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RP Club: 10/26/02

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LadyAce says, 'alright, let's get started, and thanks for waiting while my connection decided to freak out!'

LadyAce says, 'We can put anything you want to talk about on to the agenda, but it seems like a good place to start if we begin with troubles -- anyone have any problems or complaints?'

LadyAce says, 'issues out there where there's something in the way of rp, or where your rp is running aground?'

Pflanzen says, 'yeah.. that whole pesky industrialist era'

Pflanzen spits on the ground.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Pflanzen's head.

Wyth laughs.

LadyAce giggles.

Darla says, 'Well, there is the ever-present difficulty of rp'ing on a mud where only some 10% of the players rp...'

ArchAngel says, 'my comment is somethign that would be for q & a so...'

Wyth says to Darla, 'thats all you need... you dont even need 10% to rp'

Israfel raises his eyebrows expressively.

ArchAngel says, '10% wow I wouldnt give that much even really'

Israfel says, 'Some RP can be invisible. And meant to be that way. Dismissal of something simply because it doesn't fit into preconceived notions...,' in a musical, silver-edged voice.

LadyAce says, 'I suppose it can be sort of discouraging, though, to interact with folks who don't want to be in-character'

Israfel shrugs eloquently.

Vidar nods his agreement with Israfel.

Darla says, 'It was a rough estimate, confounded by the people who say they do, have descs and backstories, then you meet them and they're talking about pop music.'

Wyth shudders.

ArchAngel laughs.

LadyAce giggles.

Wyth says, 'youre right'

Vidar nods his agreement with Darla.

Wyth says, 'pop music is horrible'

ArchAngel blinks.

Israfel says, 'I confess, I rather like it myself,' in a musical, silver-edged voice.

LadyAce says, 'sometimes it's fun to try to drag folks in-character though, so you can play with them :)'

Wyth comforts Israfel.

ArchAngel wont go into that conversation....

Israfel says, 'particularly the Spice Girls'

Pflanzen says, 'I always try to save the ooc stuff for gtell but keep says and talks for IC stuff'

Israfel says, 'with the sound off'

ArchAngel snickers softly.

Darla says, 'I find that only tends to annoy them.'

Vidar nods his agreement with Pflanzen.

LadyAce says, 'any ideas on ways that don't, though? :)'

Vidar says, 'Bash em?'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Vidar's head.

Pflanzen chuckles politely.

ArchAngel says, 'shoot I find it funny when some people drag me into rping... asguard brought me about it because of me name and that I was evil aligned..'

Pflanzen says, 'change rooms?'

LadyAce giggles.

Pflanzen says, 'seriously though.. making it an IC joke with your char, or ignoring it's usually the easiest'

Vidar nods his agreement with Pflanzen.

Pflanzen says, 'cause the people that don't get RP don't.. and hopefully will either start to, or ignore it as well'

Darla nods her agreement with Pflanzen.

ArchAngel says, 'I do rp, only thing is I help people out with things and most dont realize thats what my rp is'

Vidar says, 'I usually make a question like, 'Vhat be dat?' or something similar relating to the topic'

Pflanzen says, 'it's more fun with the ones who'll play along with you though!'

Darla says, 'I've found if people don't rp, they don't. And if they ask me ooc questions and I answer ic'ly or not at all, they'll just switch to tells.'

LadyAce says, 'there have to be some good ways to draw more people in to RP, though. I think once people try it, a lot of them might like it'

Pflanzen nods her agreement with Darla.

Pflanzen says, 'Trick them into doing it more often!'

Vidar nods solemnly.

Darla says, 'Tricking ack! forced rp!'

LadyAce marks a sign.

ArchAngel says, 'its a matter of getting those who do rp to make it more announced or something like that'

Darla laughs.

LadyAce marks a sign.

LadyAce raises a sign marked 'Sorry, I'm one of those "RP" types. Type 'help rp'.' high in the air above her head.

Pflanzen says, 'NONOONO not forced at all... Ask them questions about WHY they're doing/saying things, that make them give a answer that makes sense to you in the world'

Pflanzen says to ArchAngel, 'yeah. We who like to RP should show the mud it's fun...'

Pflanzen says to ArchAngel, 'like instead of having to read so many stories in the LT about things that don't happen on the mud, tell stories about things that do more often'

ArchAngel says, 'not all people get the lt though either'

Pflanzen says, 'anyway.. sorry.. I'm just kinda passionate on the subject at times...'

Pflanzen wearily points to her nametag that says, "Hello, I'm a rabid RP'er when I have the time"

ArchAngel says, 'granted when it comes to rping I'm not real thick on it but I'm just making my rp into a helping rp of a sort'

LadyAce giggles.

Pflanzen says, 'so talk about things you like that show RP going on in the LT and point 'em where to go when they ask "what's that?"'

LadyAce says, 'seems funny from a minion of death'

Darla says, 'helping people to death...'

ArchAngel says, 'theres been many people who I've helped with things a lot of times'

LadyAce winks suggestively at ArchAngel.

ArchAngel snickers at LadyAce nastily.

Vidar points to a nametag reading, 'I am Vidar, be prepared to be frustrated.'

Vidar winks suggestively.

Pflanzen giggles at Vidar.

ArchAngel says, 'I wanna know who suggested that to the imm who put that idea in front of me'

Darla wonders why she doesn't have a nametag.

LadyAce giggles.

Pflanzen hands the minx with an innocent smile a blank one and a pen to fill it in with.

Vidar chuckles politely at Pflanzen's feeble witticism.

Pflanzen says to Vidar, 'why feel left out?'

LadyAce says, 'There have to be ways to bring RP more into people's consciousnesses tho'

ArchAngel says, 'theres an expie for rping isnt there?'

Vidar nods solemnly.

ArchAngel says, 'heres an idea give me a minute to type it out'

Vidar gets the 'Best Supporting RP' Expie Trophy from a dark sleeve.

Vidar nods solemnly.

Darla says, 'If people talked more in the game, like not spamming directions but stopping to say hello if you pass by someone on the way somewhere.'

Pflanzen mutters something about how picking a name other than your own and acting out a virtual life could be anythign BUT roleplaying... but that's just a personal pet peeve.

Darla says, 'If there were no tells or group tells, because too many people jsut sit around chatting with friends ooc.'

ArchAngel says, 'every month or so have a lil rping contest or something and to the ones who rp the best or just rp at first give them like a token or something to reward them and all'

Pflanzen says, 'heheh. we never sit around ooc. we sit and be lazy out in the game.'

Pflanzen says, 'but like I said, we OOC chitchat in group tells not says'

Vidar says, 'But who is to judge someone elses rp?'

Pflanzen says, 'everyone does anyway, some just aren't polite about it'

Darla says, 'right, if you did your chitchat ic, that would help bring rp out.'

Pflanzen says to Vidar, 'nothing wrong with dropping an ooc tell to let people know when you're amused by something they do either'

Pflanzen shakes her head.

Pflanzen says, 'chitchat about popmusic, whining about the weather/chores/bills./?? how does that bring RP out?'

Darla says, 'Sometimes I'll sit in an inn, and there will be like 5 people there, but totally silent, because they are all just chitchatting ooc. Nobody is actually talking in the inn.'

Vidar says to Pflanzen, 'Never said there was... I do it all the time'

ArchAngel says, 'ones to rp could be like the imms or have someone create a new char to test out the rp of a person or something'

Pflanzen says, 'oh. yeah it'd start visible conversation.. but wouldn't help RP I don't think'

Darla says, 'rp isn't just high drama. Most of it is just ordinary interactions.'

Pflanzen says to Vidar, 'I know you do.. I try to too.. just don't have the time to play a lot. =('

Pflanzen nods her agreement with Darla.

Pflanzen says, 'I think a lot of the non-rper's and new rper's don't get that too'

Darla says, 'that's why usually the char with accents win expies...'

Vidar says, 'My alt one an expie and he has no accent'

Tashanen says, 'I have a tangential suggestion'

LadyAce says, 'shoot :)'

Tashanen says, 'would it be possible to have this sort of thing as a channel instead? is there some reason why it's not?'

Tashanen says, 'sometimes I'm interested, but I also want to get xp get gear help a friend etc'

Leontes grins evilly.

LadyAce says to Tashanen, 'the advantage of having it in-person is that we're having a focused conversation, not doing other stuff ... I think it's hard to pay attention and contribute if I'm also doing fifty other things....'

Tashanen says, 'so while I may not be able to contribute, it would be nice to hear what's being said'

Tashanen says, 'ah'

LadyAce says, 'we'll put a log on the web, for sure'

Vidar says, 'but ones with accents are easier to spot'

Vidar nods his agreement with Darla.

LadyAce says, 'It does sound like increasing daily, everyday RP would be a big advantage'

LadyAce says, 'sort of subversive, too -- people get into RP without really knowing that's what they're doing'

Darla says, 'That's what I meant. For non-rpers and new rpers, the people with accents are the ones they know are rping, so they vote for them.'

Vidar nods his agreement with Darla.

Vidar says, 'Den Vidar ees beink glad he have de accent'

Pflanzen says, 'Encouraging people who auction stuff interestingly in character too.. or who ask for help doing stuff that way.. Not just LET"S DO PD.. but like Edric used to do calling for war against them'

Vidar winks suggestively at Darla.

Vidar says to Pflanzen, 'Yeah, it was always fun to see how he would call up the troops each tiem'

Darla says, 'I would also like to see some way that our actions have an affect on the mud as a whole.'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Pflanzen.

Mina says, 'it's hard to do things like that in character, I've seen more then one person who tried get slapped down so hard they actually left for a few days'

Tashanen smiles faintly. 'Well, but that's a choice you make when you decide _not_ to be obvious about roleplaying. It can be diverting to see how well your invisible RP works. It's harder than it looks. Because slips are noticeable.'

Darla says, 'It is rather difficult, since by the nature of the theme, we're just passing through history and not affecting anything.'

LadyAce says to Darla, 'as in, mobs responding to RP'd things more? or changing after an RP?'

Darla asks Tashanen, 'define invisible rp.'

Tashanen says, 'something that is patently different from the player'

Tashanen says, 'but is not visible to anyone who isn't a personal friend of the player'

Pflanzen says, 'I think just like you have to have a hard head and thick skin to be a PK you also have to have it to be RP... have fun how you want to... and say the hell with those that don't get it.'

Tashanen nods his agreement with Pflanzen.

Pflanzen says, 'I always get slammed for my level grats...'

Pflanzen says, 'screw 'em.. they can gag me'

Darla says to LadyAce, 'Well, some way it would count. Not just someone saying they are taking over klein, and the 4 people who rp with them going along with it and everyone else laughing.'

LadyAce says to Mina, 'I think we do have to stick up for people who try'

Mina nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Mina says to LadyAce, 'I've tried, but it typically ends up in a war of words on chat'

Mina says to LadyAce, 'which typically ends up with me saying the words I HATE saying..if you dont like it, turn the channel off or gag the person'

LadyAce says to Darla, 'that's interesting, I was thinking about that a bit after the Decara tinyplot. It'd be neat to make her have at least a few different responses to people because of what happened in the plot'

Mina nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says to Darla, 'is that what you were thinking, or bigger than that?'

Pflanzen says, 'or if she had died.. and we got a new mob.. like her daughter who still fufilled the same functions, maybe slightly different personality... some diff responses'

LadyAce says, 'on the other hand, if people decide their RP is to destroy the world...I kinda wouldn't want to see us destroy it :)'

Mina chuckles politely.

Mina says to LadyAce, 'maybe for one day it rained fire '

Pflanzen says, 'doesn't it get destroyed every Friday?'

Mina giggles.

Darla says, 'Well, it could be done with a lot of small things together. More mobs that respond to different sexes and alignment.'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Darla.

LadyAce says, 'I think, RP'ish ways to interact with mobs would be really nice additions...'

Pflanzen loves playing with the mobs that have good responses.

Pflanzen says, 'both socials and spoken ones'

LadyAce says, 'like shopkeepers who you could buy from having conversations instead of just BUY. LIST.'

Darla says, 'LIke, I always hated when my child char got hit on by cowboys in SF...maybe if there was a way to set age if you want to play a child.'

Mina nods her agreement with Darla.

LadyAce says, 'there are a few that way exclusively, but it'd be neat if all of them could be talked to if you wanted to do your buying IC.'

Pflanzen says, 'heh. Women were SCARCE out there then'

Pflanzen comforts Darla.

LadyAce giggles at Pflanzen.

Mina says, 'my child alt is forever getting hit on by mobs, and it's silly..cuz her rp is she is very young and I dont think we have that many sickos like that'

LadyAce says, 'that's a cool idea, the trouble with age right now is that it's so spell based'

Pflanzen says to LadyAce, 'do you guys have a way to set age below what you come in at with char gen? what is that.. 17?'

Mina nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Darla says, 'Or even something more encompassing, like a way to have certain chars be leaders of areas.'

LadyAce says to Pflanzen, 'I think you're stuck at 17'

Pflanzen nods solemnly.

Mina says to Darla, 'now that would not be to cool..because we have hundreds of players and very few areas, it rewards the few and leaves the masses out'

Pflanzen says, 'How do you make sure the deserving people get and keep 'em though?'

Darla says, 'Well, it might be something where there is constant competition for it.'

Wyth bounces around.

LadyAce says, 'it might be interesting to have clans be focused on that kind of thing'

Pflanzen says, 'yeah but some of you're better roleplayers might not have the "might" to do something like that'

Mina says, 'how to compete tho?'

Pflanzen nods her agreement with Mina.

Mina nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Darla says, 'I'd be afraid it would just become where imm friends get it.'

Mina says to LadyAce, 'now clans having a hold on areas would work'

LadyAce says, 'like a caretakers/local government sort of thing'

Pflanzen says to Darla, 'I'd be more afraid of the pk bullies'

Mina nods her agreement with Darla.

Mina says to Pflanzen, 'both would be a problem to be afraid of'

Darla says, 'Perhaps to please more people, some areas could be by pk, like with trophies, and some by rp, voted on or something.'

Pflanzen looks up into the sky and ponders.

Mina says to Darla, 'but how to decide which is what? '

Pflanzen says, 'I haven't seen a lot of imm favoritism here like I have on other muds'

Pflanzen shudders.

Pflanzen shrugs philosophically.

Darla says, 'I have.'

Leontes grins evilly.

Pflanzen must just be in the wrong crowd then.

Pflanzen shrugs philosophically.

Mina says, 'war type areas, crusades, Somme, ares like that for pk groups'

Pflanzen says, 'anyway..'

LadyAce says, 'well...favoritism is always a bad topic. I can only really speak for myself, but I hate going to the same folks over and over to play along with RP stuff'

Darla nods her agreement with Mina.

Mina nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'the only reason I find myself going to the same folks is that they do play along. It's not what I prefer, it's just that I do need people to do stuff.'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

LadyAce says, 'anyone could join that group of 'reliables' for me, if they wanted to.'

Darla asks LadyAce, 'You don't trust new people?'

LadyAce says, 'If they step up and want to be involved, super'

Mina wrinkles her nose with distaste.

Mina waves happily.

LadyAce says, 'I'm thinking of maybe 3 or 4 times in my time here, though, where I felt like I needed help, and no one was giving it to me.'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

LadyAce says, 'I guess I don't know what you mean by favoritism :/'

Darla says, 'I think that sometimes, even if people don't intend it, their group can be perceived as a closed circle, and very few people will bother with begging to be let in.'

LadyAce says, 'because I can't really think of what we'd give people that would show that.'

Darla says, 'Nobody wants to ask for friends.'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Pflanzen says, 'I always hate walking up to someone and saying hello or something along those lines and getting blown off.'

Darla says, 'I've run into the problem a lot of times that there are many people I can't rp with because I don't do preplanned rp.'

Pflanzen shrugs philosophically.

Pflanzen says, 'preplanned...'

Pflanzen looks up into the sky and ponders.

Pflanzen says, 'hard. especially to coordinate with a lot of people'

Pflanzen says, 'kinda boring too if there's no room for improvisation'

Pflanzen shrugs philosophically.

Pflanzen thinks the best kind is give and take with a goal or two in mind

Pflanzen says, 'and seeing how it plays out'

LadyAce says, 'I've had people complain about me not letting them in on my RP, and I've had trouble getting in to other people's.'

LadyAce says, 'I dunno if that's any more an imm thing than a 'way life goes' kind of thing'

LadyAce says, 'what do y'all think, about getting involved with other people's RP -- trouble, easy, how to do it?'

LadyAce winks suggestively at Wyth.

LadyAce winks suggestively at Cipherz.

LadyAce winks suggestively at Leontes.

Darla says, 'trouble. Rp on legend is an uphill battle, and I'm really tired of it.'

LadyAce wrinkles her nose with distaste.

Darla giggles.

Darla says, 'sorry for the harshness...'

Pflanzen says, 'maybe it's cause I don't have a lot of time to play, so I don't see that as much... maybe it's cause I'm more on the fringe of things and happy to just brush against RPs'

LadyAce says, 'nah, it's ok to lay it on the line :)'

Pflanzen says, 'but I also think something like what she said could come up especially based on the two RPs you're trying to mesh.'

Pflanzen says, 'I mean I can't see how working a full vampire into my lazing around in the sun would work well'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Pflanzen's head.

Darla nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'maybe it's hard to see how to fit the vampire thing in, too, because people make assumptions that that's all there is to you?'

Pflanzen says, 'but... I don't usually have trouble coming up with an excuse to help kick some mob's butt with whoever.'

Darla says, 'That is another problem...since people rp such vastly different things here, it is work just to figure out how your char is going to react to this other one, and you never really get good interaction.'

Pflanzen looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says, 'I wonder if it'd be useful to make a database of dossiers? :)'

Pflanzen says, 'isn't there a board for that sort of thing up here?'

Pflanzen says, 'maybe getting people to use/read that would help?'

LadyAce says, 'I was thinking more like, on the web'

Darla says, 'Some people did put there's on the rp board.'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Pflanzen says, 'you mean like the old char pages?'

LadyAce says, 'maybe promoting that more, and making a web version (with permission)'

Pflanzen blows the dust off the page as it opens.

LadyAce says, 'yea, like the char pages, only maybe easier to generate'

LadyAce giggles.

LadyAce nods her agreement with Pflanzen.

Darla says, 'I think something like 1-2 paragraphs.'

Pflanzen says, 'hell could use most people's look at descs then'

Pflanzen wrinkles her nose with distaste.

LadyAce giggles at Pflanzen.

LadyAce says to Pflanzen, 'Giant ASCII Art!'

Pflanzen says, 'sorry, another pet peeve... I really dislike reading someone's life history or ascii art or song lyrics when I look at them'

Pflanzen scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Leontes grins evilly.

Pflanzen checks hers to make sure her foot doesn't wind up in her mouth.

LadyAce giggles at Pflanzen.

Darla says, 'nope, no life story or song lyrics.'

Darla giggles.

Pflanzen goes to find an ascii bee.

LadyAce says to Dias-Jax, 'we're talking about how people find out about each other's RPs'

Pflanzen whistles innocently to herself.

Dias-Jax says to LadyAce, 'I been watchin :)'

LadyAce says to Dias-Jax, 'talk talk :)'

Dias-Jax says, 'Im just here to see if anything comes up that I could have fun with using an alt, it's well known I don't RP Dias anymore, but I do have some alts'

Darla says, 'Well, I'm of the school of thought that you should find out about it through ic interaction, but a list and brief thing of the active rp'ers that are approachable would be nice.'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Darla.

LadyAce says, 'yea, I was thinking more of a crib sheet, the sorts of things that one might know generally about someone without having met them'

Pflanzen says, 'ooh like one of those silly 10 things about Me charts they make you fill out at work and hang on your door with your likes and dislikes?'

Darla says, 'hmm, famous people. You apply, and other people tell what they know about you.'

LadyAce giggles at Pflanzen.

LadyAce says to Darla, 'maybe we need 'People' magazine for Legend :)'

Darla giggles.

LadyAce says, 'or a society column, really.'

Pflanzen likes flowers, sunshine, animals. Dislikes: pollution, greed, and anything that smells of industry.

Pflanzen can usually be found lazing about in a field full of daisies and sunflowers.

LadyAce says, 'I keep going back to the comment about people walking past'

Darla says, 'We had something like that on our hopelessly out of date IN website.'

LadyAce says, 'if we really did say hello to each other, we might know some of this stuff'

Pflanzen says, 'no one stops to smell the flowers any more!'

Wyth says, 'i smell flowers and plants'

Wyth giggles.

Pflanzen cheers wildly!

Darla says, 'I smell corpses.'

Dias-Jax says to Pflanzen, 'not true! I have an alt that's good and nice and wants join your clan, just dun play her 'nough'

LadyAce giggles.

Dias-Jax scuffles his feet around in the dirt.

Pflanzen says to Dias-Jax, 'prolly can't catch the flighty GM either'

Dias-Jax says to Pflanzen, 'I tried once, but my login times for her are goofy like I said, cause Im not good with her class yet'

Pflanzen nods solemnly.

Pflanzen says, 'i'm good with mud mail once I can get on to receive it.'

Dias-Jax says, 'full druids aren't my type, but Im getting there :)'

Pflanzen says, 'don't have to be a full druid to be in Fields... just have an appreciation of nature'

Pflanzen says, 'we've got some chars that are the antithesis of full druids'

Pflanzen giggles.

Dias-Jax says, 'Well I decided wanted her to be full, cause it fits her RP like a glove'

Pflanzen nods solemnly.

Dias-Jax says, 'she dun even got a weapon :P'

Pflanzen says, 'just 'splainin'

Pflanzen waves an unfinished script.

Pflanzen says, 'me either!'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Pflanzen's head.

Dias-Jax chuckles politely at Pflanzen's feeble witticism.

Pflanzen says, 'for writing up about all the nasty industrialists'

Pflanzen hangs her head.

Pflanzen says to LadyAce, 'sorry, some aspects of this char are hard to avoid when I play her even in ooc.'

LadyAce pets Pflanzen lovingly.

LadyAce says, 'RP clans are another thing I keep on thinking to strengthen and improve and help them'

Pflanzen looks up into the sky and ponders.

Pflanzen says, 'clan mudmail is about the only thing I can think of..'

Pflanzen says, 'being able to mudmail a whole clan or an unknown GM of a clan and just plain all GMs..'

LadyAce says to Pflanzen, 'your contest was a great event, maybe we can get more clans to sponsor such things'

Pflanzen says, 'oh the archery contest thingy? Yeah. that was fun.'

Pflanzen says, 'we wanted to do something again this summer, but everyone was just crazy busy with real life in july'

Pflanzen says, 'the Institute one was fun too!'

LadyAce giggles.

Pflanzen says, 'and I know the Knights did a tourney a long time ago.'

LadyAce says, 'yea, and the knightly tournament way back when'

LadyAce giggles.

Pflanzen nods solemnly.

Dias-Jax says, 'I wish knights would do more'

Dias-Jax says, 'Could have fun with tourneys, encourages RP AND PK for everyone that's willing'

Wyth laughs.

LadyAce says, 'I think part of it is people having a whole lot of characters, and being in a lot of clans, it dilutes it down'

Pflanzen nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Dias-Jax nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'it doesn't mean as much that you made it into clan X, if you're in all their competition too'

Dias-Jax says, 'I try to keep it simple, I had my day of being in 4 PK clans at once'

Dias-Jax scuffles his feet around in the dirt.

LadyAce says, 'hard to establish identities for so many and keep straight who you know with which alt'

Darla nods solemnly.

Pflanzen says, 'but then you get accused of being cliquish if you're particular about who you take'

Darla says, 'Hard to keep straight who you know when people yap so much on channels.'

Dias-Jax says, 'I just have trouble keeping straight who I know through all the tells'

Dias-Jax nods to himself.

LadyAce says, 'in real life it's easier because we have faces to look at, mannerisms to watch'

Pflanzen stands up.

Pflanzen dusts off the seat of her pants.

Pflanzen says, 'mannerisms? what're they?'

Pflanzen says, 'yes, rhetorical'

Pflanzen stares off into space.

LadyAce says, 'working with people to develop their uniquenesses, then :)'

LadyAce says to Lorenzo, 'you were asking me about voices the other day'

Pflanzen nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Lorenzo looks up into the sky and ponders.

Darla says, 'You mean like how Rowane emotes his voice?'

LadyAce says, 'encouraging people to think about aliased motions like some of you have might be interesting, too.'

Lorenzo says to LadyAce, 'Oh, right. Yes, I thought it would be interesting to be able to characterize your voice as mart of a character registration, similar to the way a description goes.'

Pflanzen says, 'can hear people whining about more spam now.'

Pflanzen ducks to the ground.

LadyAce giggles.

Darla says, 'Well, there are different speaking socials.'

Pflanzen says in a timid voice, 'sorry.'

Darla whines enigmatically 'like this.'

Pflanzen says, 'but it's too easy to be lazy and always type just a ' to talk'

LadyAce says, 'yea, but everyone can whine :) maybe only five people would have a high, nasally voice'

Lorenzo says to LadyAce, 'Originally I thought it would be a better alternative than hearing a tall, tony beauty yell something. How do I know that that the thin, irritating voice I hear belongs to a tall, tony beauty?'

Darla says, 'you could alias one you like to your say. Bug the imms to add more.'

Lorenzo shrugs helplessly.

LadyAce nods her agreement with Lorenzo.

Lorenzo says, 'or to a person with a particular name, whom I've never met'

LadyAce says, 'yeah, the auto-identification of voices is an oddity'

Pflanzen grumbles, 'stock diku crap'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Pflanzen.

LadyAce giggles.

Pflanzen says, 'hmm...'

Pflanzen says to Darla, 'what do you think would happen if you had to introduce people to your real name... if you had a desc?'

Darla clears her throat. When she speaks, it is high and soft, like a child's. She says, 'Or you could just emote it the first time you speak with somebody.'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Darla.

LadyAce says to Darla, 'it doesn't need to echo in all the time'

LadyAce says, 'I think if we did have voices, we could just use them in yells and then randomize them into speech every so often'

Darla says to Pflanzen, 'I often do introduce myself.'

Lorenzo says, 'it might be nice if you could give general qualities of your voice in an imm-registered parameter like a desc, then further qualify that with moodish things'

Darla needs to get talk and tell straight.

LadyAce says, 'it's terrible to introduce yourself to people who you've met before, though :/'

Pflanzen says to Darla, 'no no.. I mean like they couldn't guess from the who list and try names on you until they got you'

Darla says, 'I would rather it be in lieu of moods, if so registered.'

Lorenzo says, 'though you'd need tight controls, like a mad libs, so make sure the grammar comes out right'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Darla.

Darla says to Pflanzen, 'I've played muds like that, where you don't know a person's name until you remember them with it.'

Pflanzen says, 'or once you'd been introduced to someone, you could "rename" them what you wanted... so you wouldn't have to remember which desc is who'

Lorenzo says, 'I don't necessarily think it should use moods -- probably not'

Pflanzen nods her agreement with Darla.

Darla says, 'It's good for remember who you've actually met too.'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Pflanzen.

LadyAce says, 'an acquaintances list :)'

LadyAce says, 'kinda like befriend, but added when you do a certain social?'

LadyAce shakes Lorenzo's hand.

Darla nods solemnly.

Darla says, 'could be.'

Lorenzo says, '"remember minx darla" if she introduces herself. If not, "remember minx deceptively nice vampire lady"'

Lorenzo giggles at Darla.

Darla giggles.

Darla says, 'But I'm not a vampire!!'

LadyAce giggles.

LadyAce says, 'sure, sure.'

Darla smiles carefully, not showing her teeth.

Lorenzo chuckles politely.

ArchAngel says, 'your not a vampire just like I'm not a killer....'

ArchAngel peers at himself myopically.

Pflanzen says, 'you sure bit my alt like you were one'

ArchAngel licks a silver serrated sword.

Pflanzen sulks in the corner.

Darla says, 'But you wouldn't know without ooc information, unless I tried to bite you. You would just suspect.'

Lorenzo says to Darla, 'but that's part of it -- how do I associate you in my memory?'

ArchAngel says, 'simple you dont :P'

Darla says to Lorenzo, 'However you wish, I'm just making a point about ic vs ooc information.'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Lorenzo's head.

ArchAngel says, 'theres lotta peoples desc who if I saw them I wouldn recgnize them until the desc disappeared..'

Lorenzo says, 'I suppose this would be about the right place to comment on some of the descs I see, and how inappropriate they are to an honest, life-like acculumation of knowledge about a person'

Lorenzo sighs at himself. What a sorry sight.

LadyAce giggles.

Lorenzo says, 'but I'll try to stay away fro mthat'

Darla looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says to Lorenzo, 'what kinda descs are you thinking?'

LadyAce says, 'the non-visual kind?'

Lorenzo looks up into the sky and ponders.

Lorenzo nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'I get a lot of pushing from people who want to make those, I agree they're bad'

LadyAce says, 'some people think they're the only way anyone will know their RP :('

Lorenzo says, 'the kind that tell you something about a character that cannot be evident from visuals or behavior'

Darla says, 'you mean like descs that show more than what somebody would normally notice by looking?'

Pflanzen says to LadyAce, 'through PLAYING it?'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Pflanzen's head.

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Darla.

Lorenzo waves a welcome to Straussy. Hello!

LadyAce says, 'well, there's a level where you can tell them 'too bad, go do it'....but it also seems like a sign of something, if they think that's the only way to get the word out'

Pflanzen is probably an offender in that.

Pflanzen scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Pflanzen says to Lorenzo, 'short's ok.. but long is iffy?'

Pflanzen says to Lorenzo, 'for your criteria I mean'

Lorenzo says to Pflanzen, 'no, not necessarily. shorts and longs can be fine'

Pflanzen says to Lorenzo, 'I meant mine or you mean look ats?'

Lorenzo says to Pflanzen, 'yours are fine, to me'

Pflanzen smiles happily.

Pflanzen says to Lorenzo, 'was trying to understand where the line you were speaking of was drawn. =)'

Lorenzo nods solemnly.

Lorenzo says, 'trying to think of an example, without picking on actual people'

Pflanzen says to Lorenzo, 'A ninety-year old grandmother to twelve is standing here making her grocery list in her head?'

Lorenzo says, '"a cruel stock broker" wouldn't be too good, in my book -- generally, there's no way I'd know from looking at someone or watching him sit in an inn that he's cruel, or that he brokers stocks'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Pflanzen.

Lorenzo says to Pflanzen, 'yes, like that :)'

Pflanzen is a natural extremist.

Pflanzen scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Lorenzo chuckles politely.

Lorenzo says to Pflanzen, 'but there are other traits that you can see by observing over a short period, and those are all good'

Lorenzo says to Pflanzen, 'and it's reasonable that one could tell you're an herbalist from looking at you'

Pflanzen says to Lorenzo, 'especially if you spend any time with my group'

Lorenzo smiles at Pflanzen.

Darla says, 'A lot of people are confused about what rp is. They think it is having some complex character with a wonderful backstory. But it is what you DO.'

Pflanzen says, 'I think it's both'

Pflanzen says, 'hard to DO if you don't know the backstory yourself'

Pflanzen giggles.

LadyAce says, 'I think it's an awful lot of fun to put together vast backstories by acting them out'

Darla says, 'Well, yes, but what is the point of the backstory if you never do.'

Pflanzen nods her agreement with Darla.

LadyAce says, 'big dramas, big plans. But I also think it's fun to insist on quality food, and hailing people on the street.'

Lorenzo says, 'though I don't want to be in a position of judging or rating people's desc, generally :)'

LadyAce says, 'I think that the big stuff does intimidate people, give them the wrong idea, that kinda thing'

Darla says, 'Oh I'm fine with judging and rating. People hate me for it though.'

Pflanzen says to LadyAce, 'I love asking for something in return when they ask me for something'

LadyAce says to Darla, 'there's a certain double-edged sword to judging, tho.'

Edric_Wulf says to LadyAce, 'thought ye redid the prize machine'

LadyAce says, 'on the one hand, it's absolutely frustrating to have someone whose RP is to declare themselves the king of the world and ignore what you're doing, but it's also sort of chilling if a person thinks they can't RP anything or they'll be judged.'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Pflanzen says to LadyAce, 'like I said, being hard-headed and thick-skinned help just as much in RP as PK.. maybe more.'

Pflanzen chuckles politely.

Pflanzen says, 'but yeah. I hate when people jump all over someone for their play style just becuase it's not theirs'

Lorenzo chuckles politely.

Darla says, 'It's frustrating to be often told that I do that kind of thing, forced rp sorta, when I totally don't.'

LadyAce says to Darla, 'maybe it'd help if next time you run into it, you could convince the person to really explain what they meant'

Darla says, 'I think that they imagine I am ripping their throats out when I do this.'

Darla pounces on LadyAce, pushing her to the ground and snapping her teeth a hair's breadth above her neck.

Pflanzen says, 'nah.. you missed that time.'

Darla says, 'Maybe not next time.'

LadyAce says, 'well, if you did it to one of my chars, I might want to slap you and not talk to you any more :P'

LadyAce says, 'not everyone wants to be pounced!'

Darla says, 'well, I admit it isn't nice, but it isn't powerplaying.'

Pflanzen says, 'who was it Jen-jen? you couldn't even tickle because of some real life emotional scarring?'

Pflanzen shudders.

Darla says, 'yeah, Jen-Jen...I got cursed at for that.'

LadyAce says, 'well, can't let a few odd events completely shape your outlook :)'

Darla says, 'And listening to what is on chat, I have another subject...why are so many prize strings so ooc?'

LadyAce says, 'I tend to make them something of a mix, following what people suggest/seem to like.'

Darla says, 'STrings should be for rp.'

LadyAce says, 'it's an ultimately OOC machine, after all'

LadyAce says, 'some of the stuff is supposed to suck :)'

Pflanzen says, 'coupons are more useful for those kinds of strings'

Lorenzo giggles.

Darla says, 'It seems like there are a lot of things in there that are basically just contemporary.'

Pflanzen says, 'the prize machine ones are good for being goofy and making money most of the time'

LadyAce says, 'a lotta folks have pretty contemporary outfits, too.'

Darla says, 'But don't you think it encourages people to rp badly?'

Lorenzo says, 'I think a mix is good. Some people like to dress up, but don't so much have a single role to play into, or don't have time enough to spend on all the kinda of outfits they'd like to have characters wear'

Lorenzo says, 'iow, it's fun for non-rpers, too'

Darla says, 'well, I suppose some people don't rp but collect strings just to show off.'

LadyAce says, 'sometimes prize machine stuff turns out good for RP, sometimes not. Sometimes it's junk.'

Darla shrugs philosophically.

LadyAce says, 'I try to keep a good balance, but the horrible stuff is much more memorable :)'

Lorenzo says, 'RL, I sometimes collect trinkets as conversation pieces, or as triggers on memories. They don't all reflect who I am, precisely.'

Pflanzen says, 'I think if you don't see the kinds of things you like, dumping some suggestions for cool stuff on idea would help her get ideas for stuff you'll like too'

Pflanzen shrugs philosophically.

Darla says, 'any ideas for things I like I keep for my own strings...but I would like to see things that fit the mud theme, even if they are junk.'

Lorenzo says, 'I don't like a lot of the strings/zips that people use for emoting channels, for example, but I absolutely see the appeal it holds for them.'

Pflanzen nods her agreement with Lorenzo.

LadyAce says, 'I think I usually have about a quarter of the things that are outside our time span or modern in styling, half that is pretty solidly RP'ish, and a quarter coupons'

LadyAce says, 'it varies some with the season'

Darla says, 'recently, most everything I've seen is either totally contemporary, or iffy.'

Darla says, 'But maybe I've just seen a biased selection.'

LadyAce says, 'could be people keep the stuff that's rp'ish :)'

Lorenzo says, 'it's sort of like illusions -- people make really lame ones, like Quimby's BORED BORED BORED ones, and them make a big fuss about them -- but they *can* be fun even outside the boundaries of RP, too.'

Pflanzen groans loudly.

Pflanzen nods her agreement with Lorenzo.

Lorenzo says to Pflanzen, 'sorry'

Lorenzo smiles happily.

Pflanzen says, 'oh wait.. didn't read the last line there'

Pflanzen giggles.

Lorenzo chuckles politely.

LadyAce says, 'but here's the last 20 items to come out of the machine: icecreamcone, daisychain, straightjacket, slinky, hot tub, newspaper, nametag, purple pillow, lawn chair, blue bustier, xray specs, signet ring, green thum, cigarette case, surfboard, skillet'

Pflanzen says, 'but yeah.. some of them ooc illusions can be fun at time'

Pflanzen says, 'I missed the daisy chain!!?!?'

Pflanzen faints.

LadyAce says, 'so lemme see, of those, slinky, xray specs, and hottub are way out of theme'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Darla says, 'So slinky, nametag, lawn chair, xray, surf...'

Lorenzo says, 'and, I think that part of what we are considering OOC in this discussion really amounts to carrying a secondary RP under the same character as you also have a different RP with.'

Darla says, 'uh...'

Lorenzo says, 'the way people interact, in practice, isn't really bipolar, ic/ooc.'

LadyAce says, 'lawnchair, surfboard, maybe nametag are 'questionable''

Darla says, 'And why do two things have to do with smoking??'

Darla coughs loudly.

LadyAce giggles.

LadyAce says, 'dunno, I don't think anything before that was related.'

Darla says, 'I thought the immies were all texans, not new yorkers.'

Darla giggles.

Pflanzen says, 'that'd be the cigarette case and the straight jacket to help stop?'

Pflanzen raises an eyebrow inquiringly.

LadyAce says, 'the smoking things were easy to customize and I was playing with the customizing acts I'd written :)'

Darla says, 'No...the engraved zippo.'

Pflanzen says, 'oh. I didn't see that in the list'

LadyAce says, 'zippo hasn't come out yet, is why it wasn't in the list'

Pflanzen was too stuck on missing out on the daisy chain

Pflanzen bursts into tears.

LadyAce hugs Pflanzen.

Pflanzen giggles.

Darla says, 'Edric was just trying to give one away on auction.'

Pflanzen snaps her fingers. ATTITUDE!

LadyAce says, 'right, this was stuff that's not in the machine any more, from my archive'

Darla says, 'ah.'

LadyAce says, 'just to pick a sample set, is why I limited it to that'

Pflanzen says, 'and not give spoilers as to what's in there now?'

LadyAce says, 'I've seen some really successful RPs of people who are from modern time and who react as modern people trying to get along in a timetravel ancient world'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Pflanzen.

Darla says, 'If you give away a customized thing, does it get changed?'

Pflanzen says, 'poppy's story in the LT today was a cool hint of that'

LadyAce says, 'it's stuck with the letter that's on it. It's a nice way to hold on to the family name, or a momento of a friend, is what I figure'

Darla says, 'Or makes it hard to sell...'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'but more meaningful if you use it in another way'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Pflanzen says, 'your trash may be someone else's treasure?'

Darla says, 'I miss the tiny dolls. Those are better to give as a memento than an old nametag.'

LadyAce says, 'I think the elf game had something along those lines recently, so I hadn't put it in for a while'

Darla says, 'Well, I mostly came to find out what people are up to these days, not to complain so much, so I'll be quiet now.'

LadyAce giggles.

LadyAce says, 'is anyone up to anything?'

LadyAce now has a good list of ideas for stuff to do ...!

Darla says, 'nope!'

LadyAce says, 'makes me want to go out there and say hello to people on the street like a madwoman :)'

LadyAce says, 'what would you like to be up to? :)'

Lorenzo says, 'have you heard the word of Johnny Walker, our Lord and Savior? Well, please take a pamphlet and step right in!'

Pflanzen says, 'besides sleeping?'

LadyAce giggles at Lorenzo.

Pflanzen says, 'what would I like to be up to? stomping out the entire industrial era... failing I know it's rather ambitious, not likely to happen and umm.. impractical, seeing things that gathered players in one place (like the market days did) happen more often... but in ways that didn't kill one or two imms'

Pflanzen comforts LadyAce.

Pflanzen says, 'games are fun.. but rather OOC in nature...'

Pflanzen says, 'the Market Days were IC fun'

Pflanzen says, 'basically I'm usually happy where there's people.'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'more reasons for people to interact on that everyday level'

Pflanzen says, 'don't have to XP, don't have to PK (tho if it's the logical conclusion or punishment it's ok) but yeah'

Pflanzen says, 'but I don't think making forced mechanics like healing only works in inns or something like that would make sense or help game wise'

Darla says, 'more reasons to get people out of their castles and runs to meet with people.'

LadyAce says to Pflanzen, 'then they'd be too spammy for people to interact'

Pflanzen says, 'that too'

LadyAce says to Darla, 'any favorite techniques for that?'

Pflanzen says, 'It's spammy enough when people operate in there... when one well placed augmented poultice would do the job fine'

Pflanzen nods to herself.

Darla says, 'No...nothing comes to mind.'

LadyAce giggles.

LadyAce says, 'well, it must happen at least sometimes'

Pflanzen says, 'sounds silly and inane... but not waiting to be approached, but going ahead and approaching other people first'

Pflanzen says, 'I mean I know not every roleplays the happy, friendly bubbly types... but doesn't have to be that type of approach'

Darla says, 'keeping channels ooc.'

Pflanzen says, 'I like them how they are...'

Pflanzen shrugs philosophically.

Darla says, 'Well, you can rp with somebody without being friendly.'

Darla peers at Pflanzen, looking her up and down.

Pflanzen says, 'yeah. didn't mean you had to take a friendly approach, but just interacting with them first'

Darla nods solemnly.

Pflanzen says, 'like for the serial killer types... looking someone up and down, judging them...'

Pflanzen says, 'that'd get a reaction of SOME type from me'

Pflanzen says, 'it'd be interaction.'

Pflanzen says, 'might go somewhere, might not'

Darla says, 'or rp'ing without even interacting.'

LadyAce nudges her neighbor. 'That's ....that guy from the papers, isn't it? He looks so ... normal.'

Darla moves back into a shadow in the corner, watching you quietly.

Pflanzen says, 'well, by saying "watching you", isn't that interacting?'

Pflanzen says, 'not necessarily directed, but ...'

Pflanzen looks up into the sky and ponders.

Darla says, 'yeah, I forgot how to emoteto but.'

Pflanzen says, 'I always do too.. I never remember to use it'

Pflanzen sighs loudly.

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Pflanzen says, 'I always forget about all the cool moods too.'

LadyAce too.

Darla says, 'You get the point. You can do things with your position and mannerisms to draw people into your rp without really doing something.'

Darla says, 'if people emoted all the things real people do, it would be a very busy world.'

Darla fiddles with a hangnail.

LadyAce says, 'could be kinda funny :)'

Cymo says, 'what i miss? :)'

Pflanzen says to Cymo, 'me running my mouth'

Pflanzen scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

LadyAce giggles.

Cymo says to Pflanzen, 'bout wha?'

Pflanzen says to Cymo, 'we were talking about why people don't notice other people rping and how to get more rp interaction and umm... '

Pflanzen says to Cymo, 'they said they'd log it to the web'

Darla says, 'What we would like to be doing, or what we are doing.'

Pflanzen nods solemnly.

Cymo says, 'i noticed that peoples get shot down if they rp sometimes...or picked on sort of'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'we hafta look out for each other out there, I think'

Cymo says, 'like "your rp sucks" blah blah'

LadyAce says, 'yea, but would people do that if 15 people started chatting 'go away, foul Badmouther!''

Pflanzen says, 'just tell 'em their pk sucks and you'll probably be right?'

Pflanzen ducks to the ground.

LadyAce says, 'social pressure works both ways'

Cymo snickers softly.

Cymo says, 'i also noticed there's a lot more bad guys then good lately'

Pflanzen says, 'yeah. I think part of it is stooping to their level or dropping into OOC to argue about it... more fun to tell 'em off in character for me'

Pflanzen nods her agreement with Cymo.

Pflanzen says, 'yeah.. icky'

Pflanzen says, 'but then evil's always been more fun'

Pflanzen giggles.

LadyAce says, 'I think it can be non-obvious to walk into a non-evil RP'

Cymo says, 'but the knights are growing in members sorta ;)'

LadyAce says, 'what with all the killing that's around'

Cymo says, 'yeah, how do you explain killin peoples if you have a good rp? ;p'

Pflanzen says, 'bah! The evil industrialists must be recycled too!'

Cymo says, 'good as in good vs evil ;)'

Pflanzen says, 'they're against your good ideals!'

Pflanzen says, 'obviously need to be removed from the situation to restore balance'

Cymo says, 'specially if you wanna play with the granny spider ;)'

Pflanzen looks up into the sky and ponders.

Pflanzen says, 'i'd let someoen else do that for me... just request something like that as a donation'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Pflanzen's head.

LadyAce says, 'yea, you hafta find a reason to decide they're bad folks, or that you don't mind killing them on a way to a greater goal. Hard to be a true peace-nik'

Pflanzen says, 'for this char at least'

Darla says, 'I'm no more evil than a wolf, or a hawk. Just a predator.'

Pflanzen nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Cymo says to Darla, 'good point'

Cymo's half asleep as usual, bare with her!

Darla says, 'Have the imms ever considered adding different ways of gaining xp?'

LadyAce says, 'other than quests and exploring?'

Darla nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'like what?'

Darla looks up into the sky and ponders.

Lorenzo says, 'oops. there's xp game, too, though I don't often see people playing it -- or saying they are anyway'

LadyAce says, 'we get maybe hm, one per week'

Darla says, 'Like singing, or growing trees.'

LadyAce says, 'but that takes killing, xpgame does'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Cymo has no clue what the xpgame is!

Cymo scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Lorenzo says, 'oh, right, I'm turned around'

Cipherz points at help xpgame.

Cipherz smiles happily.

Lorenzo chuckles politely.

Pflanzen says, 'and how do you judge those things fairly?'

Cymo gives Cipherz a great big smooch!

Pflanzen gasps at Cymo.

LadyAce says, 'I think that it's probably hard to be objective and advancement-oriented with actions which are outside that paradigm'

Cymo says to Pflanzen, 'i never ever ever got told about it, nor played it'

Pflanzen says, 'like rp xp would be a nightmare...'

Lorenzo says, 'it comes up at q&a sometimes, no? Seems like the same problems persist'

Darla says, 'It's just that people are compelled to kill in order to advance their char, even if we normally wouldn't have an rp reason for slaughtering klein guards.'

Cymo says to Pflanzen, 'actually i only heard bout it like 5 months to a yr ago'

Lorenzo says, 'or maybe not at q&a, maybe somewhere else'

Pflanzen nods her agreement with Cymo.

Pflanzen says to Lorenzo, 'seems like the same as deciding what a "pk win" is'

Cymo says to Darla, 'thats cause they give lots of xp :p'

Cymo says, 'and good money, if you selll their stuffs'

Lorenzo says to Cymo, 'it's also on welcome 8 :)'

Pflanzen says, 'all to fund your cause!'

Darla says, 'right, so since everybody does it, it doesn't define your char at all.'

Pflanzen says, 'nah.. it's HOW you do it.. and what you say before and after that does.'

Pflanzen shrugs philosophically.

Cymo says to Darla, 'nah i make up reasons though i don't really say anything'

Pflanzen says, 'like if everybody shot guards to kill them and that was the approved way... and I succumbed to that... then yeah.. I'd be selling out too'

Darla says, 'Sometimes I do, but mostly I just feel like I'm taking time off of rp to xp.'

Pflanzen says, 'but even if it was harder or just plain not smart to do.. by being stubborn and true to my char, it helps define my char'

Pflanzen says, 'just like stringing gear instead of looking like a mishmash out of the junk shop'

Pflanzen shrugs philosophically.

Pflanzen says, 'you don't HAVE to... but doing so defines you'

Cymo says, 'yea but if you don't say anythign before you slaughter a guard, does it really mean you're breaking rp?'

Pflanzen says to Cymo, 'not necessarily...'

Pflanzen says to Cymo, 'depends on who you're "performing for" too'

Cymo says, 'well then that means nobody, cause more times then not i'm runnin alone :p'

Cymo says, 'but if peoples come in the room i stay ic'

Darla nods her agreement with Cymo.

Pflanzen says, 'if you know why you're doing it.. go for it'

Pflanzen nods her agreement with Cymo.

Pflanzen says, 'like i said.. I think I'm weird. I like performing my role for people off the mob's reactions...'

Cymo says, 'i very rarely break char, unless theres like a bunch of ooc friends sittin in an inn shootin the well ya know'

Pflanzen says, 'like I'll complain about how such and such a mob is helping the industriallists'

Pflanzen nods her agreement with Cymo.

Cymo says to Pflanzen, 'yeah but we already knew you were weird, but we love ya anyway ;)'

Pflanzen says, 'yeah. we're a bad influence on you'

Pflanzen sticks her tongue out at Cymo. =P

Cymo says to Pflanzen, 'yeah you are!'

Pflanzen says, 'but when I'm by myself... I don't analyze every little move for motive... but do keep in mind things that do..'

Pflanzen says, 'speaking for this char any way...'

Cymo says to Pflanzen, 'hush, you only have one char'

Pflanzen says, 'but with my real good align char.. that one tries not to kill anything that's not evil aligned.'

Pflanzen taunts Cymo mercilessly.

Cymo ignores everything, lost in her own little world.

Pflanzen looks up into the sky and ponders.

Pflanzen says, 'I actually have like 5, but only two I get to play'

Cymo says, 'but that's kinda hard'

Pflanzen says, 'yeah. but that's part of the fun *I* get from that char.. the challenge of it'

Pflanzen shrugs philosophically.

Cymo says, 'to kill something that's not evil aligned, if you don't have the nifty aura spell'

Pflanzen says, 'yeah.. well descriptions help alot too..'

Cymo says, 'that'd mean i'd have to think ;)'

Cymo says, 'we can't have that!'

Cymo says, 'i think that's why most of my chars are neutral aligned and i don't go by their align to judge if their rp is good vs evil'

Cymo says, 'well mostly'

Darla says, 'most of my chars are neutral aligned, both in stats and in rp, because I don't believe in good and evil so have a hard time rp'ing it.'

Cymo says, 'before i ditched my dark lord worshiper, he was going to be evil aligned'

Cymo says to Darla, 'you mean you play again?'

Cymo gasps in astonishment.

Darla says, 'I try to log in once a week.'

Darla sticks her tongue out at Cymo. =P

Cymo pointedly ignores Darla. Bit chilly in here, eh what?

Darla giggles.

Cymo's here when she's not sleeping or at work.

Cymo says, 'so how do we get more people to rp?'

Cymo presses LadyAce for some answers.

LadyAce giggles at Cymo.

LadyAce says, 'that's what I'm asking you :)!'

Cymo gives a big, wet, slurpy kiss to LadyAce.

Cymo says, 'i dunno!'

LadyAce says, 'I think we had a few ideas about it earlier, giving people more ways to find out about each other'

Cymo says, 'rp games?'

LadyAce says, 'a lot of it is a human campaign, not anything an event or a code change would help ... people greeting each other, people talking ICly when they meet'

LadyAce says, 'what kindsa RP games? Pflanzen was encouraging market days'ish stuff'

Cymo says, 'but then you get people who take everything as an ooc attack'

Cymo hasn't been able to be here round market daysish stuff.

LadyAce has been thinking about RP-Clan'ish events....

Pflanzen nods her agreement with Cymo.

Pflanzen says to Cymo, 'I only made it to one.. but it was a blast'

Cymo says, 'time is my problem lately and my on char and clan is probably suffering from it lately'

Pflanzen says to Cymo, 'yeah.. we were talking about the Knights should sponsor another tourney... and how other clans could do similar things'

Lorenzo takes one look at himself and gasps in astonishment!

Pflanzen says to LadyAce, 'I think a lot of that would have to be approach the GMs directly tho and ask them what they could get their clans to do'

Darla checks Lorenzo to see if he's naked.

Cymo says to Pflanzen, 'we were thinking about it, but nothing ever came about'

Pflanzen says, 'nod'

Cymo says to Pflanzen, 'mainly cause of ooc reasons with who suggested it'

Cymo says, 'which is totally lame if you ask me'

Pflanzen says, 'yeah. Fields was gonna do soemthign this summer, but no one had time'

Pflanzen nods her agreement with Cymo.

Darla says, 'I was going to do someting with intempesta, but couldn't get an imm to make the zips.'

Pflanzen says to Cymo, 'coven should do something for Samhain!'

Pflanzen says, 'oh wait.. too short notice'

Cymo says, 'riiiiiiiiight'

Darla says, 'there's been a samhain thing.'

Cymo says to Pflanzen, 'talk to malia :p'

Pflanzen says, 'ok NEXT halloween or solstice'

Cymo only has one GM char and doesn't want anymore anytime soon.

Pflanzen giggles at Cymo.

Cymo says, 'its a bloody headache!'

Pflanzen says, 'yeah. I feel guilty I can't do as much as I'dlike.'

Cymo says, 'me too, but my work schedule is weird'

LadyAce says, 'well, I can make zips any time :) most people can make zips.'

Darla says, 'I can't get anybody else to do it.'

Cymo says, 'like this week i'm workin sunday night, and tuesday night - friday night'

Pflanzen says, 'do like how I got it! Archive on 'em'

Darla says to LadyAce, 'There was about two weeks there where I never saw a vis imm.'

Pflanzen says to Cymo, 'eewww'

Cymo says to Pflanzen, 'i know, i'm gonna try and get moved to a diff department so i can work just durin the week at night instead of the weekends, i only get to see denstra like once a month as it is'

Cymo says to Darla, 'i'd like to do stuffs with the nox, i love my smart ass char over there ;)'

Darla giggles.

Darla says to Cymo 'be gm!'

Cymo says, 'oh hell no'

Darla rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Pflanzen says, 'It'd be fun to find a good clan to play off of... like the circles and Templars have going...'

Pflanzen says, 'an anti-nature type thing...'

LadyAce says to Pflanzen, 'there's no 'besmirchers of the natural world' clan'

LadyAce giggles.

Pflanzen nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Darla says, 'well, grendals sorta are...'

Pflanzen says, 'nah.. they're just bored.'

Cymo says, 'what bout a clan who claims to be all vampire slayers :p'

Pflanzen says, 'or even any captains of industry.. tho the mafia might fit that bill'

Darla says, 'what about the syndicate?'

Pflanzen says to Cymo, 'there's only one.. like highlander'

Pflanzen ducks to the ground.

Darla says, 'They are kinda anti nature.'

Pflanzen looks up into the sky and ponders.

Cymo snickers at Pflanzen nastily.

Pflanzen says, 'organized crime? maybe...'

Cymo says to Pflanzen, 'but this is legend, they can be transported through time for whatever reason'

Darla says, 'oh, the poofed anyway.'

Darla says, 'hmm, Warlords maybe?'

Lorenzo giggles at Darla.

Pflanzen says, 'syndicate? nu-uh..'

Pflanzen says, 'their Gm was just on Friday.'

Lorenzo says to Darla, 'nope, not naked. well, not today'

Lorenzo peers at himself myopically.

Cymo says, 'they still pk clan or they get moved back to rp?'

Cymo says, 'syndicate'

Darla says, 'oh I see. They're pk.'

Cymo says, 'yeah lira was just on yesterday'

Pflanzen says, 'I didn't think you could "get moved" that way'

LadyAce thinks it's a one-way trip :)

Cymo says, 'sandman changed it from rp to pk :p'

Pflanzen says, 'yeah.. help rp_to_pk says there's no turning back'

Pflanzen shudders.

Cymo says, 'can't kill the clan and reform it?'

Cymo sticks her tongue out at everyone! =P

Pflanzen says, 'well yeah.. but then you lose your bank acct and houses'

Pflanzen tickles Cymo.

Cymo says, 'not really :p'

Cymo says, 'you'd lose your bank account yeah, but not houses'

Pflanzen says, 'well if you're smart.. yeah'

Cymo smirks.

Pflanzen says, 'silly question, and preaching to the choir, but why do people form clans and then try to get people to join it and figure out what it's gonna be about?'

Pflanzen says, 'have any of those type actually stayed viable?'

Darla says, 'Yeah, there are several 'helper' clans.'

Cymo says, 'cause um they just wanna be gm of a clan?'

Darla says, 'It is a lot easier to get people to join a clan that doesn't have an rp requirement.'

LadyAce says, 'people like to belong'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Cymo says, 'there needs to be more vampires running round legend'

Cymo nods to herself.

Darla says, 'Look at USL. It is often one of the biggest clans, once even had to expand to two clans.'

Darla says, 'Totally. I should get aggressive and bite more.'

Cymo sinks her teeth into Darla's flesh.

Lorenzo says, 'cause nobody has a clan that either will accept their seeks, or that they like with that character, but they want to be clanned and they think that if they mkae a clan someone will do the hard work for them.'

Darla bites playfully at Cymo's neck, then lovingly licks her wounds.

Pflanzen says, 'yeah but just by having that name they're umm.. pretty defined and I don't think they started with mertjai forming it and then looking for 4 more people in 10 ticks'

Pflanzen giggles.

Darla says, 'well, it is nice to be in a clan, if it is friendly and active. You make friends, you have people to help you.'

Cymo says, 'active, hrm'

Pflanzen says, 'oh I'm not disputing that. I just think it's an odd way to go about it'

Cymo says, 'i dunno what that word means :p'

Darla says, 'And I don't mind the inactive or non-rp ones now, when there are plenty of spaces for more clans to form.'

LadyAce pulls a small piece of paper from Lotho out of thin air.

Pflanzen says to Cymo, 'I think she means it's ok to sit and do nothing with your clanmates instead of run around like madmen'

Cymo says to Pflanzen, 'oooooooo okie! i can do that!'

Pflanzen says, 'I'm not complaining about the ones that manage to make it past the ten ticks at all'

Cymo says to LadyAce, 'that's scary'

Pflanzen says, 'I just don't understand why jump the gun before you have the people is all'

Pflanzen shrugs philosophically.

Cymo says, 'look at the avengers, when they first started Roguemoon had people gather in ooc who were interested, but look at em now, sure they might have survived the 10 ticks but'

Cymo says, 'we're pretty much dead atm :p'

Pflanzen says, 'any ideas why?'

Darla says, 'I never did understand what makes some clans live and not others.'

Pflanzen says, 'people are still managing to log in regularly enough to keep it around'

LadyAce says, 'leadership, energy, luck'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Cymo says, 'most of the original members arent even there anymore'

Cymo says, 'lemme double check! brb!'

Pflanzen says, 'I mean I look at my clan as a way to have a regular group of people to RP with and off of'

Xena says, 'outta the origanal members i remember, there's 5 still there'

Pflanzen nods her agreement with Xena.

Pentara says, 'I am interested in starting a druid clan again and a, even willing to be GM, but drumming up enough interest is the hard part.'

Pentara says, 'Getting folks to RP is fun, but it takes a lot of work'

Pflanzen nods her agreement with Pentara.

Darla says, 'We have 3.'

Darla says, 'not of the original 5, but of the people there in the first month.'

Pflanzen looks up into the sky and ponders.

Pflanzen says, 'us, institute and?'

Xena says, '3?'

Pflanzen says, 'Hmm... originals.. at least 3. and one player if not char'

Xena says, 'of what? fields?'

Darla says, 'that doesn't count.'

Pflanzen nods her agreement with Xena.

Xena says, 'the alt doesn't count :p'

Xena says, 'the original alt is in the knights'

Xena sticks her tongue out at Pflanzen. =P

Pflanzen says, 'nope sorry. two.. I thought one other had been one of the original 5'

Pflanzen says to Xena, 'two of the original 5 went back to the knights'

Xena says, 'yeap'

Pflanzen says, 'and one's archived for health reasons.'

Pflanzen sniffs sadly.

Xena says to Pflanzen, 'close to being three, but i wasn't around to get mine out in time ;)'

Darla says, 'see, this is why it looks like a closed circle. People shuttling between the same clans.'

Pflanzen says, 'I'm just happy we're above 5 still'

Pflanzen only has one clanned char.

Pflanzen shrugs philosophically.

Pflanzen says, 'not me.'

Xena says, 'but there was a reason to get outta the other clan at the time and fields was my alts only other logical choice rp wise'

Xena says, 'afk a min'

Pflanzen thinks it made sense for the former knights to go back to the Knights clan.

Pentara says, 'So... does anyone have suggestions for good RP? Or am i too late?'

LadyAce giggles at Pflanzen.

Pentara says, 'My first goal is to get my equipment strung to look more authentic.'

Pentara hugs a torc with white enamel inlay.

LadyAce says, 'I'm getting a little tired, personally, but I bet other folks here are less tired than I am and might have ideas :)'

Pentara says to Darla, 'I haven't got very far yet.'

Pflanzen says to Pentara, 'first thing I always do is sit and come up with soem mannerisms and idiosyncracies for my chars'

Pentara nods her agreement with Pflanzen.

LadyAce says, 'it's a good idea to figure out what you need from others, and what you might provide them'

Darla says to Pentara, 'I think your look at desc needs improvement ;)'

Pflanzen says to Pentara, 'and I try to make either lots of use of them, or make them automatic so I don't have to think about them'

Pentara says to Darla, 'oh yes, that too'

LadyAce says, 'what their 'ins' might be, and what yours might be for them'

Pentara says to Darla, 'I liked the green, though.'

LadyAce says, 'not having anything you need them for, and not wanting to need others is not a good start for interactions :)'

Pentara nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Pflanzen flips through her spellbook.

Pflanzen flips through her spellbook.

Pentara says, 'well, I have to go - it's near all Samhain, after all, and god druids need to be preparing'

LadyAce smiles at Pentara.

Pentara grins evilly.

LadyAce wishes Pentara good luck!

Pentara waves happily.

Darla smiles happily.

Lorenzo giggles at LadyAce.

Lorenzo says, 'I might have missed something on this theme, since I came in late. And I've seen this discussed before, so it's not my idea, least not in principle.'

Lorenzo says, 'but one things I've seen as way to get people started interacting is to devise some kind of "service" and give people cards offering the service. You could get fancy and set up triggers to do this, if you wanted.'

Lorenzo says, 'and there's a nice business card item now for that sort of thing'

LadyAce has created a business card!

Lorenzo giggles.

LadyAce nonchalantly flips a business card.

LadyAce has created a calling card!

LadyAce says, 'there's also the calling card, a lovely throwback to a gentler era :)'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Lorenzo chuckles politely.

Pflanzen says, 'industrial crutches!'

Pflanzen giggles.

LadyAce pats Pflanzen on the head.

Lorenzo says, 'even if people don't notice on first pass, it would leave them something to remember you by, and perhaps inquire after later'

LadyAce says, 'easy to mass produce them with mail'

Lorenzo says, 'assuming it doesn't make them perma'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Lorenzo says, 'mail sack!'

LadyAce says, 'write on them, mail them to yourself n times'

Lorenzo says, 'I always carry one, can reproduce them on demand :)'

Xena sinks her teeth into Darla's flesh.

Darla winks suggestively at Xena.

Xena whistles innocently to herself.

Xena says to Darla, 'what?'

Darla says to Xena, 'Darling warrior woman, if you want to be a vampire so much, you need only ask.'

Xena says to Darla, 'i've done the bacci thing once'

Lorenzo beams delightedly.

Xena needs 45 mil to hit 200 mil.

Xena says to Darla, 'come play in pd with me!'

Xena bats her eyelashes at Darla.

Darla says, 'nah, I gotta go soon.'

Xena ignores everything, lost in her own little world.

Darla says, 'I rarely go on big runs anyway. I'm useless.'

LadyAce should go too, she was supposed to do some errands today

Xena says to Darla, 'yer never useless!'

Darla says, 'I'm a wimpy sniper.'

Darla giggles.

Xena says to LadyAce, 'why do today when you can put it off to tomorrow!'

Xena nods to herself.

Xena says to Darla, 'yeah but you're a cute wimpy sniper'

Xena winks suggestively at Darla.

Darla laughs.

Xena gives Darla a great big smooch!

Darla cuddles Xena.

Xena says to Darla, 'was good to see ya anyway!'

Xena gives Pflanzen a great big smooch!

Xena waves happily.

Pflanzen says, 'anyway. I'm missing out on E.T. DVD that arrived the other day.'

Lorenzo phones home.

Pflanzen says to LadyAce, 'sorry if I was too spammy or opinionated.'

Pflanzen scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Pflanzen smiles at Darla.

LadyAce tickles Pflanzen.

Darla says, 'can never be too opinionated.'

Darla smiles happily.

Pflanzen says, 'next week again?'

Darla says, 'Okie, I'm gonna go too.'

Darla waves happily.

Pflanzen waves happily.

Pflanzen says to LadyAce, 'May the earth mother always smile upon you'

Pflanzen curtseys gracefully.

Pflanzen waves happily.