Lecture Series Index

September 4th, 2003

Q & A Index

Topics Covered

Archiving Names for Chars?
Problems with Warcry?
Mounted and Falling on Gristle?
Multiple Mobs Triggering at Once?
Q&A/Feedback Channel?
New Hunt Lag?
Status on PK Healing?
A Less Precise Hunt Skill?
Status of SkillTrees?
Next Imm Apps: March 1
SkillTrees Project Status?
Why not just hire more coders?
No 100% Pelts in Savanna?
Redeem for Practices?
New Area Progress?
Affects from Elbow?
Discussion on Surgeons

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Archiving Names for Chars?

Masha says, 'it's sort of a multi-part question'

Masha says, 'One: is it illegal to just make a bunch of characters, typing up those names, and then archiving them? And two: is there any way to purge those out?'

Masha says, 'I went to go make a character of a favorite anime, and when I checked, the name was taken and belonged to an archived character. I tried other names of that anime, and they were also archived characters.'

Kaige says, 'would likely depends on how many "a bunch" is... and two, we've never done any kind of purging on archived chars'

Kaige says, 'what was the name? I can check see how long it's been just for curiosity's sake'

Masha says, 'Well, I tried Sesshoumaru, then Inuyasha, Kagome, Miroku, and Sango'

Masha says, 'Then later, it was Vash, Knives, and Millie'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'Inuyasha's 2 years old.'

Masha nods her agreement with Kaige.

Masha says to Kaige, 'Okies, I thought it was a person just making all the characters and tying up the names just to keep the names.'

Kaige says, 'so's Kagome... Miroku is 3'

Kaige says, 'the dates for last played are all pretty varied'

Chocorua says, 'was getting some video tape of the dogs playinh to show the people we adopted them fromj'

Masha nods her agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says, 'yeah those may be one person, but they're kinda spread out, so I don't think that was it...'

Masha says to Kaige, 'okies. just wanted to know.'

Kaige says, 'after this long, we probably do need some sort of policy on how long we'll hold them in archives tho.'

Masha nods her agreement with Kaige.

Sandra goes EEK! at Kaige in distress - isn't Kaige an awful person for teasing?

Sandra says, 'then I'd have to dig all mine out'

Huginn says, 'we talking about names?'

Herbert smirks.

Huginn says, 'it should be based on level too..'

Huginn says, 'if someone invests time to level to 50, that should matter more than level 2'

Sandra nods her agreement with Huginn.

Kaige says, 'specifically archived chars'

Huginn nods his agreement with Kaige.

Masha says to Kaige, 'that was pretty much my question, then.'

Kaige nods her agreement with Masha.

Kaige says to Masha, 'now if someone was creating char after char and archiving them and it was rather blatantly ongoing we'd probably whap them for wasting our disk space.'

Masha nods her agreement with Kaige.

Masha says to Kaige, 'I was just curious was all. It was kinda disheartening to find out that a series of names had belonged to archived characters'

Kaige nods her agreement with Masha.

Kaige says, 'yeah. the more popular the show/movie/series/book the more likely that'll be'

Masha nods her agreement with Kaige.

Masha says to Kaige, 'I figured that, but I was hoping that people wouldn't be looking to japanese manga's for inspiration'

Kaige says, 'inuyasha was just on cartoon network not too long ago tho..'

Kaige giggles.

Masha nods her agreement with Kaige.

Masha says to Kaige, 'it started out as a japanese manga'

Kaige says, 'gotta get more obscure!'

Masha grins evilly at Kaige.. wonder what she's thinking...

Kaige nods her agreement with Masha.

Herbert says, 'i have an archived Sadako from the Japanese ring, just in case I ever feel like roleplaying a girl with psychic abilities who wants revenge for being tortured and thrown in a well..'

Herbert snickers softly.

Dow says, 'I wanted to make the character Ashitaka, from the Mononoke movie, but the name generator didnt like the 4 letter word in the middle'

Dow pouts.

Masha comforts Dow.

Kaige says to Herbert, 'did you dump her down the well in Mass just for good measure?'

Masha says, 'I'm going to have to go make Usagi now'

Dow says, 'oh'

LadyAce says, 'should just make up names :) then you can change them all around until something fits'

Masha says to LadyAce, 'But... but I wanted to be Sesshoumaru!'


Problems with Warcry?

Dow says, 'I am sorry, but I still think something is goofy with warcry, has anything wierd shown up?'

Dow says, 'I warcry and I warcry'

Dow says, 'and nothing happens'

Kaige says to Dow, 'I haven't seen anything about warcry lately...'

Kaige looks up into the sky and ponders.

Dow says, 'I have had valor for about a month and gotten one special warcry, seems a little weak'

Dow scuffles his feet around in the dirt.

Kaige says, 'ahh.. so not just plain old vanilla warcry...'

Huginn says, 'we're currently evaluating how to change it'

Dow says, 'even warcry light'

Kaige says, 'makes a big difference in where we look in the code for problems too. =)'

Dow says, 'I can get flees more than anything, but not paras'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Chocorua says, 'we are gonna have to setup some tests before we make any decisions on implementation'

Chocorua says, 'because there are a LOT of factors in warcry'

Dow nods solemnly.

Huginn nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'definitely in discussion :) keep an eye out for changes'

Dow nods solemnly.

Dow says, 'I still like the valor and stuff, the regen makes playing fighters more practical now'

Dow nods to himself.


Mounted and Falling on Gristle?

Dow says, 'why why why can I slip and fall on the evil gristle while riding a horse, the horse doesnt slip, just me'

Dow nods to himself.

LadyAce giggles.

LadyAce says, 'idea it to Rus tgo check for it'

Kaige says, 'it's currently only set up to affect players... not NPCs so she doesn't have to make all her mobs there stand up so they're not all sitting there in a clumb like the ones that fall off the cliff in dreamtime'

Kaige giggles.

Huginn chuckles politely.

Dow snickers softly.

Kaige says, 'and I believe she does have some plans for it, but I don't know when she'll have a time to look at it'

Dow says, 'is that why they are all there, I never knew that'

Dow snickers softly.

Kaige nods solemnly.

LadyAce giggles.


Multiple Mobs Triggering at Once?

Dow says, 'when I play a girl character, I get ten mobs asking me if I would make a good wife or something, all at once'

Kaige giggles.

Dow giggles.

LadyAce says, 'that's life :)'

Dow snickers softly.

LadyAce says, 'at least they don't whistle :)'

Kaige says, 'it's REALLY tricky to have different mobs not all trigger when they all have the same acts'

Dow nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Dow nods solemnly.


Q&A/Feedback Channel?

Dow says, 'I really should make a list of things I think of while playing'

Dow wrinkles his nose with distaste.

LadyAce says, 'use the q&a channel!'

LadyAce says, 'or do what Myrella does and write them down, yea :)'

Dow says, 'q&a channel?'

Dow peers around intently.

Kaige says, 'yup Q&A or feedback logs your question to a file and they get answered at the end of the weekly logs'

Dow says, 'ahh'

Kaige says, 'and I leave them as anonymous, so you don't have to be embarassed about asking something dumb or anything like that'


New Hunt Lag?

Lorenzo says, 'did anyone ask how the new change to hunt lag works?'

Kaige says, 'not this week.. it got covered pretty well last week.'

Kaige says, 'but the basics are:'

Lorenzo says, 'I was late, so. Oh, sorry. :)'

Kaige says, 'every time you get the "trail leads message" you'll experience a delay (max delay is still less than one combat round) that's based on the "quality" of the trail'

Kaige says, 'shorter for closer/shorter ranger stuff like good, easily seen, etc....'

Lorenzo says, 'is it less than my ISP's lag?'

Kaige says, 'longer for the cold and imperceptible types'

Lorenzo nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'which are based on perc already... so it's already using that suggestion from the discussion board'

Lorenzo says, 'interesting...'

Kaige says, 'and you can hope on the delay being shorter...'

Lorenzo says, 'okay, thanks'

Kaige says, 'it's kinda cool, you can feel it speed up the closer you get to your prey'

Lorenzo nods solemnly.

Lorenzo says, 'sounds like a neat effect'

Kaige says, 'especially with autohunt... but that's liable to add even more adrenaline when you autohunt into that nasty DT'

Kaige scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

LadyAce giggles at Kaige.

Lorenzo smiles happily.

Kaige says, 'and yes, you'll get a middling delay for "no trails" but none if you're hunting yourself to cancel it out'

LadyAce says, 'kewl'

Kaige says, 'I believe also none if they're right there.'

Lorenzo says, 'oh, you can cancel hunt lag now?'

Kaige says, 'no.. cancelling out hunting altogether'

Lorenzo says, 'ah, I see. if hunt succeeds.'

Lorenzo says, 'my biggest complaint is when I typo the target's name :P'

Kaige says, 'literally typing HUNT SELF clears your hunting trails... but if you're already affected by it... you'll have to wait out any delay that's associated with it.'

Kaige says, 'middling..'

Kaige says, 'since you're looking for something... just not paying attention to exactly what'

Kaige says, 'definitely won't be like it is right now'

Lorenzo says, 'is that like 2 pulses, or three?'

Lorenzo says, 'or not based on the same timing elements?'

Chocorua says, 'well you are spending time looking for a trail and you eventually give up so the lag on a failed hunt makes sense to me'

Kaige says, 'not based on the same as combat... it's smaller chunks'

Lorenzo nods solemnly.

Chocorua says, 'thought i would probably have made it the longest possible but you can all be glad i didn't code it'

Kaige says, 'a combat round's like 18 pulses.. and like I said.. longest for the barely perceived trail at the edge of your range is less than that'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'and the numbers that are there now are a starting place... they may be tweaked, we'll have to see how it goes'

Lorenzo says, 'okay. Thanks for the information. I can't say I like it, but I understand the appeal, and why it solves certain problems.'

Lorenzo smiles happily.

Kaige says to Lorenzo, 'lemme know what you think of it after you've played with it a bit'

Lorenzo nods solemnly.

Lorenzo says to Kaige, 'will do. I think I'm possibly just too much aware of the fact I'm sitting at a computer typing things in badly, but I see the good side of it too.'

Kaige nods her agreement with Lorenzo.


Status on PK Healing?

Cheap says, 'same old question, since walls seem to be fixed, any progress on pk healing'

Chocorua says, 'walls are fixed?'

Cheap says, 'ohh, maybe they are not'

Chocorua says, 'i thought there were more problems to be ironed out'

LadyAce says, 'people were saying they weren't, last week....'

Cheap says, 'no idea, someone said they were'

Kaige says to Chocorua, 'haven't heard any problems since that one at Q&A last week'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Chocorua says, 'i tried to fix them but last week i was told they were still broken'

Cheap says, 'we tested it right after q and a and it worked fine'

Kaige says, 'and she tested it again and didn't have the same problem'

LadyAce says, 'ohhh, neat :)'

Cheap says, 'tested thourougly'

Cheap says, 'not a problem at all, not sure what they were going on with last week'

LadyAce says, 'cool.'

Kaige says, 'no one's done healing or pk stealing yet that were having similar problems that I've seen in commits, but now that we know the logic on that one's good, I'm sure someone will pick up the other two which are likely similar'

Kaige says, 'so stay tuned!'

Cheap says, 'great'

Kaige says, 'it might not happen next week, but hopefully soon'

Cheap says, 'yup, thats fine'


A Less Precise Hunt Skill?

Lorenzo says, 'here's an idea, just occurred to me. not sure how good it is. But have you ever considered a skill that indicates the general direction someone can be found without leading you directly to it? Something that only gives a direction'

Lorenzo says, 'once, not continuously. and invokes some small lag each tie used.'

Lorenzo says, 'imprecise, just for getting the general gist of it.'

LadyAce says, 'I think we talked about that some in terms of the geography stuff that is in'

Kaige says, 'there's a tracking skill that's on the skill trees list but I can't recall how it was hunt lite in details off the top of my head'

Chocorua says, 'it's hard to be imprecise with only 6 directions leaving from each room'

LadyAce says, 'the groundwork would need to be more sophisticated than it is now'

Lorenzo says to Chocorua, 'not what I mean'

LadyAce says, 'well, the idea was things like 'to the northwest of you' if you were in sherwood and they were in canada'

Chocorua says, 'rough to do'

Lorenzo says to Chocorua, 'I mean, if someone is nneeenensw, it could say "the person is generally northeast"'

Cheap says, 'some rooms only 2 directions'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Chocorua.

Kaige says, 'tho that sounds more spell-like than skill like'

LadyAce says, 'yea, like dowsing'

Chocorua says, 'yeah that'd almost have to be arcane'

Lorenzo says to Kaige, 'true'

Kaige says, 'locate person lite'

Cheap says, 'ohh, can we get a dowsing rod? that would be funny'

Kaige says to Cheap, 'also on the trees list if I recall'

Cheap chants vina dyn dyn ex target

LadyAce says, 'I just remember talking about it some as an eventually-possible, could-be-cool sort of deal'

Lorenzo says, 'I find that I don't really need to be taken directly to people most times, but it's awfully slow going to search all over room by room. if I could just get a tip, I wouldn't care so much for hunt as it is.'

Cheap says, 'a magical rod with a big y pops into exsistance, spins around a few times and then, blamo, your target is south-east of you and cold :p'

Lorenzo says, 'I know the areas well enough to look exhaustively usually, so it's not a matter of being unwilling to learn the roads. Just looking for some acceleration.'


Status of SkillTrees?

Cheap says, 'is skill trees still considered "not active"?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Cheap.

Cheap says, 'is it lack of people available to work on them or some other issue?'

Chocorua says, 'they burn coders out'

LadyAce says, 'time, people, time to coordinate the people....'

Huginn says, 'there are a lot of other priorities..'

Cheap says, 'right, just curious'

Kaige says, 'some of both. we're currently at a point with them where we need a very detailed road map, so that pieces can be handed out and stuff, but it's not on the top of the priority list atm'


Next Imm Apps: March 1

Malekith says, 'I read last LT and realized i just missed deadline for my coding proposal. When will be the next deadline for a coding proposal?'

Kaige says, 'March 1st.'

Malekith sighs loudly.

Malekith nods solemnly.


SkillTrees Project Status?

Lorenzo says, 'another trees question, just curious about it. how much of the general infrastructure is in place, the foundation that parcelled-out subprojects would share and depend on? Or how much is designed/sketched out/whatever?'

Kaige says, 'the worst part right now is actually the skills and what all they entail and making sure to avoid feature creep and duplication of existing functions'

Chocorua says to Kaige, 'and getting the people working on it to agree on anything'

Kaige says to Lorenzo, 'there's some details on the infrastructure left, but not the bulk of it at this point I don't think.'

Lorenzo nods solemnly.

Kaige doesn't have the latest version of the todo list for it in front of her, so...

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Kaige nods her agreement with Chocorua.

Lorenzo says, 'yeah, I was just curious what the general sense of it is'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Lorenzo smiles happily.


Why not just hire more coders?

Cheap says, 'why not advertise to the public that you wish to bring on 2 or 3 coders/builders for the purpose of just doing skilltrees?'

Huginn shakes his head in disagreement.

Huginn says to Cheap, 'that'd be a bad idea'

Chocorua says, 'advertising for people who aren't interested in the game itself to work on it isn't a good plan'

LadyAce says, 'we take applications every 6 months, so most folks who have the skills should know'

Kaige says, 'because we need a road map to direct them instead of having them sitting around twiddling their thumbs until we do?'

Cheap says, 'er, public being player base public'

Chocorua says, 'we also don't pay a lot'

Lorenzo says to Cheap, 'have you ever needed work done, and had open positions, and cast for resumes?'

LadyAce says, 'but we wouldn't consider people without player experience to be properly skilled, at this stage'

Lorenzo says to Cheap, 'it's hellacious.'

Cheap says, 'sorry, should of used playerbase not public'

Cheap says, 'I mean advertise that to the playerbase'

Chocorua says, 'i already get a lot of grief because i play less than i used to so my ideas are tainted by not being a player'

Huginn says, 'even so there's a lot to learn about the codebase before you can even look at trees'

LadyAce says, 'I think that the interested folks with the skills tend to know'

Cheap says, 'right, but the incentive would still be there maybe'

Chocorua would rather have a new board system than trees

LadyAce says, 'they ask about it, come to these sessions, etc.'

Cheap nods solemnly.

Cheap says, 'just a thought, albeit apparently not a good one'

Lorenzo says, 'I generally figure on 4-6 months for a new hire to pay out what the other staff have put into his training'

Lorenzo says, 'I'd love a new board system, too.'

Lorenzo giggles.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Lorenzo's head.

Kaige says, 'hmm.. I was trying to say that it wasn't a bad suggestion if we were ready to throw warm bodies at the project... but we're not.'

Chocorua says to Kaige, 'yeah well defined jobs to pass out that is'

Kaige nods her agreement with Chocorua.


No 100% Pelts in Savanna?

Saiph says, 'how come when I skin the Lion, Rhino etc in the savannah I dont always get a pelt?'

Galactus says, 'knife's dull?'

Galactus shrugs helplessly.

Kaige says, 'you're skinning skill's not up to par? or maybe your tanning skill?'

Saiph says, 'what tanning skill?'

Saiph peers at himself myopically.

Galactus says, 'so the more you use it the better it becomes?'

Kaige says, 'well, maybe that's the problem then.'

Kaige shakes her head.

Galactus pouts.

LadyAce says, 'sometimes there's a failure -- you ruin the pelt in the process of doing the skinning, that kinda thing'

Saiph says, 'Like I wanna waste a pratice on tan :P'

Saiph ducks to the ground.

Chocorua says, 'well ...'

Galactus smiles at Chocorua.

Saiph says, 'its not ruined, I got a hunk of fur from the Lion'

Kaige says, 'up to you.. if you want good quality pelts..'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Saiph says, 'Nah its just fun to Make T'kalo work while I rest'

Saiph laughs.


Redeem for Practices?

Vanion says, 'had one question , would skill reimbursement for like a number of redemption points ever be possible? like adventuring for years would allow you to catch onto new things?'

LadyAce says to Vanion, 'it's something we've consistently said no to, I'm afraid'

Vanion nods solemnly.

Chocorua says to Vanion, 'not a popular idea with the imms'

Kaige says to Vanion, 'we really don't want to give real in game advantages merely for racking up xp.'

Saiph says, 'only really helps amges anyways so I say its a bad idea :P'

LadyAce says to Vanion, 'tempting idea, but it opens too many risks of abuse and imbalance'

Yarblek says, 'so what if it isnt popular with the imms. . . Legend is here for the Players =P'

Vanion says, 'well there wouldnt be very much abuse if it was set to like 1 practivc for 3-4 redemption points'

Vanion says, 'it would stay very sparse'

Chocorua says, 'the imms are the design staff you gotta convince them that your ideas shoudl be implemented'

Yarblek is joking, naturally

Vanion nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'the problem comes when a system like that is in for, say, 3 years'

LadyAce says, 'and the superduper chars that started 10 years ago have 2x the skills of everyone else'

LadyAce says, 'now imagine you're a newbie coming in'

LadyAce chuckles politely.

Yarblek says, 'and people have amassed 14 extra practices?'

Chocorua says, 'its like giving an extra 10 hps for every 100 million exp .. not so big a deal till Israfel cashes in'

LadyAce says, 'it's tempting as an idea, but not sustainable into that future where you want new blood'

Vanion says, 'well im also referring to the possibility of gaining one and losing one, staying at a max skill range'

Galactus says, 'redeems arent worth my skill practices anyways'

Yarblek nods his agreement with Vanion.

Vanion says, 'purty much if someone wanted to do a complete character change it would take a lot of adventuring and practice but still keep the character'

Kaige says, 'the only time we really have been willing to offer that is with major code changes that shift the balance on how certain skills are used in the game.'

Yarblek says, 'advanced swords is doing me no good, but with 3-4 redeems, I can cash it in for something new'

Vanion says, 'right first time i saw em'

Vanion nods solemnly.

Vanion says, 'dunno just throwin ideas out, hey im the Q in the q and a here'

Kaige nods her agreement with Vanion.

Kaige says, 'what it's here for.'

Vanion smiles happily.

Vanion says, 'ok well i knew that was something id need a group response too , thanks'

Vanion tips his hat gallantly.

Kaige smiles at Vanion.


New Area Progress?

Galactus says, 'how are the new areas comin?'

LadyAce says, 'about the same, nothing too new to report'

Galactus says, 'ok'

LadyAce says, 'steady progress in most quarters, etc.'

LadyAce giggles.


Affects from Elbow?

Vanion says, 'heh another one came to me...'

Vanion says, 'was more of an "idea" but wanted some input'

Vanion says, 'elbow having a temprary entrance like effect when disoriented'

Vanion says, 'so like for one round after one, it would say you are too disoriented to do that, instead of you are too busy dancing'

Vanion smiles happily.

LadyAce says, 'elbow does have a disorient effect that makes various things difficult...?'

Herbert says, 'it sure does...'

Vanion says, 'yea moving around was the only one i was aware of'

Herbert says, 'no there's others'

Herbert says, 'very important others'

Yarblek says, 'spellcasting is affected too'

Herbert says, 'spellcasting, moving, certain skills..'

Yarblek nods his agreement with Herbert.

Vanion says, 'oh well that knowledge is greatly appreciated'

Vanion tips his hat gallantly.

Yarblek says, 'I do understand though, for 1-2 pulses should be no specials work, like with bash'


Discussion on Surgeons

Herbert says, 'this is just something i was thinking of for surgeons, doesnt need skill trees, just a little skill that would make them a little different'

Herbert says, 'a skill that is basically like courage under fire, where a surgeon can operate while in combat'

LadyAce says, 'could be interesting to take the stats from cmd_metrics and print them like area_visits & etc'

Yarblek nods his agreement with Herbert.

Sandra wrinkles her nose with distaste.

Yarblek says, 'good call'

Herbert says, 'requires massive mind/spi to use it, but basically just so they could still heal a tank while tanking themselves'

Sandra says, 'Not sure I care for that idea, Herb'

Herbert says, 'i wouldnt call it courage under fire of course, just that kind of thing'

Herbert says, 'whys that Sandra, im curious'

Herbert says, 'not saying im surprised or disgruntled just wanna hear some other points of view hehe'

Sandra says, 'it's kinda hard to see how one would be able to beat up on something at the same time as operating on someone else ;)'

Herbert says, 'that was just something i thought of at random'

Sandra says, 'it's why we made it that you coudln't operate while fighting in the first place, really'

Herbert says, 'ok i can resolve that, make it so ya haveta be holding yer scalpel to use it'

Herbert says, 'then introduce statted scalpels'

Sandra giggles.

Sandra says, 'here hold your liver while I go kick his butt a few'

Sandra says, 'then I'll be back to use the same scalpel again'

Herbert says, 'naw cos i wouldnt want ya to be fighting so much as tanking while using it'

Herbert says, 'ever seen a scalpel hit someone? its more like a 'get away from me please''

Herbert says, 'slightly scratch if yer lucky hehe'

Sandra is a nurse.

Yarblek says, 'I wonder why surgoens use scalpels, how can you heal by cutting on someone. . . should be a sewing needle of some sort'

Chocorua says, 'i've seriously hurt msyelf with a scalpel'

Sandra says, 'they stick pretty well in a wall'

Sandra giggles.

Sandra says, 'like the medical version of darts!'

Yarblek sews up some of your wounds. You feel better.

Herbert says, 'i've cut my finger a zillion times with my scalpel and thrown it at various wall dwellers, but i wouldnt use it to kill someone unless it was totally necessary'

LadyAce says, 'yea, it sorta stretches the reality bubble'

Herbert says, 'its just that as a combat medic which all surgeons on Legend are basically a REAL medic would be healing people and being shot at'

Herbert says, 'assuming a war situation'

Sandra says, 'you should be concentrating while operating. You can't do that if you're getting hit on at the same time :)'

Yarblek nods his agreement with Herbert.

Herbert says, 'FIELD surgery...'

Chocorua says, 'i dropped one while working on a model and it went through my boot'

Herbert says, 'nuff sed'

Sandra says, 'I know what it is'

Kaige says, 'you're still not doing field surgery while you're swinging a blade in your other hand.'

Chocorua says, 'we already let you operate on someone who is fighting'

Sandra says, 'you would be hiding somewhere to do the surgery. We've stretched that so that you just can't be fighting.'

Herbert says, 'i dont wanna swing a blade'

LadyAce says, 'it's field as in : not all that sterile, no anaesthesia...'

Herbert says, 'do ya see the purpose of it though? so if you're on a run and some jackass mob turns on the surgeon theyre not completely useless for the round or 3 of tank skill lag?'

Sandra says, 'I see why you would want it, yea'

Chocorua says, 'thast part of the beauty of it i think'

Herbert says, 'surgeons have no fun on runs as they are'

Chocorua says, 'the surgeon needs to be kept safe'

Herbert says, 'ive said it for 5 years, i'll keep saying it, they need SOMETHING'

Chocorua says, 'they already have all the healing jobs'

Yarblek begins operating on you with a mud-and-blood-covered scalpel. You are healed, miraculously you don't get a gangrenous infection.

Herbert says, 'and i'll keep coming up with madcap ways to liven em up'

Sandra says, 'we're working on dress wound still, but Huginn and I sorta got busy'

LadyAce says, 'I think it'd be neat to have more sophisticated mental work to do while fights were going on'

Herbert nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Kaine says, 'such as?'

Yarblek nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Herbert says, 'as it is its spam oper tank, clear, spam oper poor hitter that got turned on, clear, spam oper tank'

Herbert says, 'not exactly the glorious lifesaver ya should be'

Chocorua says, 'stop operating for a few rounds and people will change their opinion on how glorious you are by doing that'

LadyAce says, 'maybe the way to look at it is more from the paying-attention point of view. If there were targetted responses to certain kinds of specials, maybe'

Herbert says, 'ok make agg/wary settings affect your operate level and mob turn, that'd be cool'

Chocorua says, 'i personally find being a tank more boring'

Herbert says, 'so if yer 3agg ya operate better but more chance of being turned on, 3 wary ya operate for less but are safe as houses'

Herbert shrugs helplessly.

Chocorua says, 'that's positional combat'

Herbert says, 'im spewing random again'

LadyAce says, 'like if a stunned person could have a revive from the surgeon, or if a just-crit-hitted person could get some sort of meatball fixup'

Chocorua says, 'and soemthing that would take a lot mroe than changing one skill'

Yarblek says, 'make a different type of rescue for healers. they don't get pulled into the fight, they can heal before you jump back in'

Lorenzo says, 'operating is fun, as long as you're not in a group where your job is to fix up X cause he's the tank and ignore everyone else'

Lorenzo says, 'that's the height of boredom'

LadyAce says, 'part of it is the way certain people run their groups'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'no one ever said that the 10-person big-area-run super-spam style was all there was to the world :)'

Herbert says, 'as it stands theres just no benefit to being a straight surgeon, its been that way for as long as I can remember'

Chocorua says to LadyAce, 'it's what mudding has turned into because its the most profitable'

Yarblek nods his agreement with Herbert.

Huginn nods solemnly.

LadyAce says to Chocorua, 'i'm not sure it's so profitable if it's boring :)'

Herbert says, 'no even outside big runs a 100min/100spi surgeon is near on worthless'

Huginn says to LadyAce, 'it is... in terms of not dying'

Yarblek says to Chocorua, 'thats because you guys have beefed everything to the point where ya cant solo anymore'

Herbert says, 'killzone is a big run area that requires paying attention, and skill on every parties behalf, its not boring'

Sandra says, 'so instead of a group of 10 in one area, take a group of 3 and go everywhere else :)'

Yarblek don't like big runs, 1-2-3 people off wandering the world, now thats fun

Chocorua says to Yarblek, 'thast just not true .. we have just beefed the stuff up that peopale are willing to kill'

Sandra nods her agreement with Yarblek.

Lorenzo says to Herbert, 'it's just too bloody long'

Huginn says to Yarblek, 'that's not true.. there's plenty of stuff that's soloable'

Chocorua says to Yarblek, 'there is plenty out there you can solo'

Chocorua says, 'all of my chars can make progress on their own'

Yarblek says, 'not a "run" though. . . just a few mobs here, go to another area, a few mobs there'

Herbert says, 'i take my surgeon all over the place, runs, xp groups, re-eq trips.. she just doesnt do anything outstandingly cool for the extra 100stat points i spent on her and thats depressing'

Chocorua says, 'run's aren't all there is to the game unless that is all you do'

LadyAce says, 'I think the smaller groups get less play on chat, but they're still done and quite possible to get involved with'

Herbert says, 'she has about 300 more mana than most surgeons, but her movement runs out before her mana ever will'

Chocorua says, 'there is a ton of untapped exp out there'

Malekith says to Yarblek, 'try different ways to kill mobs and you will find one to beat them ... that may not work for all mobs, but for a whole lot of them'

Kaige will admit to beefing up things that weren't intended to be solo'd, especially by players more than 10 levels lower... but definitely not everything.

Herbert says, 'and her heals hit the 30hp cap more often'

Huginn says to Herbert, 'point taken but I don't think there's an easy fix we can just pull out'

Herbert says, 'an easy fix would be the amount healed being based more on your stats with a greater range'

Yarblek nods his agreement with Herbert.

Yarblek says, 'like poultices'

Herbert says, 'but thats not the best fix, its just a reward for stat thing..'

Chocorua says, 'surgeons already heal to much to fast'

Herbert says, 'ok i dont like that im saying this but kneecap base stat surgeons'

Herbert says, 'make the REAL ones earn their too much too fast'

Kaine frowns at Herbert.

Sandra says, 'I would rather give surgeons more options. Like the dress wound thing we're working on'

Herbert says, 'its just all outta whack compared to every other class, and every other class has had a vigorous working over, theres no love for the surgey :('

Herbert stifles a laugh as he regards the situation at hand.

Yarblek comforts Herbert.

Herbert says, 'im mostly just hassling guys dont take me too seriously if i rile you up once in awhile its more likely to stay on the to-do list'

Chocorua says, 'things don't leave toe todo list unless they are worked on'

LadyAce says, 'it's a good discussion to have, don't feel freaky about it'

Herbert says, 'i know dress wound is getting done, thats cool, but its still a low level skill not a 35th plus enhancement that they need'

Chocorua says, 'they just get moldy sometimes'

Sandra says, 'it may change in level. Don't know that til it's done'

Herbert nods solemnly.

Chocorua says, 'and the higher end game isn't supposed to be easy ....'

Herbert says, 'it would be nice if it did, surgeons being the subclass they were and still kinda are just dont have any reason to level past 5 at the moment'

Sandra says, 'personally I want field surgery to be higher level than it is :)'

Chocorua says, 'there has to be SOME challenge ...'

Chocorua says, 'even if it is in finding more interesting ways to do things'

Herbert nods his agreement with Sandra.

Herbert says, 'id go with that too'

Herbert says, 'spread it out like every other class'

Herbert says, '5th 15th 35th'

Yarblek says, 'I like herberts idea of healing under fire. . . not while the surgeon is actually being hit on, but if they are pulled into combat, they can heal, less often, less hp, using a new high mind/spirit skill'

Chocorua says, 'i'd ratehr someone being beat up not try and stitch my belly up'

Herbert says, 'i just consider Q&A a good brainstorming venue hehehehehe its all thought up on the spur'

Chocorua says, 'fine tuning rarely happens during brain storming though'

Herbert says, 'sometimes i DO spare ya the spam by thinking nawwww that sucks in my head...'

Herbert grins evilly.

Chocorua says, 'and thast is a lot of what surgeons need'

LadyAce says, 'I think we're reaching our limit on duration though'

Yarblek nods solemnly.

LadyAce peers at the clock.

Herbert nods his agreement with Chocorua.

Kaine smiles happily.

Yarblek feels himself fading from this other realm.

Herbert says, 'well its all fresh in your heads, go think about it or something..'

Chocorua says to Herbert, 'don't agree with me .. it makes me nervous'

LadyAce giggles at Herbert.

Herbert inserts the self hypnosis tape and hits play.

Herbert says, 'you will aaaaaalll think of suuuurgeons...'

Herbert nods to himself.

Kaine chuckles politely.

LadyAce giggles.

Herbert says, 'naw it IS fine tuning stuff with em, yer not wrong there'

Herbert says, 'anyhoo i should get back to work i took a break to come hassle hehehe'

Herbert embraces the world, content and at peace.

Herbert says, 'cya later guys'

Sandra giggles.

Herbert says, 'and gals'

Sandra says, 'my cats are telling me I need to get off the computer as they try to pile on top of it'

LadyAce giggles.

Sandra waves happily.

Sandra gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

LadyAce says, 'well then :) thank you all for coming!'

LadyAce gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Kaine tips his hat gallantly.

Malekith smiles happily.

Chocorua waves happily.

Lorenzo smiles happily.

Lorenzo waves happily.

Lorenzo says, 'bye, folks'


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