Lecture Series Index

October 28th, 2004

Q & A Index

Topics Covered

Steal Poultices from Corpses?
Bash Setting Priority?
Rent & Materials
ETA on OBJ Templates?
Headbutt Overpowered?
Updates on Hell?
Getting rid of Matchmaker?
Spell Idea?
Deafness and Status
Secondary Attack Items?
Combat Stance Idea
Drinking & Tickless Change?
Innate Defense
Charmies Getting Blocked?
Redeem & In-Game Advantages
Why WFW's Nerfed?
PK Legality Issues
Penalties for Killing Trans Mobs

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Steal Poultices from Corpses?

Fortuna says, 'Why can't I steal poultices from corpses'

Fortuna says, 'when I can steal them from their living counterparts'

Kaige says, 'bug it.'

Kaige says, 'someone probably forgot to add the same change there when we did it for players'

Fortuna says, 'I think I did'

Kaige says, 'I don't recall seeing it lately.. but I haven't looked at the logs since yesterday'


Bash Setting Priority?

CZARS says, 'when did bash set prio?'

CZARS says, 'or start setting rather'

CZARS says, 'I've been noticing lately, headbutt and bash set priority'

CZARS says, 'is that a bug or something new'

LadyAce says, 'I don't know of any explicit changes like that'

LadyAce raises her eyebrow at Kaige.

LadyAce says, 'you?'

CZARS says, 'really, just grab a mort, accept another mort'

CZARS says, 'one of you headbutt, one of you bash'

CZARS says, 'for some reason, bash seems to set priority'

LadyAce doesn't know anything about it :/ can bug it?

Fortuna says, 'Is Huginn on?'

Kaige says, 'yeah, best I can suggest too atm'

CZARS says, 'ok, just wanted to check it wasnt a hidden chance, i'll check it and make sure i'm not insane and then bug it'

Kaige shakes her head.

Fortuna says, 'Rufus?'

Kaige says to Fortuna, 'You're batting 1000.'

CZARS says, 'its just i've been playing a heabdutter and i've noticed after stuns, if the other guy bashes, they're getting prio'

Kaige nods solemnly.

LadyAce nods solemnly.


Rent & Materials

Fortuna says, 'Ok... um'

Fortuna says, 'why have there been drastic changes to rent in the cuch's eq'

Fortuna says, 'I think the new shield went up 1K rent, and the cloak about 500'

LadyAce says, 'I would guess that they're reflections of the material changes'

Kaige says, 'was probably part of the materials change this summer'

Fortuna says, '4600 rent shield... that's like double any other'

Fortuna chuckles politely.

Fortuna says, 'or you're saying the better the material the more rent?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Fortuna.

Fortuna says, 'ok, interesting'


ETA on OBJ Templates?

CZARS says, 'i was wondering when templating was coming in'

CZARS says, 'i mean, i know it's a bother, but is the next 6 months close to a sure thing as possible?'

Sandra says, 'probably could say within the next 6-8 months. But that's subject to Rufus' coding energy.'

Kaige says, 'Your best bet would be to ask Huginn'

Kaige nods her agreement with Sandra.

CZARS says, 'can you double the coffee in his IV?'

CZARS says, 'that might perk up his energy for a while'

Sandra giggles.

Kaige thinks it'd make more energy for playing EQ

CZARS says, 'omg'

CZARS says, 'no!'

Trousers hisses and looks particularly violent.

CZARS says, 'say it aint so, r00fies the eq junkie?'

LadyAce says, 'new stuff comes out, he gets hooked for a few weeks, then he comes back :)'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Kaige says, 'hey.. it pays my bills.'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

CZARS watches his respect for rufus fall out the top floor of the WTC

Sandra says, 'hehe'

Sandra says, 'that and swg'

Sandra jumps in the air and slams a thunderous high-5 with Kaige!


Headbutt Overpowered?

Fortuna says, 'ok I would like to point out/complain/BUG headbut, as it is completely overpowered and I have more than enough proof... have you noticed/done anything about it?'

CZARS chuckles politely.

CZARS nods his agreement with Fortuna.

Trousers says, '100 damage headbuts are no fun'

Trousers mopes around, depressed.

CZARS nods his agreement with Trousers.

Fortuna says, 'I've seen more'

Trousers nods solemnly.

Sandra says, 'doesn't sound like headbutt is the problem'

Trousers says, 'i've had more done to me'

CZARS looks up into the sky and ponders.

Fortuna says to Sandra, 'where from my sentence did you get that?'

Sandra says, 'since headbutt doesn't do 100 damage'

CZARS says, 'no, actually, really it's the con combined with the headbutt'

Trousers says, 'well someone with more con than an elephant that headbutts does 100.'

CZARS says, 'con str and con dex single attack hitters can roll over 2 or 3 secondary 500 hp players'

Fortuna says to Sandra, 'the problem is with the recent change to headbut.'

Sandra says to Fortuna, 'I gathered it from the 'it's completely over powered' line, together with Trousers '100 damage headbutts are no fun' line, and CZARS agreeing with him.'

Fortuna says to Sandra, 'where (if you have 1 attack per round) the subject when headbuted will not hit you back during the same round.'

Fortuna says to Sandra, 'what this creates, in PK at least, is damage not being taken for 1 round.'

Sandra says, 'the stun spell has done that for years. And headbutt originally did that as well'

Fortuna says, 'WRONG'

Fortuna says to Sandra, 'they wake up and hit back during the same round.'

Fortuna says to Sandra, 'tested just 2 days ago.'

LadyAce says, 'I'd rather not argue about balance right now, especially since we don't have Huginn here to say whether anything is being looked at. It ok to move on?'

Fortuna says, 'I was afraid this might happen'

Fortuna says, 'Move on'

Kaige comforts Fortuna.

LadyAce says, 'I'd say, talk to him directly about the question or drop a note or something. Sorry.'

Fortuna doesn't remember being satisfied with Q & A.

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Fortuna ever.


Updates on Hell?

CZARS says, 'is new hell an underplayed area yet?'

Fortuna chortles with amusement.

CZARS says, 'is Kae working hard as a ferret trying to change tidbits of it?'

Kaige says to Fortuna, 'Unfortunately we can't all read each other's minds so sometimes we just don't have an answer.'

CZARS says, 'i mean, really I've tried to be nice about it, but the same basic complaints about hell prevent me from enjoying it'

CZARS says, 'the random aggs and damage is part of it, but i can sum up the problem in a single sentence for me and many other people: legend is a game, nobody is going to waste $##)$)#$ minutes on a barge to 'test our patience''

CZARS says, 'if I wanted to test my patience I'd go babysit'

CZARS says, 'plus the whole item you need to light is also another large pain'

Sandra says, 'I know that she's seen the reports. And I'm sure she's looking into them, but I don't know any more than that since she isn't here to ask'

Fortuna says, 'the brazier you light with tinderbox and greek fire oil?'

CZARS says, 'yeah, the 500 rent or 'kill the shade and hope an assisting mob doesnt wander in' fire oil'

CZARS says, 'i mean, I'd like to think i spent time until I was blue in the face exploring hell with fortuna'

Fortuna says, 'Not a vacation spot'

Fortuna says, 'A bit too cold.'

CZARS says, 'and I'm kinda frustrated what I view as some very basic tweaks to make the area playable not being put in, but whatever, I just thought I'd voice it over here and not on the bug channel'

Trousers says, 'the fact that it's a 5 hour run if you wanna kill stuff says everything.'

CZARS says, 'kill stuff?'

CZARS says, 'haha'

CZARS says, 'you really cant kill anything in there'

Trousers says, 'well'

CZARS says, 'a cause mage and a create mage can'

CZARS says, 'that's about the limit of soloing ability'

Sandra says, 'it's not a soloing area, really'

Fortuna says, 'And could we have some clods of dirt or black mugs please?'

CZARS says, 'well it's not much of a group area either'

LadyAce says, 'Definitely direct your comments to Kae and Cheyla -- with neither of them here, I'm not sure we can recommend much more than that.'

Darktalon says, 'they're probably gonna change stuff but it's only been a few weeks'

Darktalon shrugs philosophically.

CZARS says, 'if they'd changed things the first update i woulda gone back'

CZARS says, 'but now i'm just too apathetic as to something beyond my control happening and it killing me doing something simple like crossing a river'

Allegory glares at nothing in particular.

LadyAce says, 'let's forge ahead.....'

Fortuna says to CZARS, 'has an imm even responded to your question yet?'

Kaige says, 'at least twice now that I've seen... "use bug/idea or mudmail kae/cheyla directly"'

LadyAce says to Fortuna, 'We said to direct the comments to Kae & Cheyla, I think that's about the best we can do.'

LadyAce says to Darktalon, 'Your turn :)'

Fortuna says to LadyAce, 'sorry I just missed it.'


Getting rid of Matchmaker?

Darktalon says to LadyAce, 'please, please, PLEASE change the stupid matchmaker thing so it doesn't override EVERY other posttitle in the game and stick with you your whole life.'

Darktalon mutters under his breath.

LadyAce says to Darktalon, 'Get it removed :) and it doesn't override the others particularly.'

Darktalon says, 'removed how?'

LadyAce says, 'there's a removal quest.'

Darktalon says, 'I even tried dragon slayer'

Darktalon says, 'and for some reason'

Darktalon says, 'I'm more famous for matchmaking than killing a DRAGON'

LadyAce says, 'it's a matter of the order the areas come in on an internal numbering system'

LadyAce says, 'no other control over what shows up or doesn't show up, just a matter of that internal number'

Allegory says to Darktalon, 'I happen to value matchmaking quite a bit.'

Allegory says to Darktalon, 'You're a lover, not a fighter!'

LadyAce says, 'that cover your question?'

Darktalon says to Allegory, 'bAH!'

Darktalon snickers softly.

Darktalon says to LadyAce, 'well I still think it's too stubborn, maybe it should just be temporary?'

Darktalon says to LadyAce, 'but I guess I have to settle for a quest :/'

LadyAce says, 'quest isn't so bad. temporary, people who want it have to keep getting it again and again, and this isn't one that can be repeated'

LadyAce says, 'besides, if ya don't want to be known as a matchmaker, don't get lovebirds together!'

LadyAce winks suggestively at Fortuna.

Lorenzo cheers for non-temporary posttitles.

Darktalon says, 'yeah, good for all those people who aspire to be lifelong matchmakers'

Darktalon giggles.

Fortuna says to LadyAce, 'why did you wink at me?'

Lorenzo winks suggestively at Fortuna.

LadyAce says to Fortuna, 'Not sure, actually, bad abbreviation I guess!'

Fortuna says to LadyAce, 'i remember someone mentioning something to you about abbreviated descs.'

LadyAce shrugs in response to Fortuna's words.


Spell Idea?

Trousers says, 'okay Uhh i just have a spell idea...'

Trousers says, 'I think it'd be cool if the cause mage had a night vision type spell that let a person see in the dark, but sacrificing the color. Kinda a different take on it.'

GooFiE says, 'dont they already have one?'

Darktalon says, 'everything could be shades of green'

Trousers says, 'or just shades of gray'

LadyAce says, 'wouldn't really hurt if someone didn't use color'

LadyAce says, 'like me :)'

Trousers chuckles politely.

Darktalon says, 'maybe you could see room contents but not room name'

Trousers snickers softly.

Trousers says, 'something for causies would be nice'

Darktalon says, 'after all, with night vision you wouldn't be able to really make out stuff around you to orient yourself'

Trousers says, 'or at least a vision through the infared spectrum'

Lorenzo says to Trousers, 'like... uh, infra-vision?'

Darktalon giggles at Lorenzo.

Trousers nods his agreement with Lorenzo.

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Trousers.

Lorenzo says, 'that'd be a good one'

Lorenzo giggles.

Trousers says, 'yeah it would.'

Fortuna says, 'it exists'

Fortuna says, 'they're laughing at you'

Fortuna ducks to the ground.

Trousers says, 'right i know it exists, but the fact is that it's not a usefull spell'

Darktalon says, 'well it kinda does just what you're suggesting'

Trousers says, 'I thought it only showed exits.'

Kaige says, 'that's the skill night vision'

Allegory says, 'night vision rocks!'

LadyAce says, 'I think that we have the idea covered by what we have in already, that seem fair?'


Deafness and Status

Fortuna says, 'I fought the morgawr a few times... kicked his butt good too, but I found myself hard of hearing.. that's cool, sometimes I'll be deaf and it won't say it in my status, but other times it will.'

Kaige says, 'deafness isn't an on/off affect.'

Fortuna says, 'yes...'

Fortuna says, 'I know'

Kaige says, 'it's a chance of being able to hear what was said or not... so the more deaf you are, the more likely you are to notice it and have it show up in status'

Fortuna says, 'yes yes I know'

Fortuna says, 'but in the status it says 'you're having a hard time hearing.''

Kaige says, 'ok. maybe I'm not sure what your question is exactly then...'

Kaige scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Fortuna says, 'yes, it disappears from my status'

Fortuna says, 'as if it has worn off'

Fortuna says, 'but then I am still deaf'

Kaige says, 'just means you beat the die roll for it that particular time'

Fortuna says, 'are you saying it won't always show in my status that I am deaf?'

Kaige says, 'yes. even if you have a high percentage of deafness (it's not a flag, but a number that a die is rolled against) sometimes you'll win the toss and be able to hear'

Fortuna says, 'couldn't deafness be a flag, but a separate act apply to being able to hear'

Kaige says, 'we don't have a way to say, ok this guy is flagged as deaf, let's show that in status. otherwise it'd show anytime that was a positive number'

Fortuna says, 'so you eventually know when the deafness has worn off?'

Kaige says, 'you won't be losing any says =)'

Fortuna says, 'ok, could you make a message when your deafness is 0%'

Kaige says, 'I could try to come up with some descriptive terms for it I guess, more like hunger and thirst are..., but even then it's not 100% accurate'

Kaige says, 'unlike hunger and thirst are, since you're not rolling a die against them'

Fortuna says, 'well I assume that most players are at 0% deafness'

Axis says, 'so is that why my says kept getting eaten :p'

Kaige says to Axis, 'If it says "you can't make out the words" yes.'

Lorenzo is at 12% deafness, or so his audiologist said. At least I think that's what he said.

Fortuna says, 'Did axis say something? because I didn't see him say anything.'

CZARS says to Lorenzo, 'ear hair.'

Lorenzo says to CZARS, 'eh?'

LadyAce says, 'that cover the question?'

Fortuna says, 'I guess'

Fortuna says to Kaige, 'should I idea it?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Fortuna.

LadyAce says, 'yes or no! :) covered or not! for once, you're going to get an answer by golly!'

Kaige says, 'yeah that way I won't forget by tomorrow'


Secondary Attack Items?

Vanion says, 'ok before i get into it, whats the overall goal for the max damage per round chars, like where is it heading? cause since inferno the possible max was risen quite alot, and im wondering if its in the plans to even this out?'

LadyAce says, 'you mean, the amt of damage a mob does in a round?'

Vanion says, 'no us'

Vanion says, 'cause now with a new secondary in a new slot the possible max in a round went up like another 60'

Kaige says, 'ahh.. I see..'

Vanion says, 'cause i mean besides how much i love it, a druid doing 150+damage in a round i would think is impossible years ago'

CZARS says, 'it's because druids arent overpowered'

Vanion says, 'not really'

Vanion says, 'most chars dont even push their max potential'

Kaige says, 'It seems to be an issue with secondary weapons in general, but I don't think there's any wide discussion or consensus about what to do about them at this point.'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Vanion says, 'but i had an idea'alternative to the whole 2ndary thing'

Vanion says, 'try a diff system where the additional damage is done using a skill, for example blindside with hook, elbow with greaves, kick with talons'

Kaige says, 'best thing to do is register concerns like that in the bug/idea channels or directly to Huginn in mudmail so he knows it's an issue'

Kaige says, 'yeah. I remember asking Sadist for things like that way back when'

Vanion says, 'it would even alot out'

Vanion says, 'like instead of decimating each round with greaves, you can do an additional 60damage on an elbow every 2 rounds'

Kaige looks up into the sky and ponders.

Vanion says, 'cause i think the most recent max damage in a single round is over 250'

Vanion says, 'and thats crazy'

Vanion says, 'i did have a new fighting system idea as well when yer ready'

Kaige says, 'I wonder how that'd work with our current skill tools... tho having to type use talons instead of just kick or whatever might be an issue players don't want to deal with.'

LadyAce says, 'Is Fortuna's turn if you're done with your thought, Vanion'

Vanion says, 'oki'

Vanion smiles happily.

Vanion says, 'got another tho'


Combat Stance Idea

Vanion says, 'this one has to do with a new possibility in combat called combat stance'

Vanion says, 'for instance more realisticly like real ancient combat, if one used the shield in front weapon to the side manaeuver it would increase defense, so like on here yer ac goes up, hit or dam down, and yer shiled gets damaged faster'

Vanion says, 'etc etc'

LadyAce says, 'could be interesting, ability to choose between some set of them with their advantages and disadvantages'

Kaige says, 'sounds like adding layers to wary/agg'

Vanion says, 'i believe this might overlap with some possible things to this nature in the works'

Vanion says, 'exactly'

Vanion says, 'it could just be an alteration to agg and wary'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

Vanion says, 'u can only go shield heavy under 0agg'

Vanion says, 'etc etc'

Vanion says, 'or each level is a diff position'

LadyAce says, 'could also have something to handle being attacked by multiple enemies at once, too'

Vanion nods solemnly.

Vanion says, 'lots of fun possibilities'

LadyAce says, 'devote your defense to enemy x, your offense to enemy y, etc'

Vanion says, 'run that by the coding crew and see how heavy the code would be'

LadyAce says, 'sounds like an interesting one for people to think about, send it in on idea :)'

Axis says to Vanion, 'Heavy.'

LadyAce says, 'post to discussion if you want more comments/publicity on it'

Vanion says, 'oh i got all the info in the ole nogan'

Kaige says, 'yeah there's a reason we don't have Ptah's "positional combat sytem" in yet'

Fortuna says, 'Sounds like we're trying to recreate real life in this game'

Vanion says, 'i hate to ask and bolt, thanks for the conversing, but i gotta give my friend a ride'

Vanion hugs everyone.

Vanion bows deeply.

LadyAce says, 'RL is a good common metaphor for design :)'

Fortuna says, 'he did a drive-by questioning'

LadyAce says, 'did you have another question since he's done?'

LadyAce smiles at Fortuna.

Fortuna says to LadyAce, 'yes but the vastness of RL is something that cannot be duplicated, not in the memory of one server.'


Drinking & Tickless Change?

Fortuna says, 'I have mentioned this before but you can still drink once every tick and it's getting to be quite the bother, make it stop please.'

Fortuna says, 'You're hurting America... (quoting John Stewart)'

CZARS laughs.

LadyAce says, 'I don't quite follow?'

CZARS jumps in the air and slams a thunderous high-5 with Fortuna!

LadyAce says, 'you don't want to get thirsty so quickly?'

CZARS says, 'but ladyace isnt named after the stray bullets that hit innocent civilians in a gun fight'

Fortuna says, 'Everyone knows that before the fluid Tick changes, you could drink from your chalice every 2 ticks'

Fortuna says, 'Unintentionally, Huginn and Rufus have managed to make it only once every tick, with the change'

Scathniamh licks LadyAce.

Fortuna says to LadyAce, 'knowing that Huginn does not approve of it, I wanted to know if it's being addressed.'

Sandra says, 'it's known, but I don't think it's been looked at just yet.'

Kaige says, 'I've seen the report about it, but I haven't seen anything about it in commits or dicsussion yet'

LadyAce says, 'that cover it? We don't know.'

Fortuna says to LadyAce, 'not sure how reassuaring it is.'


Innate Defense

CZARS says, 'have we touched on innate defense yet?'

CZARS says, 'this is more of a bearhug or roofies question'

CZARS says, 'but is the tradeoff of hp to movement 1:1?'

Kaige says, 'experiment!'

CZARS says, 'i.e. the 2 movement I'd lose once every dozen rounds just represents 2 hp moved from mv to mana'

CZARS says, 'kaige'

CZARS says, 'i swear to god, if it were possible to determine HOW you coded it I would'

CZARS says, 'unfortunately, there are infinitely many ways, so there is no way for me to experiment'

Kaige says, 'it's also the type of formula we don't give out.'

CZARS says, 'what, the ratio of hp to mana?'

CZARS says, 'erm, mv'

Darktalon says, 'yeah innate defense is like chipping a thumbnail sized piece off mount everest, in terms of the damage you actually avoid with it'

CZARS says, 'if it's 1:1'

CZARS says, 'if it's 10:1 that might be acceptable'

CZARS says, 'unfortunately, i dont know the way it was coded, so I'm just asking a simple question, you dont have to be so hostile, it's the reason I'm asking, because i cant possible know if the damage reduced is 1:1 within reason'

Kaige isn't being hostile.

Darktalon says, 'whatever the reduction is, it's very very very small'

Kaige says, 'Hostile would be "I'm not fucking telling you!" and slaying you.'

CZARS says, 'well 'experiment' sets of alarm bells''

Darktalon peers around intently.

Kaige says, 'well, it's the best way you're gonna decide if it's reasonable too.'

Kaige says, 'I mean I could tell you it was 1: 23023/2394875 time sthe sqrt of pi * X and it wouldn't mean much.'

Kaige says, 'doesn't mean any easier to tell if it's reasonable or not. Darktalon's comments of "it seems like a really small amount" are more in context'

CZARS says, 'yes it would'

CZARS says, 'i just hear it's not a reasonably good skill'

Darktalon says to Kaige, 'and it does. it's teeny tiny :P'

Darktalon says, 'it doesn't make any noticeable difference at all'

CZARS says, 'see, the cute murky one gets the idea'

Kaige says to Darktalon, 'Have you reported that as something you feel is a problem, or not intentional?'

CZARS says, 'pretty sure drakkon bugged it'

Darktalon says to Kaige, 'how would I know if it's intentional?'

Darktalon giggles.

CZARS says, 'just saying, for the stats required to get innate defense, it sure does nothing noticeable if it's a 1 to 1 ratio'

LadyAce says, 'generally one can have a sense about these things'

Kaige says, 'well if say, the helpfile says it gave a LARGE chance to do something and it never did... that'd likely not be intentional'

LadyAce says, 'first, suspect that we don't want things to suck, be unfun or useless.....'

Darktalon nods his agreement with CZARS.

LadyAce says, 'so if it seems really unfair and mean and bad, unintentional is a good first guess'

CZARS says, 'like i said'

Darktalon nods his agreement with LadyAce.

CZARS says, 'pretty sure drakkon said it sucked, i asked at q n a, he bugged it'

CZARS says, 'i've just seen nothing, so from your imm perspective, you now say 'ask huginn, sorry we cant help''

CZARS says, 'not 'we're not telling you na-na-na-na-na-na''

LadyAce says, 'if it's been bugged, that's a good first step. I haven't seen Guy all day, he may be travelling or stuck with trouble at work.'

Kaige says, 'what I'm saying is, saying hey, I don't think this skill is worth while is a much more productive way of going about it, than asking what the formula is'

Sandra says, 'I think he was going out of town somewhere, but I don't know when that was gonna be'

LadyAce says, 'asking for the formulas isn't going to move us forward, because we don't give them out'

CZARS says, 'formula?'

CZARS says, 'i wanted a ratio'

CZARS says, 'you can say it depends'

CZARS says, 'you can generalize'

CZARS says, 'you can defer to someone with expertise'

Kaige would have to look it up to know if it depended.

Kaige says, 'but since we don't give out formulas, the point seems moot.'

Sandra says, 'it depends! But I dunno really'

GooFiE says to Kaige, 'how come you dont give formulas out?'

CZARS says, 'it ruins the fun'

CZARS says, 'the same reason they dont give old chars practices back'

LadyAce says, 'encourages too much emphasis on extreme maximization'

CZARS says, 'and hate legenddb, while totally perplexed as to why it's used so much'

Kaige says, 'it definitely ruins the effort the people who like to explore and hoard the knowledge that they've gained from their experimenting and exploring.'

LadyAce says, 'we like a good mixture of types of folks, a game where it's all about knowing the formulas and doing the math and presto, you win, would emphasize that type of play'

CZARS says, 'ugh, damn anti mathheads'


Charmies Getting Blocked?

Polgara says, 'is it normal for greater charmys to get blocked 90% of the time against lvl 50 mobs nowadays?'

Sandra says, 'um'

Sandra says, 'it's the AC thing'

Polgara scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Sandra giggles.

Polgara says, 'poor create can't kill anything anymore.'

Polgara ducks to the ground.

Sandra says, 'try debuffing your targets'

Fortuna says, 'well, what's the point if charmies don't hit'

Wren peers at Polgara, looking her up and down.

Sandra giggles at Polgara.

Wren says, 'I can ! I can!'

Wren says, 'I can kill! mememe!'

Wren struts proudly.

Fortuna grins evilly at Wren... Wonder what she's thinking...

Polgara says, 'blah well having greater's was fun while it lasted'

Polgara says, 'maybe I'll have to go get a new dagger with a nice debuff'

Fortuna says to Polgara, 'lasted a while though.'

Polgara says, 'ok well if it isn't something being looked into right now then i guess thats it for me'

Polgara nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce smiles at Polgara.

Sandra says, 'yea, it's really not. Personally, I call it a bonus :P'

Polgara nods her agreement with Sandra.

Polgara says to Sandra, 'So would i but i need to redeem 1st :P'

Sandra giggles.


Redeem & In-Game Advantages

Fortuna says, 'Have you give more thought to allowing people to use redeem points to re-imb skills?'

Fortuna says, 'ooh, I'm getting all the anger on this one...'

GooFiE wonders how that would work with chant...

Fortuna braces for impact.

LadyAce says, 'I haven't seen discussion in a long while'

Sandra says, 'it's been discussed, and left dead a few times'

Sandra giggles.

Kaige says, 'the help file reads: Redeem points will likely never be given for things that directly provide an in-game advantage.'

CZARS says, 'ok, how about this arguement'

CZARS says, 'just stop me if it's been tried before'

LadyAce says, 'some folks support it, some don't, and we don't show any signs of shifting, I'm afraid'

Fortuna says to Kaige, 'the definition of advantage is very broad, and can be defined in such a way as to allow it.'

CZARS says, 'you say that the reason you wont give out formulas is because you should let people who explore and find info alone benefit from it'

CZARS says, 'in so many words, you're saying experienced playesr should have an ingame advantage directly from their experience and not from external sources available to everyone'

Kaige says, 'being able to go back and pick the absolutely best set of min/maxing skills available at this date, simply because you have a lot of hours logged and a lot of mobs killed is a pretty direct in-game advantage.'

CZARS says, 'so, you wont give out formulas and secrets because it'll ruin the game for experienced players'

Fortuna says, 'So is having a pretitle, coupons and what not'

CZARS says, 'but, at the same time, you wont let old characters redeem for skills because it'd somehow be unfair to the newbies?'

Kaige says, 'that's not what I said. I said it would ruin it for those that like to figure out their advantages themselves.'

Darktalon sighs loudly.

Fortuna says, 'Because game advantage could be RP advantage'

Kaige says, 'i said nothing about old or new chars back then.'

CZARS says, 'the only ossible explanation i can see for that is that experience is on players, and not characters'

CZARS says, 'like, take eloquence for example'

Kaige says, 'yes, knowledge is definitely a player skill, not a character one.'

Fortuna says to Kaige, 'and picking the best skill set isn't that big an advantage because if someone really wants to they can just make a new character.'

Wren says, 'er interjection'

Wren says, 'bit late'

Wren says, 'experienced players have ingame advantages based ON their experience as a player'

Wren says, 'and not as a number in their score'

Wren wobbles around unsteadily - better sniff her breath!

CZARS says, 'um, wren'

Fortuna says to Kaige, 'i seem to see more of a desire to not-do it then just try it out.'

Wren cowers in fear of CZARS's wrath!

Wren says, 'nooo don't disease meeee'

CZARS says, 'thats only applicable in two cases'

Wren says, 'um really?'

CZARS says, 'one, some idiot who dies so much, they're always at 25 mil xp'

CZARS says, 'or a PKer'

Wren sniffs sadly.

Wren says, 'er'

Wren says, 'what I said is applicable all round'

Wren looks confused.

Kaige nods her agreement with Wren.

Wren says, 'mebbe re-read it?'

CZARS says, 'well, what makes an experienced player?'

Wren jumps up and down a lot, mebbe wasn't clear. Garbly mumbling.

CZARS says, 'whoises'

CZARS says, 'xp'

CZARS says, 'gold'

Wren says, 'no'

Wren says, 'brain'

Kaige says, 'and that same reward can't be gotten by setting up a bot or letting your higher level friends drag you around either'

Wren taps forehead.

Wren says, 'not anything in your SCORE'

Wren says, 'what's in head.'

CZARS says, 'which can DIRECTLY be tied to your gold, xp, and whoises'

Wren taps her forehead. It makes an empty clinking noise. Hmm. Experienced eh?

Kaige says, 'but doesn't HAVE to be.'

Wren says, 'no, it' can't'

Wren says, 'I don't have much gold'

Wren says, 'the xp is incidental'

Wren says, 'and not many whoises really'

CZARS says, 'the xp is the means to get the brains'

Wren says, 'course my brain jus tmade an empty noise'

CZARS says, 'as are the whoises'

Wren says, 'I think I shaddup now'

Wren hangs her head.

Fortuna says to Wren, 'bullies don't need brains.'

CZARS says, 'so you're saying that if you've got big xp, gold, or whoises, you're just an idiot and a bully'

LadyAce says, 'Any further comments on this topic? If not, Fortuna's question is up next.'

Wren says, 'er no..'

Kaige says to Fortuna, 'Personally I'd rather reward brains, ingenuity, and creativity than just sheer persistence.'

Wren says, 'I'm saying that _I_ am an idiot and a bully...'

Wren wobbles around unsteadily - better sniff her breath!

CZARS gasps in astonishment.

CZARS stomps on Wren's toes.

Fortuna says to Kaige, 'but I have to test it...'

CZARS says, 'arenot!'

Fortuna says to Kaige, 'or do you call it ingenuity when you guess the right skill to get.'

CZARS says to Fortuna, 'entrance! good choice!'

LadyAce says, 'we don't really expect folks to have their first character a master of the game'

Kaige says to Fortuna, 'I think taking what you decide on and working with it can lead to some ingenuity...'

Wren says, 'I think expect is not the word'

Kaige says, 'not just following the approved route of least resistance according to LDb'

Wren says, 'I think it's 'don't really WANT''

Wren giggles.

LadyAce giggles.

Wren says, 'or else it would be so boring!'

Fortuna says to Kaige, 'i'm not trying to abuse the game and make a cheap chatacers.'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

CZARS says, 'i am'

CZARS says, 'i'll jump from abuse to abuse'

Fortuna says to Kaige, 'you're looking at me and saying I just want to exploit the game to my advantage and don't care for anything else.'

Wren says, 'me too me too!'

Wren says, 'hey I do that too'

Wren beams at Fortuna delightedly.

Kaige says, 'nope. I'm looking at the bigger picture which includes people like him'

Kaige points at CZARS.

CZARS rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Wren says, 'poo I want to be part of the bigger picture too'

Wren sniffles quietly.

Sandra says, 'you're in the upper left corner'

Wren says, 'how come heee gets to beeee'

Kaige says to Wren, 'You are.'

CZARS says, 'you do realize the only reason I jump from power to power is because I've tried, in all my poewr, to change things and you've ignored me'

Wren says, 'oo'

Wren beams at Sandra delightedly.

Fortuna says to Kaige, 'ok, hear me out, my point is, I don't have the time to dedicate to re-level a lvl 50 when you guys decide to make chaotic changes within 3 month period.'

LadyAce says, 'relevelling a 50 right away when we've made some changes is a little premature'

Wren says to Fortuna, 'wait it out - I am! currently not really writing lists. of course if you're too new to know that it's swinging madly atm, then you are a poor sad puny =/'

LadyAce says, 'if it's chaotic, don't change until you don't feel it's chaotic'

CZARS laughs.

Fortuna says to LadyAce, 'and yet there are some skills which are fundamentally more important than other now.'

CZARS says, 'you want to know why people like me exist?'

CZARS says, 'because immortals dont respond to change'

CZARS says, '3c creates owned PK forever'

CZARS says, 'incite, charmies, squish'

Dalia says, 'To balance out the side of stupidity!'

Wren says, 'actually they seem to be changing things too much lately! go here! go there! go here! go there!'

CZARS nods his agreement with Dalia.

Wren wobbles around unsteadily - better sniff her breath!

Wren falls over!

Sandra says, 'we respond, we're just slow'

CZARS says, 'seriously, I made my battle surgeon and nearly crapped myself it was so funny how often I won'

Sandra says, 'and we like to argue :)'

Wren says, 'yah those are still an issue imo'

Wren giggles.

Wren says, 'the meanie beanies!'

Dalia says to CZARS, 'You sure you just arent the king dingaling?'

Fortuna says, 'ooh i got a cool observation'

CZARS says to Dalia, 'i suck too much.'

Dalia says, 'Wow, Im a jerk when im in a good mood... I should leave'

Dalia tips her hat gallantly.

Wren says, 'oo what?'

Fortuna says, ' In RL you might be liberal, but in the game you're Right Wing Conservatives!'

CZARS cheers wildly!

Wren says, 'lol'

Sandra giggles.

Fortuna says to Wren, 'you like?'

Wren says, 'it's cute!'

LadyAce says, 'I thought things were chaotic and changing all the time, how can we be conservative and never change?'

Wren says, 'I'm not merrycan though sooooo'

LadyAce says, 'are you trying to say it's not possible to please everyone at once? :)'

CZARS says, 'you never learn from your mistakes'

Fortuna says to LadyAce, 'no no, bush is conservative and he created Chaos.'

CZARS says, 'haha'

LadyAce says to Fortuna, 'Not by being a conservative. by being a dope.'

CZARS says, 'you should see this little facker's notepad, with the huge "W'04" sticker on the back'

CZARS slaps Fortuna.

Fortuna says to LadyAce, 'i mean, you only do what you think is right, and won't change your ways.'

Wren says, 'actually they do eventually learn from their mistakes'

Wren says, 'they just don't admit they ever made em'

Fortuna says, 'eventually'

LadyAce says, 'why would you expect us to do something we didn't think was right?'

Wren says, 'look at poor barkskin'

Wren holds her head down and mourns the dead.

CZARS says, 'that took what'

Sandra says, 'I gotta admit, we won't do something we think is wrong'

Wren says, 'so see, they do change things. just dun look for admission'

Wren ducks to the ground.

CZARS says to Sandra, 'start screwing up battle surgeons, I outhit drakkon today. again.'

Fortuna says, 'It's not just right and wrong'

Wren says, 'and remember when those amethyst rings were lots and lots of cure serious type spells'

LadyAce says, 'aw, we say all the time that stuff is a bug, so bug it, and then it gets fixed'

Wren makes a face at LadyAce.

CZARS says, 'fix it'

Fortuna says, 'We know that legend isn't Black and White, there isn't just a right and wrong'

Wren says, 'no it doesn't have that cute apey monster'

Wren drools contentedly.

Fortuna says, 'There is 15 colours though, according to colour guide'


Why WFW's Nerfed?

Dalia says, 'So, can I ask why WFW's were nerfed, and now that strength warriors are beefed up to hell, think we can once again cast damage spells after landing one?'

CZARS says, 'NERFED?!'

CZARS does 200 hp wfw's on his str mage

Dalia says, 'Thats a str mage'

Sandra says, 'that'd be why'

Sandra giggles.

CZARS says, 'god, if I'm raging'

CZARS says, 'up to 400'

CZARS says, 'no more 2 round stupid stuns'

Dalia says, 'Well, I dont like that you cant cast spells on a WFW'd opponent'

CZARS says, 'good solid 4 round asskicking stuns'

Sandra says, 'you have to admit, it's a powerful combo to wfw and then do something like, firestorm'

CZARS says, 'do you really care that much? they're on the ground, stunned'

CZARS says, 'and cant hit back'

CZARS says, 'it's free hp'

Dalia says, 'True, but my mage doesnt bother stunning anymore'

CZARS says, 'i still despise tumble :P'

Dalia says, 'his hps were better used for healing or something... or even straight immolates'

CZARS says, 'you can work it out economically'

CZARS says, 'if you get lucky, wfw's economize your mana'

CZARS says, 'if you get a surge, fail, or just straight one rounders, they might not be as great if you're not a str mage'

CZARS says, 'same way a str mage has to flee sooner than a con mage'

CZARS says, 'or doesnt have the ac and fleeing power of a dex mage'

Dalia says, 'Well if you're a str mage... you're probably better off not casting anything'

CZARS laughs.

Dalia says, 'but a dex or con mage, will benefit from casting an immolate'

CZARS says, 'on some classes, hell yess I'm gonna cast'

Dalia says, 'I think the purpose of taking away the spells on wfw's was cause mages were too powerful'

CZARS says, 'cheese hitter? blind, flee, bind flee, rings of fire :p'

Sandra nods solemnly.

Dalia says, 'Now, the hitters are more powerful'

CZARS says, 'and before, you really couldnt win a pk fight as a hitter for a few years'

Dalia says, 'As evident by the tournament, and by the mass production of str/con fighters'

Fortuna says, 'But huginn isn't here so we can't discuss it'

CZARS says, 'i totally agree'

CZARS says, 'con/dex and con/str hitters are too dangerous'

CZARS says, 'before you got here I complained :p'

Sandra says, 'we can discuss it, but we don't really have some answers to questions about it'

Fortuna says to CZARS, 'not con/dex.'

Fortuna says to CZARS, 'you're exagurrating.'

CZARS says to Fortuna, 'get ic, we'll see how much I'm exhaggerating :p'

Dalia says, 'Which is why I feel like wfw's should be put back into place.. just an idea... im too lazy to defend it further'

Wren says, 'con/dex if you have old gear and hit/dam stacked to high heaven and a heavy hitty stick'

Wren says, 'he's not'

Wren says, 'dex/con'

Wren says, 'he is'

CZARS says, 'actually'

CZARS says, 'my con/dex has been kicking ass'

Wren says, 'in fact even if you are new and stack to high heaven con/dex he's not'

Wren says, 'yah, I have a scary condex'

Fortuna says to CZARS, 'ok you get con/dex I'll get my con/str.'

Wren says, 'who doesn't even have the 'hitter' skills'

Wren shudders.

Wren says, 'course it's a druid!'

Wren scritches head.

Wren giggles.

Wren says, 'oh and it'smore constr than condex'

Wren wobbles around unsteadily - better sniff her breath!

Wren says, 'Imma pipe down again.'

Wren hangs her head.


Pk Legality Issues

Fortuna says, 'Ooh I got one'

Fortuna says, 'and I swear don't just say NO'

Fortuna says, 'take some time to think'

Fortuna says, 'PK involves players getting vials sometimes or other things which are useful'

Wren says, 'yay viles!'

Fortuna says, 'Is it directly illegal, if NOT during combat to get vials or arrows be tainted just so you don't have to use the mob'

Wren says, 'I thought (last time) it was illegal if person knew it was for pk but now with all new rules not know no more'

Wren hangs her head.

Sandra says, 'from non pk people?'

Wren says, 'course it also means I broke a lot of rules making those dispel/immolate vials for sana to throw at brutus during the pk tourney if it IS so'

Fortuna says, 'from non-pk people'

Wren goes EEK! at herself in distress - what a klutz!

Fortuna says, 'they might be PKOK'

Fortuna grins evilly.

Fortuna nods solemnly.

Fortuna says, 'those are fun'

Fortuna says to Wren, 'you're getting locked away for good.'

Wren says, 'funny! best thing is she couldn't keep her vials straight'

Wren giggles.

Sandra says, 'if you know you'll be using them for pk, yea it's not a good idea to walk that route'

Wren says, 'oh'

Wren hangs her head.

Wren says, 'I thought it was okay cause it was a tourney'

Fortuna says to Wren, 'it was hehe.'

Sandra says, 'the tourney is a different story'

Wren says, 'ooh yay!'

Wren beams delightedly.

Wren wouldn't normally make those...

Wren giggles.

Sandra giggles.

Fortuna says, 'Would you argue that PK players getting even preps for a run isn't right?'

Wren says to Fortuna, 'oo slippy.'

LadyAce says, 'preps for a run seems fair'

Fortuna says, 'what if I left the run and jumped someone'

Fortuna laughs.

Fortuna says, 'I mean the line is so blurred'

Wren says, 'then you should get kicked in the nuts!'

Wren says, 'no wait yousa girly'

Fortuna says to Wren, 'fortuna has no nuts.'

Dalia says, 'Oh come on, if you nitpick like that... you're gonna turn this into a craphole :P'

Wren says, 'ummm'

Wren says, 'kicked in the melons!'

Somar says to Wren, 'You so need to apply for admin.'

Somar ducks to the ground.

LadyAce says, 'then it's a matter of intention. Did you fake the whole run just for free preps? Seems silly, but I spose if that's what happened, we'd need to smack you.'

Dalia says, '"Well, what if a non-pk person gets me a weapon, which I then use to stab horror in the head"'

Fortuna says to Somar, 'forming my app.'

Fortuna laughs.

Fortuna says to Dalia, 'i like that skill.'

Dalia says, 'head stab?'

Fortuna nods her agreement with Dalia.


Penalties for Killing Trans Mobs

Wren says, 'though tis more of an idea thingie, I just wanna know if y'all laff your heads off'

Wren says, 'can killing trans mobs set a time limited 'kill me' flag that makes the killer pkok-aa/pke for say half a RL hour?'

Wren says, 'pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease?'

Wren grovels in the dirt.

CZARS nods his agreement with Wren.

CZARS says, 'that's an idea'

Wren says, 'I accept that pk people kill for pk reasons'

Wren says, 'is fine with me'

Dalia says to Wren, 'That will never work.'

Wren says, 'but unclanned who kill trans mobs just cause they think is funny'

Wren says, 'pisses me off'

Wren hangs her head.

Dalia says to Wren, 'This is still a mud where RP is permitted.'

Dalia says to Wren, 'And it could be someones RP to kill the trans mobs.'

CZARS says, 'if I found some tard aa who i knew had killed a trans mob, i'd just perma them unless they had a great excuse'

Wren snickers softly.

Wren says, 'fine'

Wren says, 'take the consequences'

Wren says, 'you RP to kill it'

Fortuna says, 'xp's an excuse'

Wren says, 'Imma stand there and kill YOU ;)'

Wren says, 'seems fine to me'

CZARS says, 'actually, the other option is simple'

CZARS says, 'make the trans mobs really hard to kill'

Fortuna says to Wren, 'i LOVE your idea.'

CZARS says, 'nobody will kill need if you take aengus and teach her his lick attacks :p'

Dalia says, 'some of them were made easy to kill for a reason'

Wren says to Fortuna, 'it would encourage pk by usually peaceful people!'

Dalia snickers softly.

Wren ducks under Fortuna.

Fortuna says to Wren, 'and you said you had no brains.'

Wren says, 'er I have no brains!'

Fortuna hails Wren, yelling 'Ave! Ave! Ave, Wren imperator!'

Wren says, 'that was my jellydonut talking'

Wren beams delightedly.

CZARS grovels before Wren.

Wren raises the Supreme Donut high above her head.

Wren says, 'so um'

Wren says, 'immies wanna laff at me now?'

Wren hangs her head.

Wren says, 'for that suggestion?'

Wren giggles.

Fortuna says to Wren, 'i am afraid you were too late.'

Fortuna ducks to the ground.

Wren says, 'oh'

Wren sniffs sadly.

Dalia says to Wren, 'Your question left them so dumbfounded, that they are speechless.'

Wren says, 'oo'

Wren says, 'powwah'

Darktalon says, 'not even pk, I think every trans mob should insta-junk one piece of the killer's eq at random, at the moment of death'

Wren says, 'nah'

Wren says, 'the pk thing gives PLAYER RETRIBUTION!!!'

Wren says, 'moohahahbeamyay'

Wren hangs her head.

Wren yells, 'REVENGE!!!!'

Wren giggles.

CZARS says, 'retribution?'

CZARS says, 'player?'

Darktalon says, 'sounds abusable to me'

CZARS says, 'where is that old bugger'

Wren says, 'well yah you could crash your pkok target'

Wren says, 'into a trans'

Wren says, 'and wolfpack em'

Wren says, 'if you pke'

Wren giggles.

Wren says, 'but actually that sounds fun'

Wren hangs her head.

CZARS says, 'but pke/aa people already crash'

Wren shakes her head.

CZARS says, 'i've been crashed into aengus umpteen times'

Fortuna says, 'it's soo fun'

CZARS says, 'you just dont notice it as much because you assume aengus killed me, not talia'

Wren says, 'I mean set the flag to make it pkok-aa/pke - imagine you do that to someone'

Wren says, 'who is pkok ONLY'

Wren says, 'you get?'

Wren says, 'who pkok on accept only basis cause scared of packs and the like'

Wren slavers horribly.

Wren says, 'at least that's what I see for abuse'

Wren wobbles around unsteadily - better sniff her breath!

CZARS says, 'aa is already abused'

CZARS says, 'not aa, pkok'

Fortuna says, 'crashing people into an LoP is even funner'

Wren says, 'yah - well it would make squealers for sure... I dun see any other abuse though'

CZARS says, 'accept when not on, kill, flee, reject when they arent on'

Wren scritches head.

Wren says, 'was just trying to think through the abuse'

Wren says, 'I think the imms are all horrified at me.'

Wren sniffles quietly.

Fortuna says to Wren, 'why don't they force accept for 1 PK death.'

Wren says, 'not a squeak!'

Fortuna says to Wren, 'i'm sure it's doable.'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think I particularly know what to think....'

Dalia says to LadyAce, 'This is where you poof out without answering their ramble :P'

Vanion smiles happily.

Wren says, 'oh. I was just goin on about it cause I was trying to get a puny a weapon from ancient, there were no more things for one trans and the usual trans was dead and I needed to go to med and it was night and I didn't have one item because'

Darktalon says, 'I think the one minute expired and their clockwork wound down and stopped'

Wren says, 'because it was too heavy cause I'm too weak to carry so'

Fortuna says to Wren, 'you should say that wihtout the spaces.'

Wren says, 'I had to go to industrial and then go to the longer way and then get the thing and then go the other long way back because the other trans mob was dead'

Wren says, '...'

CZARS nods his agreement with Wren.

Wren says, 'so anc to indus to medieval to indus to anc'

Wren says, '!'

Wren says, 'KILL!!!'

CZARS nods his agreement with Wren.

LadyAce says to Wren, 'I think I haven't seen a rash of trans mob killing, and we've always said that we accepted it would happen sometimes. As to penalties for unsociable behavior, it's a slippery slope.'

LadyAce says, 'but if it becomes epidemic, that's a tempting way to solve it alright'

LadyAce says, 'although it wouldn't really penalize the non pk meanie pantses'

Wren says, 'it would'

Wren says, 'unclanned become kill me'

Wren says, 'for half rl hour... thas what I meant'

Wren says, 'no matter what. sets you to pkok-aa/pke'

Wren says, 'BOTH'

Fortuna says to LadyAce, 'then we can group and be bad!'

LadyAce says, 'oh...well...don't know about that'

Wren hangs her head.

Wren is evil.

LadyAce says, 'not very newbie friendly, that!'

Wren says, 'nope'

Wren says, 'but other than killing the odd trans mob'

LadyAce says, 'kill a mob, you might be killed by the entire mud for it! mwa!'

LadyAce says, 'seems a lil harsh'

LadyAce says, 'how does the newbie know it's a trans mob?'

Wren says, 'I can count 3'

Wren says, 'that they usually kill'

Wren giggles.

Wren says, 'and those aren't the usual ones that are dead'

Wren says, 'when people want to be annoying'

Wren says, 'and also'

Wren says, 'they'd prolly be like level 12 or 15'

Wren says, 'which means run over to kill you bah'

Wren says, 'you're new aren't you'

Fortuna says, 'is it wrong to kill bunnies?'

Wren says, '*pat* don't do that again!'

Wren giggles at Fortuna.

Wren bonks Fortuna on the head!

Fortuna says, 'that are being used by people?'

Wren says, 'oo'

Wren says, 'I kill YOUR bunny!'

Wren lurks around Fortuna ominously!

Fortuna says to Wren, 'don't bonk me.'

Fortuna says to Wren, 'that's my special area.'

Fortuna whines.

Wren giggles.

Wren says, 'we could set a level 35 on it'

Wren giggles.

Wren says, 'like pke!'

Wren hangs her head.

Wren says, 'I just really like the idea. even for the smaller ones but oh well'

Wren says, 'since (cough edit cough)'

Wren says, 'most of the trans mob killers for fun atm are level 50'

Wren says, '(cough edit cough)'

Wren ducks to the ground.

LadyAce says, 'well, if it were an epidemic problem, it'd sound more tempting to me. but it's not the way I'd prefer to see us solve sociable problems'

Fortuna says, 'I think I'll make a trigger to kick bunnies as they enter the bunny killing room'

Wren giggles at Fortuna.

Wren says, 'nooo'

Wren says, 'got better idea'

Wren says, 'if you feeling mean'

Wren says, 'either invis or recall em'

Wren giggles.

Fortuna laughs.

Lorenzo says, 'bind them'

Wren looks accusingly at LadyAce.

Fortuna says, 'then have an army of invis bunnies?'

Wren nods solemnly.

Wren says to LadyAce, 'see I deserve to get done too.'

Wren goes EEK! at herself in distress - what a klutz!

Lorenzo sheepishly admits to having faded bunnies.

Lorenzo says, 'not all of 'em though'

LadyAce says, 'if it was ever so bad, all the transmob killing, we *could* just make them immortal, and figure folks have abused the option to the inconvenience of others too much for us to leave it in'

LadyAce says, 'but all this is cart before the horse, I just don't see it happening all the time right now'

Wren says, 'mebbe you're not on at the same time as those people'

Wren flops about helplessly.

Wren says, 'I've seen it quite a bit past few months'

Wren says, 'and I can't get to them!'

Wren pouts.

Wren looks rabid.

LadyAce says, 'well, I say that cuz it's the first I've heard of it'

Wren says, 'rabidwren!'

Wren nods solemnly.

Wren says, 'has happened quite a few times in past few months'

Lorenzo says, 'go invis and hide in the transmob room, then bust 'em when they come a-killing'

Wren nods her agreement with Lorenzo.

Lorenzo says, 'and!'

Wren says, 'but see now'

Fortuna says to Wren, 'gimme the word and I think I could make things uh... 'happen'.'

Lorenzo says, 'satirize them'

Wren says, 'I think they're not clanned'

Wren says, 'or I'd go whack em meself'

Wren flops about helplessly.

LadyAce says, 'maybe transmobs should be aggy to people who disrespect their brethren :P'

Lorenzo thinks satire is a good solution to this problem.

Lorenzo nods to himself.

Fortuna says, 'Transmob killing clan'

Fortuna says, 'er... protecting clan!'

Wren giggles.

Fortuna says, 'and we could provide 'protection' for a certain monthly tithe shall we say?'

Dalia says, 'Crap, everyones still here'

Dalia snickers softly.

Somar comforts Dalia.

Wren wiggles her small brown toes at Dalia.

Wren says, 'me done!'

Fortuna says to LadyAce, 'real question ow.'

Wren says, 'it's a haha at wren thing'

Wren sniffles quietly.

Fortuna says to LadyAce, 'could I please get that crystal ball from madame decara strung?'

Wren says, 'um'

Fortuna says to Wren, 'so you could finally get me in the balls.'

Wren says, 'oo!'

Wren jumps up and down.

LadyAce says, 'okay, I think that's definitely the end of this'

LadyAce says, 'thanks for coming, all.'

Somar gives LadyAce a huge bearhug - your ribs ache in sympathy.

Fortuna says, 'oh it was'

Fortuna hugs LadyAce.

Fortuna waves to Sandra.

Fortuna waves to Kaige.

Vanion smiles happily.

Vanion snuggles up to LadyAce.


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