea says, 'if you like compact so much, make it verbose and make verbose RP combat messages'
Spanish-Flea says, 'then everybody gets what they want'
Sandra doesn't like compact.
Kaige says, 'how about we make compact "you hit mob."'
Isam says, 'compact is just as confusing as verbose now'
Spanish-Flea says, 'you don't like a lot of things'
Isam says, 'what with the "ravaging"'
Spanish-Flea nods his agreement with Kaige.
LadyAce says, 'I don't think that we're going to be able to satisfy you on this one -- it's a philosophical point with us to make this vague.'
Kaige says, 'and "You miss mob"'
Kaige says, 'nice and compact and gets the point across.'
Spanish-Flea always thinks of the other kind of ravaging whenever he sees that message.
Spanish-Flea has fond memories of...uhm....ravaging
Isam says, 'that ravage message is awfull'
Kaige points to the idea channel. Substitutions welcome.
Isam says, 'first tell me where it falls on the damage scale ;)'
Isam says, 'then i can substitute!'
Kaige says, 'between miss and kilt'
Spanish-Flea says, 'there'
Lorenzo says, 'what's awful about it?'
Isam says to Lorenzo, 'well for one, I dont ravage men damnit.'
Isam ducks to the ground.
Spanish-Flea rolls around on the ground with laughter.
LadyAce says, 'it's sometimes used as another word for rape.'
Lorenzo says to Isam, 'minor connotation'
Kae says, 'that's ravish :p'
Spanish-Flea says, 'not necessarily rape'
Kaige says to Kae, 'that's what I was thinking...'
Isam whips out a dictionary.
Spanish-Flea says, 'but yeah, culturally I've seen it vary within the same basic premise'
Lorenzo says, 'it's strictly colloquial. yeah, check the dictionary.'
Spanish-Flea salutes Lorenzo briskly. Why don't people obey YOU like that?
Isam says, 'hmm'
Isam says, 'its actually not, it just sounds like ravish'
Lorenzo says, 'it's used as if it were ravish, but it's not an actual meaning'
LadyAce says, 'ravage isn't something one can really do to a person, far as I can tell.'
Kaige says, '1. To bring heavy destruction on; devastate: A tornado ravaged the town.'
Kaige says, '2. To pillage; sack: Enemy soldiers ravaged the village.'
Kaige says, '3. To wreak destruction.'
Kaige says, '4. The act or practice of pillaging, destroying, or devastating.'
Kaige says, '5. Grievous damage; havoc: the ravages of disease.'
Kaige nods her agreement with Lorenzo.
Isam says, 'yes yes i looked it up!'
Isam says, 'you all win ! :p'
Lorenzo chuckles politely.
Isam says, '\Rav"age\ (?; 48), n. [F., fr. (assumed) L. rapagium, rapaticum, fr. rapere to carry off by force, to ravish'
Spanish-Flea says, 'wow'
LadyAce says, 'nah, I think it's a good point. I agree that it doesn't make sense when applied to a person, unless "ravish" is what's meant.'
Spanish-Flea says, 'that definition has so many good ideas for damage types in it'
Kaige says, 'then we have to take out devastate too'
Kae's devastated at the idea.
Isam says, 'why devastate'
Kaige says, 'since that's making them all weepy-teary eyed and heartbroken'
Spanish-Flea wreaks havoc with his SSS!
Lorenzo says, 'well, I'd agree that it's no so great as a personal transitive, but neither is decimate'
Kae sniffles quietly.
Kae cries on Kaige's shoulder.
Lorenzo says, 'I mean... which tenth of you can I take off, and how many times?'
Kaige says, 'how small would you like those shreds?'
Sandra says, 'wouldn't it be funny if you cleaved an arm and it fell to the ground? =P'
Isam says, 'we'll start with the fingers'
Lorenzo nods his agreement with Sandra.
Spanish-Flea likes that idea a lot
Kae says, 'that would be funny :p'
Sandra saw that on another mud once and crackedu p.
Spanish-Flea multiation from combat
Isam says, 'lets add damage to body parts!'
Spanish-Flea says, 'nod'
Sandra says, 'but only on mobs ;)'
Kaige says, 'a nd stayed off with the gear on it until perma?'
Spanish-Flea says, 'let's add damge effects to stats on weapons'
LadyAce says, 'well, decimate is illogical, but at least it doesn't seem to imply forced sex :P'
LadyAce shrugs helplessly.
Isam nods his agreement with LadyAce.
Spanish-Flea says, 'nothing about forced, just thing rough or wild LA'
Lorenzo says, 'i'll be quiet now, I just wanted to pick on isam cause I suspected that was the objection, and I'm snotty about words'
Spanish-Flea winks suggestively at LadyAce.
Isam peers at Lorenzo, looking him up and down.
Isam says, 'silly colonel, go order some soldiers around'
LadyAce says, 'wild sex as a form of combat, ending in a person being dead? That's stretching the definition of consensual.'
LadyAce says, 'even if you claim she wanted it like that, I think you'd still find yourself in jail for it.'
Kae says, 'that sounds like what that guy wanted to do to my friend which sent him to jail'
Damaged Eq Losing Stats?
Spanish-Flea says, 'when eq is damaged, why doesn't it lose stats and only AC'
Isam says to Spanish-Flea, 'baaaaaaad idea'
Isam says, 'it loses stats when it scraps :P'
Spanish-Flea says, 'for arguements sake, is there some magical aura around every item in the game that can never be damaged'
Spanish-Flea just wants to add more power to skills that damage armor like firestorm or flamestrike
Isam says, 'erhm'
Isam says, 'firestorm is plenty strong'
Lorenzo says, 'i'd go for stats loss'
Spanish-Flea says, 'no it isn't!'
An aura of heavenly light appears above Spanish-Flea's head.
Spanish-Flea says, 'stats loss adds realism'
Spanish-Flea says, 'maybe it can kick in at moderate or something'
Isam says, 'if i wanted realism, i'd go fight NHB. :P'
Spanish-Flea says, 'N H wha?'
Isam says, 'fight real life'
Photos Count as Mail?
Isam says, 'oh btw why do photos count as letters?'
Isam says, 'i have to drop all my photos to receive my mail'
Isam snickers softly.
Kaige says, 'because you can write on 'em'
Isam says, 'meh'
Isam says, 'alright'
Kaige says, 'can't mail 'em and keep the desc, but you can sign 'em'
Isam says, 'i can deal'
Isam nods solemnly.
Isam says, 'lack of a house'
Isam looks up into the sky and ponders.
Isam says, 'and no drive to pay for one'
Isam raises an eyebrow inquiringly.
Bug With XP to Level?
Hiram says, 'my xpto level is going nuts'
Hiram says, 'anyone bug that?'
Kaige says, 'only at extremes.'
Isam says, 'did you 50?'
Isam says, 'or better yet hit 100mil'
Kaige says, 'like someone got their xp set to zero and were told they had 77% to level'
Hiram says, 'well In the last 5 mins it went from 10k to 700 to 79k'
Isam says, 'oh see timing!'
Kaige says, 'oh see dhole!'
Isam says, 'hehe'
Isam says, 'bad memory'
Kaige looks up into the sky and ponders.
Isam says, 'baaaaaaaaad'
Kaige nods her agreement with Isam.
Kaige says, 'most likely'
Mavado says, 'wow, this is still going? :)'
Kaige says to Hiram, 'is your actual xp to level changing when that happens?'
Hiram says, 'yes'
Kaige says, 'but in a way you expect with the kills, not going wonky too'
Hiram says, 'and its happened to another char recently'
Kaige says to Hiram, 'is the xp to level number going weird too?'
Hiram says, 'ermmm, not sure what you meant by the kills'
Kaige says, 'well, when you kill, or get quest exp , your xp to level should be dropping.'
Hiram says, 'I just have the number. Not the %'
Kaige says, 'by the amount that's reported that you get.'
Kaige looks up into the sky and ponders.
Hiram says, 'can you check my log for the lasy 10 mins or so?'
Mavado says, 'I actually had a question, can't remember what it was.'
Hiram says, 'I was resting when it happened'
Kaige says, 'we don't keep a log of everything like that. only successful saves, logins, etc.'
Isam says, 'logging people's xp would be a bit much'
Kaige says, 'what'd be helpful would be if you could keep a log and send it when you notice it happens.'
Hiram says, 'hrmmm, ok, I'll give it a try'
Kaige says, 'just firstname.lastname@example.org'
Mavado says to Kae, 'how far along are you on inferno?'
Kae says, 'not as long as I'd like!'
Kae runs around the room in circles, squealing loudly.
Mavado snickers softly.
Isam says to Kae, 'well get workin!'
Isam pushes Kae away from him.
Kae worked 10 hours today, that's gotta be enough.
Isam says, 'hmm..'
Isam says, 'i say 18 atleast'
Isam says, 'what more to life is there, sleep and build =P'
Kae says, 'tell me about it, that's pretty much what I do lately :p'
Kaige picks up a MaGiC EiGhTbAlL and shakes it vigorously.
Kaige peers into her magic ball and declares, 'Ask again later.'
Kaige says, 'anyway.. I need to herd these cats to bed...'
Kaige attempts to prod Kae but Kae isn't about to go anywhere.
Kae meows cattily and twirls her whiskers with a not-so-innocent flair.
Kaige says to Kae, 'you too'
Kae slowly fades into thin air.
Kae runs around the room in circles, squealing loudly.
Isam waves happily.
Sandra waves happily.
LadyAce waves happily.
Kaige waves happily.
Kaige says, 'see yall later'