Lecture Series Index

August 7th, 2003

Q & A Index

Topics Covered

What's "a thrashing of water"?
Generic Critter Spam?
Bug/Advantage with Entrance?
Skill Reimbs Past the Deadline?
10 Years? & Reminiscing
When Did I Start Playing?
PK Healing Bug Fixed?
What Imm Positions Are Open In Sept?
Attitudes & Imm/Mort Relations?
Conferences & Asking to Move There
Double Standards with Swearing?
When do Warnings Go Away?
Does the Void Still Exist?
What do Consider Msgs Really Mean?
Clarify PKE Means You Can Be Jumped?
Less Spam with GET ALL CORPSE?
Bug with PK Stealing?
Games: Flag Hunts and Recall Tag?
What's with New Channels?
Status on Asst. GM?

Additional Questions section will return with the next log.


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What's "a thrashing of water"?

Lisette says, 'I know this is silly, but we reported a bug about a horse carrying a 'thrashing of water' and was just trying to find out if ya know what it is and why its there'

LadyAce looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kae says to Lisette, 'yanno, I sat and stared at that one for 30 mins after you reported it'

Lisette says, 'cause its a REALLY awsome boat'

Lisette giggles.

Lisette scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Lisette says, 'sorry'

LadyAce says, 'it's probably associated with an animal.'

LadyAce says, 'oh, I see, yup'

Kae says to Lisette, 'I'm thinking it's an issue with generic critters and their need to technically have a boat to walk on water'

Lisette says to LadyAce, 'an animal??'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kae.

Lisette says, 'ahhh..'

Kae says to Lisette, 'like, a horse will arrive in . if it doesn't have a "boat"'

Kaige says, 'better than the age old bug report of "this here horse just "arrived in ."'

LadyAce says, 'it's to make a more realistic message when they come and go'

Lisette says, 'so why cant we get that as a mundanable boat?'

Kae says, 'you probably can :)'

Kae says, 'I mean, it's an item and it's no stat'

LadyAce says, 'if you can get the item....'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

Lisette says, 'now when I picked up the boat...all it gave me was a !'

Kae says to LadyAce, 'or in case of this where you can't, at least point out who has it'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kae.

Kae says to LadyAce, 'they're for gencritters, they aren't supposed to be gettable'

Lisette says, 'but the other person in my group COULD pick up the thrashing, but it didnt have a keyword to drop it'

Lisette says, 'oh'

Lisette scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Kae says to Lisette, 'I don't think you're supposed to be able to pick them up at all'

Lisette says to Kae, 'it was really a interesting boat tho! it worked when we tested it out on water'

Lisette giggles.

Kae giggles.

Grady says to Lisette, 'take it wakeboarding?'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Kae says to Lisette, 'find a mob that gives that message on water, then grab an imm and a mundane coupon :)'

Grady says, 'sweeet, lots of pp, i'd imagine'

LadyAce says, 'imms and their crazy workarounds :)!'

Lisette says, 'I hope ya understand my bugs..Its hard to explain them in the short amount of space ya get'

Lisette says to Kae, 'we did!'

Kae says to Lisette, 'you can use as much space as you like, use multiple entries'

Lisette giggles.

LadyAce says, 'next up is quelron'

LadyAce points at Quelron.

Quelron says, 'skip me, sorry, daughter in my arms, hard to type'

Lisette says to Kae, 'but he wouldnt mundane it, cause it wasnt an REAL item'

Lisette pouts.

Kaige says, 'there's no reason you can't hit return and keep going... I'm quite practiced at piecing them back together'

Lisette nods her agreement with Kaige.

Lisette says to Kaige, 'okies'

Kae says, 'oh, that's a rule misunderstanding, if it seems weid, go to LA as head pr'

Kaige smiles at Lisette.

Kae says to Lisette, 'that's because it can be hard to tell whether an item is for real or not, but LA has the last word onnit so pester her if in doubt'

Lisette nods solemnly.

Kae ducks under LadyAce.

Lisette says, 'wasnt really a big deal, but it just was interesting to see it'

Lisette giggles.

LadyAce says, 'if it's re-gettable, it's probably real.'

Lisette nods solemnly.

Lisette says, 'had no keyword tho'

Kaige says, 'sounds like a bug tho if someone got one from a corpse'

LadyAce says, 'well, I can fix that.'

Kae says to Kaige, 'it is, it's a gencritter issue'

Lisette nods her agreement with Kaige.

Kaige nods her agreement with Kae.

Kae drove herself nuts trying to sort it out.

LadyAce giggles.

LadyAce points at Lisette.

Lisette peers around intently.

LadyAce says to Kae, 'this command is your friend: "grep 'thing you want to find' *" from the areas dir in Terminal'


Generic Critter Spam?

Lisette says, 'ok, just a small complaint...all these mobcritter socials are driving me nuts! Too much flapping an jumping going on'

Lisette giggles.

Lisette scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Lisette says, 'ok, who is next!'

Lisette ducks to the ground.

LadyAce says, 'I think Cheyla has been tweaking them'

Kae says to Lisette, 'I gotta request for ya there'

Kaige says, 'cheyla's made another round of toning down on those, but without being more specific on them.. not much more she can do to address it.'

Kae says to Lisette, 'from cheyla, she talked about it earlier'

Lisette says, 'ahh okies'

Kae says, 'pretty please report which animal and where if you find something to be too spammy, "all of them" is kinda hard to work with'

Lisette giggles.

Chocorua says, 'also i think a lot of them have fewer socials than they used to'

Kae nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'also which message, since sometimes that'll narrow down wher eto fix it even faster.'

Chocorua says, 'or fewer chances for them to actually go off'

LadyAce says, 'it's partially an issue of density I spose. I think the socials are cool, but if there are 30 gencritters in a room, well....'

Lisette says, 'just when your running around, say in Malta, which is mob spammy already, and to see all these animals flapping around adding too it all, it gets crazy'

Lisette chuckles politely.

Chocorua says to LadyAce, 'then there is code to cut it down'

Kaige says, 'of course the fact that there are more of these critters in use is prolly helping getting them noticed more too'

Lisette nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Lisette nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Kae says, 'that's when you need to report, say, there are like 8 fawns here and their spam is driving me nuts'

LadyAce says to Chocorua, '*nod* But I'm not sure if it notices the presence of other critters or no.'

Chocorua says to LadyAce, 'you never know unless you look'

Chocorua says to LadyAce, 'i don't know for sure on that myself'

Kae says, 'it can be that there are too many generic birds in a string of rooms, please note down where and which critters seem redundant'

Kae says, 'that way we know what to fiddle with'

Lisette nods her agreement with Kae.

Lisette says to Kae, 'will do'

Chocorua says to LadyAce, 'i do know that they have lots of random waits on entrance stuff so they don't explode all at once anymore'

Kae smiles at Lisette.

Lisette smiles at Kae.

LadyAce says to Chocorua, 'I haven't kept up with all the updates as they've gone in, true. I use a fair number of 'em in Klein tho'

Kae says to Chocorua, 'well, they are spammy in places, it's no wonder if we need to tweak 'em a bit, they only been in 2 weeks'

Lisette nods her agreement with Kae.

Chocorua nods his agreement with Kae.

Kae says, 'but it's probably more that there's too many than the acts proper'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kae.

Kaige says, 'yeah cause the old ones were kinda bumps on logs'


Bug/Advantage with Entrance?

Grady says, 'it's only in our nature to find things that we can abuse and take advantage of right?'

Kaige says, 'just like it's in ours to delete you if we catch you doing it'

Grady says, 'so with that said, what changes if any are going to be done to take away our abuse of entrance?'

Lisette gasps at Kaige.

Lisette pouts.

Lisette says to Grady, 'abuse?'

Lisette says, 'what did I miss?'

Grady says, 'seems to me that entrance should have a whole lot more skill lag'

Lisette goes EEK! at Grady in distress - isn't Grady an awful person for teasing?

Lisette says, 'someone recall him!'

Grady says, 'to be able to stack it when failed so quickly makes no sense'

Lisette snickers softly.

Grady says, 'or remove lag on wake'

Lisette smiles at Quelron.

Grady says, 'or lessen, whatever you like'

Quelron says, 'ok, issue with that is that it only lasts one tick, making skill lag on entrance makes no sense'

Kae says, 'or include a mind check so that the higher your mind, the less chance of a succesful entrance?'

Alex says, 'mind?'

Alex says, 'spirit surely'

Kae says, 'something :)'

Kae says, 'I can see the issue with someone being entranced an entire fight being a tad miffed about it'

Lisette nods her agreement with Quelron.

Grady says to Quelron, 'i know of no kick or headbutt that lasts an entire tick'

Grady says, 'i think there should be more restrictions on entrance'

Kahmahl says to Grady, 'used to :P'

Quelron says, 'but those skills damage you'

Grady says, 'it shouldnt be so easy'

Alex says, 'headbutt certainly can'

Soze says, 'the current implementation of entrance reminds me alot of the inspire problems after wimpy was changed, inspire - calm, inspire , calm - repeat'

Quelron says, 'I agree, entrance is out of whack, but giving it the two round lag of other skills is not the answer'

Grady nods his agreement with Soze.

Soze says, 'in this case it's worse, since you're totally incapacitated, with inspire you can atleast use skills'

Quelron nods his agreement with Soze.

Alex says, 'you can flee'

Quelron says, 'and still sit there dancing'

Soze says, 'not untill you wake up.'

Alex says, 'run! run like the wind!'

Quelron says, 'cant run'

Kae says, 'you can't really do anything while entranced'

Soze nods his agreement with Kae.

Alex says, 'oh. mobs can flee, but we can't? that's kind of lame'

Lisette nods her agreement with Alex.

Lisette says, 'I agree there'

Quelron says, 'you can flee, but you can't run'

Kae says, 'you can't always compare mob rules and player rules'

Soze says, 'seeing as it takes the same time, or longer to wake up (especially because you fail more) than it takes to entrance people, well, funfun'

Quelron says, 'the only way you flee though is with max wimpy'

Soze says, 'which puts you in the next room, dancing till you wake up, and you'll be re-entranced because people follow'

Kaige says, 'you can flee while entranced.. you just glide from the room instead of regular message'

Alex shrugs philosophically.

Kae says to Kaige, 'yeah, if your wimpy kicks in and you're not lagged'

Kae says to Kaige, 'but a smart entrancer has a trigger to re-entraceinstantly'

Kaige says, 'no.. from typing flee too it should work'

Quelron says, 'I had a fight with someone this morning where for the first 15 rounds lets say, I was mass entranced and unable to do anything'

Kae wrinkles her nose with distaste.

Kaige is looking in the flee code, not the wimpy code

Alex says, 'all these big pkillers are just getting upset about being beaten up by a surgie'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Alex's head.

Quelron says, 'the only way I could beat that person was to use a no flee room and rings of fire'

Kae says, 'not at all'

Kae says, 'at least not for me, I can see how it's unbalancing though'

Kae says, 'as I see it it should be like stun, if you're lucky your enemy is dead mincemeat, if not you wasted the pulses'

LadyAce says, 'any other comments on entrance? Otherwise, thank you for the thoughts :)'

Grady says, 'so.. pretty much no changes right now?'

Quelron says, 'trying to figure out if we think there is a problem or not'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Alex says, 'entrance rocks! don't change it!'

Alex says, 'but i could be biased'

LadyAce says, 'yea, I think more thinking is in order'

LadyAce giggles.

Kae giggles.

Quelron says, 'ok'

Kae should unarchive her entrancer and abuse it real quick.

Grady says to Kae, 'i did!'

Quelron says, 'I should stop leveling :p'


Skill Reimbs Past the Deadline?

Santus says, 'okay I have a fairly simple request/question'

Santus says, 'I started playing Legend about halfway thru the summer...'

Santus says, 'I've been playing for years.. and this char in particular is ancient..'

Santus says, 'unfortunately I missed the whole redeming pracs thing'

Santus says, 'I wanted to ask if it where possible to make a case to be able to redeem again'

Santus says, 'because right now..'

Chocorua shakes his head.

Chocorua says, 'sorry can't do it'

Santus says, '...'

Santus says, 'is it just too complicated or what?'

Kae says, 'the problem is that a gazillion people who just forgot or were lazy will demand it if we do it for one...'

LadyAce says, 'My recommendation is to try re-arranging your eq to make a char you like out of what you have.'

Santus says, 'I have re-equed'

Kae says, 'Hell, I forgot for two of my own characters'

Kae sighs at herself. What a sorry sight.

Santus says, 'to what I should have been the entire time'

Kaige says, 'we published it in the LT and gave everyone two months to take advantage of the changes. We've stuck with the reimbs only in this period for two previous rounds of changes and allowing one person to redeem now is unfair to too many people.'

Chocorua nods his agreement with Kaige.

Chocorua says, 'thast teh nicer answer ...'

Chocorua scuffles his feet around in the dirt.

Santus says, 'well will there be a future redeem?'

Kae says, 'probably'

Santus says, 'cause I'm kinda partial to this char'

Alex says, 'skill wipe for skill trees?'

Kae says, 'I mean, at some point we either get more new skills OR we get skill trees and the associated skill wipe'

Alex flees.

Kae said it.

Alex chuckles politely.

LadyAce says, 'there's not really any plans to do it though, not in an immediate sense'

Santus says, 'so is there anyway to gain pracs now that I'm lvl 50?'

LadyAce says, 'but there are redeems of different kinds from time to time, another might come your way someday.'

Voska says, 'yay skill trees'

Lisette giggles at Voska.

Kae says, 'it'd be unrealistic to say that we will never redeem skills again, the question is when'

Temujin has been listening to that since 1995.

LadyAce says, 'no, we don't have a way for you to gain pracs at lev 50'

Lisette nods her agreement with Temujin.

Voska nods his agreement with Temujin.

Santus says, 'cuz right now I got one... :-P'

Santus says, 'thats it'

Alex says to Santus, 'it's the joy of being an oldbie, no new fight skills for you'

Santus says, 'and like 10 things I'd like to learn'

LadyAce says, 'we limit that to avoid creating a race of ubersuper chars where no one can touch you because you've been here so long.'

Kae says, 'well, you _can_ restart the character the hard way too'

LadyAce says, 'If I were you, I'd try new things with a new char, and try tweaking the old char'

Santus says, '? '

Santus says, 'oh heck no ....'

Santus laughs.

Voska chuckles politely.

Lisette giggles.

LadyAce says, 'old chars might not be the best for the new specialist boosts, but they make good jack-of-all-trades, for sure'

Santus says, 'I've got another level 50 mage... but hitters take me forever to level'

Santus says, 'how do you mean...'

LadyAce says, 'you might be surprised, the new skills make warriors more diverse'

Santus says, 'is there different generations of chars?'

LadyAce says, 'no, I'm just speaking generally'

Santus says, 'all I know is I don't use chant or the words anymore...'

Santus says, 'but man could i use courage and choke and break door etc'

LadyAce says, 'if you have a char like this one where you can't learn new things and you were designed for an old system, you might be able to make use of the char by changing yourself around some.'

LadyAce says, 'since you have the words, why not become a mage and explore fighting options with a different char?'

Temujin could use a few pratice to change around some.

Santus says, 'I'm not getting what you are suggesting.. I already re-equed to be the type char I should be.. fighter.. big fighter'

Temujin is willing to trade two pratices for a new free pratice.

Santus grins evilly.

Santus nods solemnly.

Santus says, 'heck even that...'

LadyAce says, 'My suggestion is to think up ways to work with the char you have.'

LadyAce says, 'half-mage, half-fighter type perhaps.'

Kahmahl says, 'what she sayin is you too old for new skills, specialization is a young fighters game *giggle*'

Lisette chuckles politely.

Grady says, 'perfect example of adaptation is maloth, liman but uses no liman skills'

LadyAce says, 'if you want a specialized fighter char to use the new skills with, it's not hard to make a new one.'

Santus laughs.

Kahmahl says, 'what she sayin is you too old for new skills, specialization is a young fighters game *giggle*'

Kahmahl says, 'eek, dang zmud'

LadyAce says, 'the new system is much more fair to a wider variety of characters, I think.'

Santus says, 'I'm from tara.. haven't touched a poultice ever'

Temujin bounces around.

Grady says, 'my bad maloth is taran'

Grady ponders his own existence - better keep an eye on him.

Kahmahl says to Santus, 'I mean, how many 40+ yr old fighters ya see breakin down doors :P'

Santus says, 'its a case of .... nostalgia I guess'

Santus says, 'thats why I'm ruffled about it'

Santus says, 'I don't have an army of lvl 50s'

Santus says, 'I only have two'

LadyAce says, 'so keep the nostalgia :) change your clothes a bit so that the other skills won't be out of use.'

Kae says, 'amen to that, I have five characters total and 2 aren't level 40 yet'

Kae says, 'one is from 1996 and man, does she suck these days and I love her anyway'

Alex says to Kae, 'but that's cos you're busy coding new ways for us to die!'

Huginn cheers for Kae - huzzah!

Santus grins evilly.

Kae says to Alex, 'everyone needs to have a hobby!'

Temujin nods to himself.

Santus says, 'how much trouble was the last reimbursment'

Santus says, 'just askin...'

Santus says, 'do you have to really do a lot of changes?'

Kae says, 'well, it wasn't because we coded mobs to do it'

Kae says, 'doing it manually is a buttpain'

Kaige says, 'the last reimb was about 8 pages of code on the mob'

Santus says, 'is there a way to automate it?'

Kaige says, 'it was automated'

LadyAce says, 'even if it were easy, though, I think we'd still be reluctant'

Santus says, 'well I'm just wondering'

Grady startles Ruby.

LadyAce says, 'it's also a matter of balance'

Santus says, 'is there a way to have a room in ooc for instance.. where for a week you can go and unlearn from old chars'

Santus says, 'maybe just chars that are 3 years plus old'

LadyAce says, 'we don't want to end up in a situation of perpetually doing reimbursals of skills after people have been using them.'

Kaige says to Santus, 'that's basically what we did for two months when we did the reimb'

Santus says, 'and I missed it.. :-( sigh...'

Kaige says, 'and we don't track creation dates on characters so "for only X years old" is impossible'

Kaige comforts Santus.

LadyAce says, 'we don't have a way to say for sure if you "really" had a chance when everyone else did, it becomes a big problem where no one thinks it's fair.'

Santus says, 'seriously.. this has been buggin me for a couple days now'

Kahmahl says to Santus, 'start a new char, keep santus in a closet til next reimb comes up, when it does ya have two cool chars'

Lisette nods solemnly.

Lisette chuckles politely.

Santus says, 'argh....'

Santus says, 'sorry'

Santus says, 'been one of those days'

Kae comforts Santus.

Santus says, 'been bustin tail to re-eq just right'

Kae says, 'life sucks sometimes'

Alex says, 'could we have an amnesty for the 10th birthday or something?'

Alex looks hopeful.

Santus says, 'all in the hope that this would work out'

Kahmahl says to Kae, 'only sometimes?'

Lisette nods her agreement with Santus.

Kae has good days.

Kae won't have one tomorrow, but some days are good days.

Lisette says to Santus, 'Dont feel too bad, everyone has at least one char that was totally destroyed by changed'

Lisette says, 'er, changes'

Kae says, 'not me!'

Kae rerolled hers.

Lisette goes EEK! at Kae in distress - isn't Kae an awful person for teasing?

Kae is on version 7 of her oldest character.

Kae beams delightedly.

Santus says, 'heh.. just pracs.. not even re-roll... though that would be nice'

Lisette laughs.

Santus grins evilly.

Alex laughs.

Kahmahl says, 'I think I on like version 10 of kendrik, this one lasted longest of all of em'

Grady says to Kae, 'can you reroll kae? I feel she really slacks in slaying ability'

Kae slays Grady in cold blood!

You hear Grady's death cry.

LadyAce laughs at the corpse of Grady.

Lisette says, 'I could never reroll a char who is already set in RP and housing ect..ect..ect..'

Lisette chuckles politely.

Alex says to Kae, 'i'm only on version 2... damn rudh!'

Grady says, 'i stand corrected'

Kaige says, 'apparently not'

LadyAce chuckles politely.

Kae says, 'well, it sucks to lose your house and strings, the RP doesn't have to go, though'

Alex giggles at Grady.

Kae says, 'and if you don't play the char cos it sucks, what's the real loss in rerolling it?'

Soze says, 'strings are replacable.'

LadyAce says, 'I think that's a really neat attitude. It's not something *I* can do, personally, but it's a neat way of thinking'

Grady says, 'i'll wait to fetch corpse to save kaige some cuts'

LadyAce says, 'I'd rather keep chars and have 'em suck :)'

Grady lies down on the ground and gets comfortable.

Kae is ze mistress of rerolling.

Lisette says to Kae, 'well, I keep her because of her RP.... even tho she doesnt fight nearly as well as she used to...and I LOVE her to death anyway'

Lisette giggles.

Lisette nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Kae says to Lisette, 'but she'd still be the same, just without the strings which can be replaced :)'

Lisette says, 'still hurts a bit tho, to see her kinda useless'

Lisette pouts.

Santus says, 'I think I actually fight better now than ever before..'

Kae is on Marcel 3.0 and Tancred 7.0.

Kae beams delightedly.

Santus says, 'which is ironic...'

Lisette shudders.

Lisette says, 'She cant lose her strings!!'

Santus says, 'esp considering santus was create 8 yrs ago'

Lisette says, 'its all of who she is!'

Lisette shudders.

Huginn is on Huginn .9beta

Kae says, 'write 'em down, replace 'em!'

Kae says, 'it's easy enough these days with redeems, just tedious'

Lisette says to Kae, 'would take years'

Lisette chuckles politely.

Kae says to Lisette, 'something to do(tm)!'

Alex laughs.

Lisette says to Kae, 'I could NEVER kill her off...would be really personal and I would prolly cry RL'

Alex says, 'something to do? i have enough fun rewriting my eq lists every time something changes'

Kae loves playing newbies, just not thinking up new RPs.

Lisette scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Chocorua says, 'ok not afk anymore'

Kae says, 'when Soze lost his eq the other day I swear I watched 2 generations of Marcel's strings go poof with him :p'

Kahmahl peers at Choc, is he turnin green? or are the quesadillas ok

Lisette shudders.

Lisette peers around intently.

Soze cheers for himself since no one else has.

Chocorua says, 'they came out good'

Santus says, 'well just real quick then I guess to wrap up this question'

Soze says, 'old moldy stuff needed to die'

Soze nods to himself.

Kae says to Soze, 'sez you, I had to do your new strings'

Santus says, 'would there be an easy way to have a reimburse in the near future?'

Soze says to Kae, 'that's another reason to do it, make you work!'

Grady joins Soze's group.

Kae whines.

Soze says to Kae, 'do my strings, now!'

Kae is not meant for work.

LadyAce says, 'we only do reimbs in response to code changes that make drastic alterations to who can do what with their skills.'

Chocorua says, 'nope shes meant for abuse'

Soze says to Kae, 'no, slavery is not work, slave - now'

Chocorua punches Kae in the face - better stand back!

Kahmahl says, 'Kae is meant for coffee!'

Kae slays Soze in cold blood!

You hear Soze's death cry.

Lisette chuckles politely.

Kae can't even have coffee anymore.

Kae says to Lisette, 'it's not so bad if it's restrings, really'

LadyAce says, 'so if we have a reimb like that, it'll be due to code changes of that magnitude'

Lisette says to Kae, 'only about 20 + of them tho'

Lisette giggles.

Soze says to Kae, 'should I interpret that as a no?'

LadyAce says, 'does that make sense? We don't plan them in isolation of other changes.'

Alex says, 'or a 10th birthday present to the players? *nudge*nudge*wink*wink*'


10 Years? & Reminiscing

Temujin says, 'when is our 10 yr anniverary?'

Lisette says, 'ugh, I still have about 20 restrings to have done...I dont have the heart to ask an immy to spend all that time to do it'

Kaige says, 'Feb 14th 2004'

Alex says to Temujin, 'next year'

Temujin says, 'just curious, who was all here say since the first 3 years?'

Santus raises his hand.

Lisette raises her hand.

Temujin says, 'waoo all the mortals were oldbies, and the immortals are newbies!'

Santus says, 'I started playing as a freshman in higschool... now I'm a Senior in college'

Huginn laughs.

Kae got here in 1996, newbie.

Huginn says, 'no'

Lisette smiles at Santus.

Lisette nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Huginn says, 'we just didn't bother raising our hands'

Santus laughs.

Alex says, 'my shoulder's sore, i can't raise my hand!'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Alex's head.

Temujin giggles.

Kae's still aiming for giving Legend Hell for its anniversary. Literally.

Kae can't make promises, though.

Soze says to Kae, 'you didn't say which anniversary'

Soze winks suggestively at Kae.

Kae giggles.

Kae says, 'yeah, the 20th!'


When Did I Start Playing?

Lisette says, 'ok, this is totally off the wall..but is there a way for you guys to tell exactly or close to , when say *I* started playing Legend?? I dont have any logs from back that far'

Lisette scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Kaige says, 'not really easily, no'

Alex giggles at Lisette.

LadyAce says, 'we don't have logs as old as you'

Lisette pouts at Alex.

Alex says to Lisette, 'i only remember cos it was a week before the first birthday'

Huginn says, 'you might be able to find something in the LTs of events that happened around your origin time'

LadyAce says, 'yea, that's a good thought'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Huginn.

Lisette says to Alex, 'eh?'

Lisette looks up into the sky and ponders.

Huginn remebers Bay getting him a tooled belt.

LadyAce says, 'I remember when I started because it was xmas break my first year of college...dec 1994'

Alex says to Lisette, 'checking the LT for marriages and what nots you remember also helps'

Lisette says, 'I remember my very first char..but she is LONG poofed'

Lisette giggles.

Chocorua says, 'i don't remember my first time playing very well'

Lisette says to Alex, 'I was way too new tho to even pay attention to situations...I was busy learning the mud'

Lisette giggles.

Alex chuckles politely.

Huginn says to Chocorua, 'you were probably too busy inventing fire'

Lisette says, 'but I DO remember the first birthday...I think.... maybe the second'

Lisette looks up into the sky and ponders.

Lisette says, 'eh, I dunno, I am TOO old to think back'

Chocorua says to Huginn, 'actually i think i was probably playing medievia at the time trying to charm the imp into giving me an imp tag'

Kaige bonks Soze on the head!

Kahmahl says, 'I sure remember my first pk fight :P'

Kaige says to Soze, 'behave'

Huginn chuckles politely.

Grady says, 'back when i played legend.. i had to type uphil both ways in 5 feet of snow.. in the middle of august!'

Temujin says, 'i remember watching killer kill'

Temujin says, 'or wait was that sharp?'

Huginn says to Temujin, 'and merc hunting dominic and gail'

Temujin says, 'i thought Sharp was the coolest pker in the world'

Temujin nods his agreement with Huginn.

Alex says, 'I miss Killer'


PK Healing Bug Fixed?

Quelron says, 'pk healing, any fix in the near future?'

Kae says to Quelron, 'elaborate for the clueless sith here?'

LadyAce says, 'it's on Kaige's hot code issues list'

Kae says, 'oh, if everyone else knows what the question is, nevermind my clueless self'

Quelron says, 'you have to match exactly the other persons accept/reject list to heal, even if you are just accept all'

LadyAce says, 'no no, s'ok.'

Kae wrinkles her nose with distaste.

LadyAce says, 'some kinda problem with interactions of pkok and pke I think'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Kae says, 'probably related to the infamous wall bug'

Kae sinks her teeth into Huginn's flesh.

Huginn muzzles Kae.

Kaige says, 'basically both checks are set up to exit and aren't taking into account both could be running'

Quelron says, 'so its on the hotlist, but is it being worked on or is it sitting on the list still?'

Kae goes mmmmmfpt wall bug mmmmffpppt fix!

Huginn unmuzzles Kae.

Kaige nods her agreement with Kae.

Temujin says to Quelron, 'think they lost the list :)'

LadyAce says, 'just means that it's a priority'

Kaige currently doesn't have time to work on much.

Quelron says, 'delagate'

Quelron winks suggestively at Kaige.

LadyAce says, 'hot list means that if anyone wants something to do, we nudge them that way and wink really big.'

Lisette chuckles politely.

Kae says, 'I think it's safe to say that items that have top priority are getting, well, top priority'

Temujin says to Kaige, 'clone yourself!'

Kaige says to Temujin, 'be nice some days!'

Huginn is getting more time but would like to finish the dress wound stuff before he suffers some computer catastrophe

Kae says, 'and all my whiny requests for builder tools and mood fixes are low low priority'

Kae ducks to the ground.

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Temujin nods to himself.

Quelron says, 'huginn needs more to do'

LadyAce claps for Huginn approvingly.

Quelron nods solemnly.

LadyAce shakes her head in disagreement with Quelron.

LadyAce pats Quelron on the head.

Quelron says, 'its just one of the most annoying things right now, not being able to heal in pk'

Temujin says, 'ohh the good old days'

Kae says, 'yeah, the wall bug is driving me nuts personally'

Lisette looks up into the sky and ponders.

Huginn tickles Kae.

Kaige says to Quelron, 'it's not being purposefully ignored... I'm just supposed to be selling my house and I'm still a long way from being able to'

Kae says to Huginn, 'it is, but I know you're on it'

Quelron nods solemnly.

Huginn says to Kae, 'I'm on the healing bug before the wall bug'

Chocorua says, 'i have a fix but noone will let me use it'

Kae says to Huginn, 'fair enough'

Quelron says, 'its fine, im just voicing my displeasure of the issue in general'

Huginn nods his agreement with Chocorua.

Kae grins evilly at Chocorua.. wonder what she's thinking...

Kaige says to Chocorua, 'would be quick and easy too'

Grady says to Kaige, 'final offer!'

Huginn says to Chocorua, 'for good reason!'

Soze giggles at Chocorua.

Quelron says, 'whats that choc?'

Chocorua says to Huginn, 'no good reason to me!'

Temujin says, 'imm fight!'

Temujin ducks to the ground.

Kae says to Quelron, 'rip pkill out, fixes everything ;)'

Huginn uses Temujin as a living shield!

Quelron says, 'what a boring mud that would be'

Kaige says, 'hell even just going back to pkok only would fix it too'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Temujin shudders.

Kae sat between Huginn and Chocorua discussing pkill earlier, her ears are still ringing.

Temujin says, 'please dont shoot!'

Chocorua says to Kaige, 'why do things only half way though'

Huginn says to Kae, 'hey at least we were discussing civilly'

Kae giggles at Huginn.

Kae nods solemnly.

Temujin says, 'na, i like only pke better'

Grady says, 'you could remove pk.. or pke everyone! muahahaha!'


What Imm Positions Are Open In Sept?

Lisette says to LadyAce, 'ok, so what positions are open for the Immortship this Sept?'

Kae says, 'all of them'

Temujin nods his agreement with Kae.

Kaige nods her agreement with Kae.

Lisette chuckles politely.

LadyAce says, 'we always accept apps in all areas'

Kaige says, 'any that people want to apply for.'

Soze says to Kaige, 'can I apply for imp?'

Voska chuckles politely.

Kaige says to Soze, 'I thought that's how Marcel already used you?'

Huginn says to Soze, 'sure apply '

Kae laughs.

Huginn could use a good laugh.

Soze says, 'drat'

Soze mopes around, depressed.

Grady says to Kaige, 'i'll run on the platform of "i wanna be imm so i can slay soze"'

Lisette says, 'I think ya do need more! there arent many Imms viz anymore lately'

Lisette scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Temujin says, 'is there a max # of being approved ?'

Kae says to Lisette, 'it's not that easy -- we need good applicants and moreover, good applicants with good ideas, good skills, and little or no bad history'

Kae shakes her head.

Kae says, 'no max'

LadyAce says, 'no, no maximum or minimum'

Kaige says, 'there's never a "quota"'

Alex says to Kae, 'and time to actually be an immie'

Lisette says to Kae, 'oh, I have good history'

Lisette struts proudly.

Lisette laughs.

Kae giggles.

Kae didn't say otherwise.

Kaige says, 'it all depends on the individual applications received'

Temujin says, 'sounds like immigration department ..'

Kae says, 'it's just that Legend has incredibly high standards for baby immortals compared to most muds'

Kae says, 'but it's what keeps us so cool'

Kae nods to herself.

Alex giggles at Temujin.

Kahmahl says, 'you need good history? (checks wizlist) then how most of ya get there :P'

Grady says to Kae, 'hah! you immorted hrath!'

Alex says to Temujin, 'that's bad. we're all going to be shipped off to the desert'

Lisette giggles at Kahmahl.

Temujin nods his agreement with Alex.

Grady says, 'high standards pfft!'


Attitudes & Imm/Mort Relations?

Grady says, 'when is it gonna get "springer-like"'

Soze laughs.

Grady says, 'i mean i read the welcome board'

Lisette says to Grady, 'isnt it already???'

Huginn says, 'springer-like?'

Grady says, 'i'm waiting to see all these nazi lesbian bikers come beat on choc'

Voska says to Lisette, 'nah, need a couple more slays and some chair throwing'

Kae says, 'I can do the nazi but I don't have a drivers' license for the bike...'

Grady says to Kae, 'it's a start'

Lisette giggles at Voska.

Kaige isn't sure why that post should be surprising or controversial.

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Kaige says, 'kinda reminded me of Rufus' How to Stay out of Trouble one.'

Lisette says to LadyAce, 'yeah! why do people dislike Choc?'

Lisette looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kahmahl says to Lisette, 'cause he dislikes everybody :P'

Voska says to Lisette, 'the same thing i've been missing apparently'

Alex says, 'isn't it just because he's evil?'

Lisette nods her agreement with Voska.

Voska says, 'chocs just taking his turn being the scapegoat i think'

LadyAce isn't sure how to respond to the notion that her dept is supposed to be everyone's friend.

Lisette says, 'well, I never see him, so I dunno whats going on'

Alex says, 'but then, aren't all immies evil?'

Kae says, 'I guess head admins are always assholes per definition in the mind of some players'

LadyAce thinks that wouldn't be very sincere friendship!

Kaige says, 'I think it's because certain people don't like the fact that someone (wouldn't matter who it was in those shoes) enforces consequences for their actions)'

Kaige nods her agreement with Kae.

Kaige is too.

Kae says to Lisette, 'he's here most of the time but invis a lot'

Lisette says to Kaige, 'just a question'

Lisette says to Kaige, 'dept heads are final words on everything?'

Chocorua shakes his head.

Chocorua says, 'kaige is'

Quelron says, 'not your friend, but the department should darn well show just an ounce of respect if they want the people playing here to not only repect the rules, but respect their authority'

Lisette says, 'so why dont people just take the facts higher to Kaige?'

Kaige says, 'in their dept pretty much... it's unusual if I'll overturn something they decide'

Huginn laughs.

Lisette says to Kaige, 'really?'

Kae says to Quelron, 'it can be really hard to respect people whom you know will continue to cheat and lie about it -- not saying this is you or anyone in specific, but we see it a LOT'

Quelron says, 'and that is why most people get upset'

Lisette says to Kaige, 'you never think some decisions are misjudged?'

Kae says, 'respect goes two ways, and a lot of people have this attitude that if we don't catch them, we're just suckers'

Quelron says, 'yes, there are those people'

Chocorua says, 'i never start out with people by showing an attitude'

Kaige says, 'sometimes, but that's when we work as a team to see why and how to make it work for everyone'

Quelron says, 'but when I get treated like a villian over the silliest stupid things, im sorry, but im going to get pissed off'

Kahmahl says to Quelron, 'choc and I known each other so long, if we weren't obnoxious to each other, something's wrong'

Temujin says, 'i promise i never thought of that when i cheat'

Chocorua says, 'people just take my lack of formalities as being rude'

Kae says to Quelron, 'that's why you have the right to appeal to Kaige, no one's perfect ALL the time'

Lisette says to Chocorua, 'ya mean your not nice to anyone?'

Quelron says, 'sorry, appealing to another immortal about an immortal is like telling god you don't like what jesus just did'

Chocorua says to Kahmahl, 'heh'

Kaige says, 'but basically the dept head positions were created to have in effect 4 deputy imps who were capable of holding the fort, especially in their dept, because Ptah and I knew we couldn't be available 24/7/365'

Temujin says, 'but my wife didnt know that either :)'

Lisette says, 'just a question, cause I dont deal much with Immys on a daily basis'

LadyAce says, 'well, we do find our rulings overturned sometimes.'

Huginn tickles Temujin.

LadyAce says, 'I think most of us have had that happen a few times.'

Kae says to Quelron, 'no, in this case it's your safety net -- if you honestly feel unfairly treated you should appeal, because everyone, even deptheads, can make mistakes'

Huginn says to Temujin, 'let's go tell her!'

LadyAce says, 'well, maybe not Kaige :) but.'

Temujin says, 'no!'

Kaige says, 'heck, I've even had a few of my decisions reversed on me'

LadyAce says, 'we make judgement calls at the time, and the facts get sorted out somewhat later.'

Huginn says to Temujin, 'yes! she needs to know!'

Kaige says, 'it's not something that's an end-all-be all sort of thing.'

Kae says, 'there's a hell of a difference between appealing if you feel badly treated and running to mommy if daddy says no, and people usually do know the difference'

Temujin jumps on top of Huginn and start choking him for all he's worth.

Quelron says, 'sorry, when an immortal treats you like a piece of dung, whining to Kaige is going to get you no where, but thats just my experience on the matter'

Huginn hands Temujin 5 cents... there you happy?

Quelron says, 'if it is a rule, shore thing'

Chocorua says, 'whos treating you like dung?'

Temujin hugs his 5 cents ...

Lisette says, 'of course I cant make a judgement either way...I dont have do deal with 100 sometimes whiney players on a daily basis'

Lisette chuckles politely.

Temujin says, 'much better'

Kaige says, 'yeah.. going to all the imms in turn when you get told no by one is one of the quickest ways to get us upset with you.... cause.. we do talk among each other too'

Kae says, 'I'd be lying if I said I haven't made rash admin calls sometimes because people were pissing me off, I feel confident in the safety net of real admins evaluating my decisions later'

Quelron says to Chocorua, 'sorry buddy, I respect the abuse you go through as head admin, but your attitude with me and all my alts over the years has stunk'

Chocorua says to Quelron, 'then you find yourself in a postition to be in my presence to often'

Quelron says, 'nope'

Kahmahl snickers softly.

Chocorua says to Quelron, 'that in itself is a problem'

Myrthorn looks up into the sky and ponders.

Quelron says, 'yup, thats your response to it all'

Kae says, 'well'

Quelron says, 'its my fault, nothing to do with you'

Chocorua says, 'more often than not the root cause would be with you, yes'

Lisette looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kae says, 'When I started playing here Choc scared the crap out of me because he's direct and brash, but... I learned that hey, not everyone native english speaking talks like my Oxford english textbook'

Chocorua doesn't go out of his way to look for people to argue with.

Lisette says to Kae, 'but'

Huginn says to Chocorua, 'you don't get a bonus for each person you mess with? Really?'

Kae raises her eyebrow at Lisette.

Lisette says to Kae, 'if you have to deal with a lot of players daily, shouldt you have some kind of people skills??'

Chocorua says to Huginn, 'shhhh thast a secret'

Lisette giggles.

Kaige says, 'and we don't even have quotas for warnings each month...'

Kaige snaps her fingers. ATTITUDE!

Huginn says, 'there's no percentage in us messing with people'

Kae says to Lisette, 'depends on the job ya do, I mean, for head admin I'd say fairness is more important than the ability to gift-wrap warnings nicely?'

Quelron says, 'I personally don't break rules or go around lieing to immortals about my intentions and such, sorry to burst that bubble, but every single time I mess up, as I am human, you have been borderline hostile'

Lisette says to Kae, 'remember I have NO clue what this is all about...just talking personalities in general'

Lisette scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Kae nods her agreement with Lisette.

Chocorua says, 'perhaps you misinterpret my direct approach as hostility'

Lisette says to Chocorua, 'of course...you WERE rude to me one day..and I was afk at the time!'

Lisette peers at Chocorua, looking him up and down.

Quelron says, 'calling me no smarter then a monkey? nothing to misinterpret there'

Kae says, 'the first time I talked to Choc I got yanked to his office outta the blue and got WTF is that guy doing...'

Myrthorn gasps in astonishment.

Kae nearly had a coronary.

Chocorua says to Lisette, 'it happens'

Lisette shakes her head.

Lisette says to Chocorua, 'it shouldnt have... '

Kae says, 'but hey, "that guy" was cheating'

Lisette says to Chocorua, 'now that I remember the night of the Expies'

Lisette says to Chocorua, 'I was AFK with my daughter cause she woke up ill... and you threatened to take my expie away cause I was afk a the time'

Lisette says, 'oh yeah...its all coming back to me now'

Lisette nods solemnly.

Kahmahl says to Lisette, 'that may be his pre-referred to attempting to have a sense of humor'

Quelron says, 'he glued me for nodding, just as I entered the room'

Chocorua says to Lisette, 'you sure that was me?'

Lisette says to Chocorua, 'yes'

Chocorua says, 'sounds like an awful lot of work for soemthing inconsequential'

Lisette says to Chocorua, 'huh?'

Chocorua says, 'and i have never been known to go out of my way to get into something'

Kae says, 'well, it's easy to misunderstand intended humor on a text environment, I certainly know I've said things that got taken the entirely wrong way'

Kaige says, 'especially if you were afk at the time and thus don't have a sense of the timing of things in context'

Kaige nods her agreement with Kae.

Lisette says, 'but even when someone defended me and said where I was...there was no giggle or chuckle after...which would let it be known that it was in humor'

Huginn says to Kae, 'and you're blond too'

Chocorua says, 'if anyone here should yell at me about being hostile it's Ladyace ... i was downright mean to her a few times'

Kae's been grilled by Choc for reports of harassment of players too, yanno.

Myrthorn giggles.

Huginn nods solemnly.

Chocorua says to Lisette, 'i honestly don't remember the event'

Kae says, 'turns out it's something you said in fun that the player took seriously and bam, there's trouble in paradise'

Lisette says to Chocorua, 'I logged it'

Lisette says, 'was the last expie of the evening'

Lisette shrugs helplessly.

Chocorua says, 'this year .. 8 years ago? ... i've got a terrible memory'

Lisette says to Chocorua, 'THIS YEAR'

LadyAce says, 'well, this year I think I did the ceremony.'

Kaige says, 'proving how terrible his memory is'

Kaige ruffles Chocorua's hair playfully.

LadyAce says, 'so my guess would be that if he said it, it was just his joke.'

Quelron says, 'anyway, I could pick apart events that have happened in the past, but its just not worth it, all im saying is that when you handle others, you should consider using just a little bit more tact'

Chocorua says, 'who knows'

Kae says, 'aw heck, gimme the log, I'll bite his shin if it's not a joke'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Grady says, 'remember, his sense of humor is poor to extremely poor :p'

Chocorua says to Quelron, 'unlikely to happen'

Kaige says, 'I would have assumed it was a joke no matter who said it.'

Myrthorn says, 'one of those get the gear hunts'

Quelron says, 'then continue to get more abuse then the situation calls for'

Grady says, 'didnt he try to make a joke earlier in q&a.. it bombed worse than mine!'

Chocorua says to Quelron, 'tact takes more time than i have for people who are unwilling to follow the rules'

Alex says, 'we need a subject change before my tongue falls off'

Kaige says to Grady, 'and that takes a rare talent'

Kaige winks suggestively at Grady.

Quelron says, 'sometimes people are not breaking the rules to break the rules'

Chocorua says, 'especially if i am at work at the time'

Grady nods his agreement with Kaige.

Grady giggles.

Lisette says, 'still wasnt funny to threaten to take away the last expie of the evening, because someone was afk with their sick daughter..'

Lisette shrugs helplessly.

Lisette says, 'ok, now I am all mad again'

Lisette chuckles politely.

Lisette waves happily.

Chocorua rolls his eyes heavenward.

Quelron says, 'see, thats it right there'

Bind says, 'one of you imms should take some psych classes or something'

Quelron says, 'makes me want to come through the screen and slap you, no offense'

Huginn says, 'only one of us?'

Kae's read more psychology and psychiatry than most, doesn't change the fact that she's a mean bitch according to some.

Soze says to Quelron, 'considered watching anger management?'

Chocorua says, 'the eyeroll was because i got a mesasge thaat she wasn't here after typing a huge apology'

Lorenzo says to Quelron, 'no offense? but that's offensive.'

Kaige says to Quelron, 'it's probably statements like that that make people read in more hostility than you intend'

Bind says, 'seems that there are a lot of problems and maybe the classes could help you get the players thru them'

Chocorua shrugs helplessly.

Sandman snorts derisively.

Chocorua says, 'if you can't be bothered to read my mind what can i do?'

Quelron says, 'I react to situations kaige'

Huginn rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Kaige says to Quelron, 'I'm sure everyone does.'

Quelron says, 'though I am not always right, in this game, thats all I can do'

Huginn says to Quelron, 'and nobody else can?'

Quelron says, 'they sure can'

Quelron says, 'and im not saying, don't enforce the rules'

Quelron says, 'what im saying is simple, if someone breaks the rules, then deal with it on a situational deal, not as a general hrmph, you broke rules, now face my wrath!!!!!!!!!!'

Sandman says, 'aa good right where i wanted to come in :)'

Chocorua says, 'if you want a lollipop everytime i have to remind you not to swear on channels its not going to happen'

Kaige says to Quelron, 'personally, I think the former is what does happen, but people don't like to be told they're in the wrong, so they get irked and tell it to all their friends as the latter'

Huginn says, 'facing someone's wrath would be "hey I just got deleted" not "hey I just got this minor warning"'

Chocorua says, 'and i won't apologise for being direct'

Kaige says, 'and yes, that's a generalization there.. not saying that's something you personally do'

Kae looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says, 'I think that it's completely fair, though, to wait a while and then talk to someone about the interaction.'

Soze says, 'I find that amusing, okay, perhaps I raped this 12 year old girl and strangled her, but atleast you could arrest me politely.'

Kae says, 'I dunno, I try to be civil but I often get a load of crap in return, to be frank, and it can be real difficult to explain to myself why I should be civil to people who treat me like crap for doing my job'

Quelron says, 'blah'

LadyAce says, 'tell them that their approach bothered you, it's about the only way any of us can learn from each other.'

Kae says, 'and it can be hard to tell smetimes whether people intend to be rude or not because well, we're not all language majors'

Chocorua says, 'i mean if LA and i can get along civilly anyone can'

Quelron says, 'its not about the rules, its about the conduct on the minor stuff, like if a person does some seriously minor thing, choc treats them like they just swapped four piece of old gear and tried to lie about it'

Huginn says, 'additionally there are alot of times we get lied to'

Sandman wants to jump in this convo in a bit =p.

Kaige says, 'you also have to remember that if we don't document even the minor stuff, people will try to tell us they've never gotten in trouble for it before.. hence the reason the whole warning system was put in in the first place...'

Quelron says, 'so using that analagy of ohh, you just killed someone, come to jail nicely is not what im getting at'

Chocorua says, 'ok here is the thing.. i don't CARE WHY you broke the rule or that you won't do it again, what i care about is that you know you broke it and that you know the consequences'

Kaige says, 'even the verbals get documented cause we can't all know who talked to who when and for what'

Sandman says to Chocorua, 'some of us dont even break rules when we get punished..'

Sandman snorts derisively.

Chocorua says to Sandman, 'you not being one of them'

Quelron says, 'again, its not about breaking the rules, that happens, but if someone just did some minor minor thing, and have no other things on their file, I don't think that they should be treated like some mass murderer'

Sandman raises an eyebrow inquiringly.

Huginn says to Quelron, 'I'm not sure if you know how a mass murderer would be treated'

Quelron says, 'and thats how he and a couple other immortals react, like you just blew up their world'

Huma says to Huginn, 'I think they give them cookies'

Kae says to Quelron, 'I know this is gonna sound rude, but I actually don't intend to offend you -- still, you know the rules, why do even something minor?'

Huginn says to Huma, 'what kind?!?'

Quelron says, 'becaue your human kae'

Myrthorn gasps in astonishment.

Quelron says, 'at the time, it might have slipped your mind'

Myrthorn says, 'human?'

Kae nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'so face up to the consequences of your actions.'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Chocorua says, 'everyone makes mistakes'

Kae says, 'well, there's a difference between forgetting an obscure rule and one that you use daily'

Huma says to Huginn, 'something along the lines of chocolate and nuts'

Myrthorn giggles.

Chocorua says, 'it's how you react when you are caught that gets me angry'

Kaige says, 'if I forget and speed because my mind's elsewhere.. that doesn't get me out of a ticket if I get caught'

Quelron says, 'yes, they make mistakes, so don't treat them like a piece of cow dung for it'

Kaige nods her agreement with Chocorua.

Chocorua says, 'i've had some interaction with cow dung .. i've never stuck you with a fork and tossed you into a dumpster or anything though'

Kae says to Quelron, 'some people just don't click too, I know there's people here I can't talk to at all.'


Conferences & Asking to Move There

Sandman says to Kae, 'i love you and all but i got warned and chan banned because i said simply i didnt need a channel the talkin was over'

Kae says to Sandman, 'the warning was documentation, that's what verbals are'

Chocorua says, 'that wasn't ALL you said'

Sandman says, 'and i dont see where telling the imm that would be against the rules..'

Kaige says, 'seemed to me to be for the attitude of having to get the last word in and saying in the manner you did.'

Chocorua says, 'and the QnA isn't a place to discuss the specifics of your infraction'

LadyAce says, 'It's against the rules for people to not follow imm instructions about channel use. (as a general comment)'

Kaige says, 'if you'd said "thanks, but I'm done" that'd have been one thing and exactly what you're saying you did.'

LadyAce says, 'specific appeals do need to go to Kaige'

Sandman says to Kaige, 'attitude? uh telling an invis imm you dont need to make a channel is an attitude?'

Huma says to Sandman, 'well since you'res till here and everything, I think you should just let it go, and chalk it up to beauracracy or something'

Kae says to Chocorua, 'well, we can invite him to a quiet room after this to talk about it'

Kaige says, 'but to continue the conversation after an imm asked you to take it to channels is what got you in the hot water.'

Quelron says, 'does not matter dude, as far as you and I have gone, you have gone completely over the line with me on every occassion, you can claim im the provoker, but it takes two to tango so to speak'

Sandman says, 'well if imms would be vis i could not take it to channels.. why would i take it to channels if im done talkin about the subject?'

[Chat] Sandman: heh im done immie no need for me to talk other than the obvious dont be afk in the open.. which some need to still learn =p

Kaige says, 'yeah. That continues the conversation that you were asked to take off channels and really wasn't necessary'

Sandman says, 'i was talkin to the imm not continueing a conversation of the issue'

Chocorua says, 'actually you were'

Kaige says to Sandman, 'no.. you were poking at Temujin as well with the =P especially on there'

Chocorua says, 'in the middle of your chat you stated something that was a parting shot at people'

LadyAce says, 'I think if you guys want to hash out some specifics, this really is not the spot.'

Kae says to Sandman, 'yanno, you may not have _meant_ it that way, but what you wrote came down pretty much to fuck you, I'll say whta I want where I want'

Kae nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Sandman says, 'i didnt say any names i said some ppl have to learn it was vague'

Sandman says, 'so if im asked to stop talkin about an issue in reality i cant say one single word after that?'

LadyAce says, 'if we ask someone to stop, we do mean it'

Sandman says, 'not even hello or sup because ill get warned..'

Sandman says to LadyAce, 'i did stop i just told the imm the channel wasnt needed'

LadyAce says to Sandman, 'I think that what he's saying is that you said things before that or other than that'

Sandman says, 'whats the point of having a channel when im not going to go there because its a dead issue?'

Sandman shakes his head.

Sandman says to LadyAce, 'nope'

Chocorua says to LadyAce, 'its in the email i sent about it'

Kaige says, 'if you'd let it die, it wouldn't have been an issue'

Kaige ruffles Sandman's hair playfully.

Chocorua says to LadyAce, 'right in the middle of his chat was a final word of advice to teh pkers'

Sandman says to Kaige, 'i did let it die i said simply hey invis power hungry imm.. dont need it '

Kaige says, 'no.. you went on with "no need for me other than to point out the ovious.... blah blah blah"'

Kae <-- invis power hungry imm.

Kae beams delightedly.

LadyAce says to Sandman, 'If you said "I'm done with the channel" all by itself, that is one thing.'

LadyAce says to Sandman, 'sounds like you said "Last word! Ok, done."'

Sandman says, 'did i say a specific person? nooo'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says to Sandman, 'you can't bury your last word in your ok done and call it an ok done.'

Sandman says to LadyAce, 'i didnt'

Chocorua says, 'and of course this is all over a ban that can be lifted at midnight'

Kaige says, 'no... but the phrasing was very pointed'

Sandman says to LadyAce, 'alls i said was some ppl need to learn.. whoopy.. i can tell you who needs to learn but i didnt'

LadyAce says to Sandman, 'you didn't just say "ok done.". You put in some other stuff that actually inspires people to respond to you.'

Chocorua nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says to Sandman, 'if you can put in something to draw a response, then they start to think they should respond, and then they'd get in trouble.'

Chocorua says, 'while acknowledging the fact that there was a channel to do that on'

Kae says, 'it sounded to me like you were taunting Temujin to get him to say something and get punished, actually'

Huginn says, 'you could also have said it on the conf :-)'

LadyAce says to Sandman, 'it's just not the same as ok done. I know you feel like you were letting go of it, but the chat was not that simple.'

Sandman says, 'im not going to some idiot conference over a pk death that im done with'

Kaige says, 'basically say "ok, done" and be done.. don't keep going with stuff that can be taken as thumbing your nose'

Sandman says to LadyAce, 'yeah it was.. it just seems a lot of ppl are uptight'

Kae says, 'then don't go to the conference, but don't taunt people on chat either, that way everyone's happy'

Sandman says to Kaige, 'well maybe ppl shouldnt assume so damn much and take things for what they mean'

LadyAce says to Sandman, 'we try to be really precise about the rules. It's the only way to be fair.'

Kae says, 'facts are that this kind of crap got pkill ripped once, and the more of it we see, the higher the chance that it gets ripped again when the trial period runs out'

Myrthorn gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Chocorua says to Sandman, 'i think that i just got griped at for that same attitude .. for close to an hour'

Huma says, 'ohh how long is the trial period?'

Kae says, 'think there's 2-3 months left, the actual date is somewhere in help updates'

Kaige says to Sandman, 'I'll admit I wasn't there, so all I can do is read into it what I see...'

Huginn nods his agreement with Kae.

Sandman says to Kae, 'this kind of crap? a pker died.. whined about it.. i say im done with the issue and i get warned?'

Chocorua says, 'yeah i only copied about a minute's worth of the text to the email'

Huma nods solemnly.

Huma says, 'seems to me its been ok'

Kaige says, 'which is someone continuing the conversation after they were asked to take it to the conference'

Kae says to Sandman, 'be honest, you've been flaunting and teasing and generally badassing about your pkill sports for days causing me to get numerous requests for you to be banned for channels'

Kae says, 'which I am not going to do because it's your right to flaunt your tactics'

Sandman says to Kae, 'i hardly talk on channels about pk!'

Kae says, 'but you need to obey the rules and a request to use a conference, just like everyone else'

LadyAce says, 'speaking of proper use of forums :)'

LadyAce says, 'I'd like to turn Q&A BACK into Q&A.'

Chocorua nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Voska comforts LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'so this is the end of this topic, and we're going to go back to questions if anyone has them.'

LadyAce giggles.

Huma says, 'is it amazing to anyone else how life and death serious people take this game, not that I'm exempt or anything, but I mean wow'

Sandman says to Kae, 'btw i still love you =p'

Bind nods solemnly.

Kae says to Sandman, 'hehe, love me or hate me, I gotta enforce them there rules'

Huginn pets Kae lovingly.

Sandman says to Kae, 'i know but dammit yall need to like.. one do it at a time.. yall got a bit hyper on me with 2 of ya'

Huginn says to Kae, 'speak softly and carry a large humming blade of energy!'

Sandman licks Kae.

Kae says to Sandman, 'yeah, it can come through like that sometimes when two people get involved, I guess'

Kae beams at a wicked double-bladed light saber delightedly - such materialism!

Quelron says, 'its never about enforcing the rules, If I break a rule, I want to be told so I stop doing it, its about how im told that irks me, but I guess its just a personal problem and nothing to do with imm attitudes'

Chocorua says to Quelron, 'break fewer rules, less frustration'

LadyAce says to Quelron, 'I think that we've heard your point, and I appreciate you taking the time to make it. We all need to be reminded about how attitude can influence how we're percieved.'

Quelron says, 'again, you make it sound like im some high rule breaker'

Kae shakes her head.

LadyAce says to Quelron, 'I agree that it's not just content, but approach.'

Chocorua will work on being happier

Kae says to Quelron, 'I know you better than that, you have anger trouble sometimes and you might wanna go to the admins before things get that bad'

LadyAce says to Quelron, 'I think that it's worth just letting the topic sit in people's minds for consideration.'

LadyAce says, 'we're not making progress on it right now :)'

Kae says to Quelron, 'it's not wrong to holler for help before things get out of hand, it's part of what we're here for'

Quelron says, 'yes, but im here, and im hoping that I could get people to understand an inkling of my point, but the entire time ive stepped up, you guys have not stepped up behind me at all, just the imm in question'

Kae says, 'there is _almost_ always an immortal on'

LadyAce says, 'there's not always an imm on, but mudmail or email will reach us quickly'

Quelron says, 'sorry, but it makes me not want to take it to another'

Soze says to Quelron, 'you already beat it to death, and the zombie that became of it.'

LadyAce says to Quelron, 'I think that you have a point worth considering in the general case -- for everyone, imm and mortal. But I won't participate in something so personal.'

Quelron says, 'each situation is personal, how can it not be, but ok, I will sincerely try to speak to another immortal, the following thursday after the incident if another one should ever happen and voice my opinion'

Kae says to Quelron, 'if it's a big now thing, use pray too.'

Quelron says, 'rather not use pray when all I want to do is complain about another immortals attitude'

Kae says to Quelron, 'well, no'

Kae says to Quelron, 'I meant for a situation that seems about to get out of hand with other players'

Bind says, 'i dont mean to be crude, but this bickering is getting you all no where and in concurence with LadyAce may we please move on with the issue at hand'


Double Standards with Swearing?

Bind says, 'how is it right that an imm may swear but we get verbal warnings for it'

Kae says, 'this is not a public channel, Bind, you can swear here :)'

Kaige says to Bind, 'it wasn't on public channels either'

Bind says, 'really'

Bind says, 'i thought we couldnt swear at all'

Kaige says, 'if you're asked to stop you should... so you can get warned for it in yells, or says or tells, but it's rarer'


When do Warnings Go Away?

Huma says, 'when do warnings come off your record?'

Huginn says to Huma, 'they never clear the file'

Huma says, 'aha'

Kaige says, '6 months and they're no longer visible or used for tallying against current violations, but they're always available to provide a history and establish patterns for the immorts.'


Does the Void Still Exist?

Huma says, 'do you guys still have those cool rooms like uhm, the void and stuff?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Huma.

LadyAce giggles at Huma.

LadyAce nods her agreement with Huma.

Huginn has a perch.

Huma says, 'been years since I've been there'

Huma disappears in a mushroom cloud.

Huma arrives from a puff of smoke.

Huma bounces around.

LadyAce says, 'see!'

Huma cheers for LadyAce - huzzah!

Huma says, 'you know what would have been a good idea, leave the old clanhalls in the game, just cut off the trans mobs and stuff, woulda been nice to be able to visit the old playground'


What do Consider Msgs Really Mean?

Bind says, 'where could i get a list of the consider scale? also is there always an imm on?'

Kaige says to Bind, 'and I don't think we have an official published list for the con levels.'

Bind says, 'could i get one of you to send me a mudmail with the list???'

Bind says, 'or just tell me'

Sethe giggles.

Lorenzo says to Bind, 'just con the same mob each time you level'

Sethe says, 'i've been playing for years'

Chocorua says, 'we've never officially [published that'

Sethe says, 'all i know are which ones are higher than perfect match and which are lower'

LadyAce says to Bind, 'yes, try Lorenzo's strategy. You'll figure it out.'

LadyAce says to Bind, 'to get faster results, combine it with the judge skill or spell.'

Sethe says, 'if you follow my lead, you die more'

Huma says, 'or ask me'

Sethe grins evilly.

LadyAce giggles at Huma.

Huma says, 'thats always the way to do things'

Huma says, 'if I dont know I'll make it up'


Clarify PKE Means You Can Be Jumped?

Sandman says to LadyAce, 'can you make it more clear that when you enable PKE its not gunna be duels.. and to not be silly and sit in the open?'

LadyAce says to Sandman, 'well, in PKE, anyone can kill you if they are PKE.'

Kaige says to Sandman, 'help pkill agreement isn't umm... clear enough?'

Sandman says to Kaige, 'for some ppl i guess not =p'

LadyAce says to Sandman, 'what part of that isn't clear? it's the old pk....'

LadyAce says, 'I think that you cannot mandate how someone will feel about you attacking them'

LadyAce says, 'you can feel all justified, but you can't make them like it.'

Sandman says to LadyAce, 'i have no clue! i just have this drama following me because silly pker's sit out in the open and expect me to be nice =p'

Sethe looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says, 'so suck it up and take the rep'

Sandman says to LadyAce, 'i have been ;)'

Kaige says to Sandman, 'but than again, the other side of the coin is, you have to remember you have to take what you dish out too'

Sandman says, 'its actually fun :)'

Temujin waves happily.

LadyAce says, 'so there's no trouble!'

Huginn says to Sandman, 'being old pk doesn't mean you have to kill someone who is afk'

Sandman says to Kaige, 'ayup'


Less Spam with GET ALL CORPSE?

Huma says to LadyAce, 'can we code some type of thing where, much like "X takes off his equipment" it can appear as "X gets the equipment from the corpse"'

Huma says, 'and only the person getting all the gear actually see the gear hes accumulating'

Huginn says to Huma, 'why?'

Kaige says, 'even if it's not their corpse?'

Kaige snickers softly.

LadyAce says to Huma, 'I think that we leave it in there because of taking stuff from mob corpses or other people's.'

Sethe blinks at Kaige.

Huma says to Huginn, 'the spam reason'

Kaige says, 'that could be nasty in pkill'

Bind says, 'thats a good idea'

LadyAce says to Huma, 'it's linked up code.'

Sethe says, 'das baaaad!'

Huginn nods solemnly.

Huma says, 'well if its just one piece of EQ'

Huma says, 'if could appear as it usually does'

Huma says, 'but if someone types g all corpse.'

Huma says, 'it could appear as like Huma takes everything he can carry from the corpse of Herne'

LadyAce says, 'it would help with spam, true. Use idea and suggest it :)'


Bug with PK Stealing?

Sandman says, 'oh yeah stealing'

Sandman says, 'whats up with this steal bug thing?'

Sandman says, 'im pke.. i couldnt steal someone else who was pke from them that is'

Kaige says to Sandman, 'on the hot list to be fixed.'

Kaige says, 'yeah it's in there with the pkhealing and walls'

Kaige says, 'it's something weird in the way pke and pkok are running together.'

Sandman says to Kaige, 'yeah what im guessing is the pker has ppl pkok accepted and since i dont.. i cant steal..'

Sandman plans to live up to his evil rep and start stealing since he is so terrible =p.

Sandman nods solemnly.

Sandman thanks Kaige heartily.


Games: Flag Hunts and Recall Tag?

Bind says, 'what is the point of a flag hunt, i know what you have to do but what is if for?'

Huma says to Bind, 'to increase mud awareness of the general public, and general amusement'

LadyAce says, 'it's to encourage exploring by having a game about exploring :)'

Bind says, 'ok a learning experience'

LadyAce says, 'and fun to run around for too!'

Huma likes to run around like a chicken with his head cut off, its especially fulfilling if he hits a DT.

Bind says, 'but low lvls have virtualy no chance at getting the flag'

LadyAce says, 'it depends, sometimes you may luck right across one'

Sethe says, 'theres also other games where move doesn't matter s much'

Bind says, 'but if they are actually striving to get it their mv kinda takes it away'

LadyAce says, 'it's true that size & experience gives an advantage'

LadyAce says, 'some games are that way, and some aren't'

Huma says, 'whats the deal with recalltag, is it gone now, or just rare? And if the latter is the case, can we kick some Recall tag into gear?'

LadyAce says, 'every game is going to favor some trait in a person or char, unless it's 100% random.'

Bind says, 'but if you have the expierence but not the size, sorry but i dont think its quiet fair'

Bind says, 'ah'

Chocorua says, 'all games are unfair'

Kae says, 'the only game that's 100% "fair" is the bug lotto where your chances equal your effort'

Sethe says, 'then mebbe grab your big char when they announce a flag hunt?'

Chocorua says, 'the trick is to find the ones you are better at'

Lorenzo says to Huma, 'there was a recalltag recently.. last month? or month before.'

Huma nods his agreement with Lorenzo.

Kae says, 'and even that favors good spellers etc over people who don't spot typos well'

Huma says to Lorenzo, 'where is it now?'

LadyAce says, 'I think I run them maybe each month'

LadyAce says, 'it's not tied to one area any more'


What's with New Channels?

Bind says, 'whats up with all the new channels lately'

Sethe says, 'all the new channels?'

Kaige peers about suspiciously.

LadyAce says, 'maybe you haven't run across them before'

LadyAce says, 'but there's been some new channel code in place for perhaps a year or two'

Bind says, 'hate or not, pkill and i think i saw another one'

Lorenzo giggles.

Lorenzo says to Bind, 'you're just lucky'

Kaige says, 'ahh.. those are conferences... not persistent channels'

Kae says, 'those are conferences, we create them on player requests when chat gets real spammy and not everyone wants to discuss the specific topic'

Bind says, 'hmmm help file on conference???'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Bind.

Lorenzo says to Kae, 'or to save us from ourselves!'

LadyAce says, 'yup'

Kaige says, 'those can be created any time where there's a need for a special topic that may not be of interest to everyone'

Bind says, 'ill have to read'

Kae grins evilly at Lorenzo.. wonder what she's thinking...

Kae says to Lorenzo, 'the downer is of course that I have to watch the ones I make to cut down on the spam'

Kae sniffs sadly.

Lorenzo comforts Kae.

Lorenzo says to Kae, 'some of those are really hard to watch :/'


Status on Asst. GM?

Quelron says, 'ohh, any work being considered on assistant GM yet?'

LadyAce says, 'I appended to your post'

LadyAce says, 'with the issues we've had with that so far'

Kaige says to Quelron, 'the ideas been around for a while.. just no one with time to work on it'

Quelron says, 'well, it was not originally mine, but I did append to it'

Quelron nods his agreement with Kaige.

Quelron says, 'just curious'

Kae thinks asst GM would of be nice personally.

Huma says to Kae, 'I myself have always been the bridesmaid, rarely a bride, I enjoy the Asst GM thing'

Kae says, 'are we done here? Cos then I'll go and be like, productive'

Kaige says to Kae, 'or sleep?'

Kae's trying to ignore that there is a tomorrow.

Kaige comforts Kae.

LadyAce gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Sethe waves happily.


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