-Changes to Imm Apps
-Upcoming Changes (MISC, MOb AC)
-Bonding-on-death EQ
-Alignment and EQ
-Alignment and Skills
-Hero/Imm Apps
Changes to Imm Apps
Ikarus says, 'Right, so, what made you guys change your mind and go back to
quarterly or however many months we have to wait imming? Just out of honest
curiosity.'
Sandra says, 'honestly, it was the increase in the number of apps we started to get. We needed some down time in between new imms :) Didn't want to short-change the new ones on getting help they needed'
Sandra says, 'we're still glad to get the apps! Just not so many at once'
Ikarus says, 'You'll have like 84395084309583 in January now.'
Upcoming Changes (MISC, MOb AC)
Wrym says, 'mkay aumi know that there is a terrible imbalance between players
and mobs, and someway a... gear balance issue too, but why did you guys choose
this route to "fix" the problem'
Sandra says, 'well''p"
Sandra says, 'the mob AC fix was me whining and Lorenzo going 'hey lets look at this' because I was getting increasingly frustrated that areas I've worked my ass off designing for a specific group set...'
Sandra says, 'were getting worked over easily'
Sandra says, 'Remember Lucifer's face wtih -224ac? :P that's how the mobs felt against ya'll'
Sandra says, 'as for the eq item type change'
Joaquin says, 'technically mobs were limited to -100 ... with characters going <-200 that seems a little unfair'
Wrym says, 'the mob ac change i don't have a problem with that seemed to be pretty fair'
Sandra says, 'that was actually a coincidence that it was started at the same time. LA brought it up a few months ago, and we sorta slowly moved towards it'
Wrym says, 'i'm talking about eq templating'
Carnegie says, 'You're really blending two things: mob ac was more balance-oriented. The MISC change was a correction to an issue within building.'
Sandra nods her agreement with Carnegie.
Sandra says, 'yea they are really unrelated'
Wrym says, 'i wasn't talking about mob ac at all'
Sandra says, 'we had them in the testmud at the same time so that we wouldn't have to do double work'
Sandra says, 'ok, I'll explain the MISC item type'
Sandra says, 'well, let me step back and explain item types in general first'
Wrym says, 'the rent/ac changes are going to affect.. some of us majorly and that is some of the balance issues'
Sandra says, 'we have somewhere like 15 material types for ARMOR objects.'
Sandra says, 'each type has its own rent base, max AC, susceptabilities, and resistances.'
Sandra says, 'let's look at Leather'
Sandra says, 'It fares very poorly against bite, pierce, stab, sting, chop, claw. Fares poorly against dissolve, flame, slash, slice, swipe. Fares well against shock, lick.'
Sandra says, 'it's max AC for all slots is 12. That means that if a slot allows 25, Leather canhave only 12'
Sandra says, 'it's rent per point of ac is 15'
Sandra says, 'which means, if it has -12 ac, its base rent without stats would be 12 * 15'
Sandra says, 'ok, so that's Leather'
Sandra says, 'Misc's max AC is 20. It's cost per point of ac is 13'
Wrym says, 'more ac for same rent nod'
Sandra says, 'Fares poorly against crush, dissolve, flame, pierce, pound, slash, slice, stab, sting.'
Wrym says, 'when you say... fares poorly... do you mean it has suceptiblities? or are you talking about recieveing gear damage vrs hps damage?'
Sandra says, 'so, Miscs cost vs its problems weren't really equalling out. And it was allowing builders(myself included) to use this material type to get around increasing item damage'
Sandra says, 'its a mix of both, sort of. Item susceptabilities are different than your suscepts'
Lorenzo says, 'it really comes down to: misc as an item type is very problematic'
Lorenzo says, 'so we needed to get rid of those items'
Lorenzo says, 'and changing them to more reasonable item types affected things like ac'
Sandra says, 'since it wasn't really a legit "type", it was actually more buff than any other material type'
Wrym says, 'mkay so then where does how hard an item is to get come intoaccount?'
Sandra says, 'it doesn't at all'
Wrym says, 'thats bull crap'
Wrym says, 'because after your changes there are several items where tere are lvl 5 mobs that have a near equvilant to lvl 50+ mobs'
Sandra raises an eyebrow inquiringly.
Sandra says, 'there's not'
Wrym says, 'snort'
Wrym says, 'katos robes and hell hound pelt'
Sandra says, 'ahh, ok. One set :)'
Wrym says, 'dragon hunter cloak and kanga cloak or red suit jacket'
Sandra says, 'I always forget about those robes'
Sandra says, 'kagna cloak and red suit jacket have been there for years'
Wrym says, 'yeah but dragonskin cloak is... pita to get red suit jacket gets left in his corpse so much...'
Sandra says, 'as for the dragonskin cloak... that's builder choice to add that into the area knowing that there's already others out there'
Wrym sighs loudly.
Lorenzo says, 'sorry, I'm not really familiar with these items. what's the issue?'
Sandra says, 'the dragonskin cloak is MISC'
Lorenzo says, 'we have a lot of items that have the same stat bonuses as another item, where one is easier to get'
Lorenzo says, 'or less rent'
Joaquin says, 'unique cloaks that have -25ac .. which they will probaly not have anymore when changes go in'
Wrym says to Lorenzo, 'items with near equivilant stats that some hare uber hard and other that are easy.'
Lorenzo says, 'yeah, what's the problem?'
Sandra says, 'well, now you can go for the easier one =)'
Ikarus says, 'Maybe we want the one with better AC.'
Ikarus says, 'But can't get it because it's almost impossible.'
Krista nods solemnly.
Sandra says, 'its almost impossible to get the dragonskin cloak?'
Lorenzo says, 'there have always been alternatives in the game. I always thought that was one of the nice things about the game'
Sandra says, 'I can easily downgrade the karate robes so that the pelt is still more desirable'
Wrym says, 'but when you get 2 almost the same items from east mob or hard mob... that poor hard mob is gonna be forgotten about andhes gonna get lonely'
Ikarus nods his agreement with Wrym.
Krista nods her agreement with Wrym.
Sandra says, 'that happens all the time'
Joaquin says, 'you ll still get more xp from the hard mob. i dont think it will be forgotten'
Wrym says, 'there are far easier ways to make the little extra xp'
Sandra says, 'new items come in, old items are tossed away for the new ones. It happens every time we install a new area'
Wrym scuffles her feet around in the dirt.
Wrym nods her agreement with Sandra.
Sandra says, 'this isn't much different :)'
Lorenzo says, 'everything gets shaken up any time we add an area, you see people rewriting eq lists every time'
Wrym nods her agreement with Lorenzo.
Krista says, 'Not me'
Krista says, 'I can't'
Lorenzo says, 'every time nestor puts an area in 60 people ditch all their eq so they can get his insane stuff'
Joaquin says, 'rarely do ... make new char instead'
Krista nods her agreement with Joaquin.
Sandra says, 'I have too many chars already'
Krista nods her agreement with Sandra.
Ikarus says, 'I don't really change my EQ lists around that often. But anyways I lost what I wanted to say in the long talk about misc items.'
Sandra giggles.
Krista says, 'Me too I mean'
Changes to Imm Apps
Sandra says to Ikarus, 'What's your gripes?'
Ikarus says, 'EQ that binds on drop.'
Ikarus says, 'I hate, hate, hate that.'
Sandra says, 'oh, the svart stuff?'
Ikarus says, 'Yeah, especially that.'
Wrym says, '<3 bind on killblow eqz'
Ikarus says, 'What if I want my shooter/druid with no weapon to have that bow? D:<'
Ikarus says, 'It would even his stats out rather prettily.'
Krista sits down and rests on Mertjai's comfortable couch.
Sandra says, 'it was one of the stipulations of allowing so many stat items in a "solo" area'
Sandra says, 'you better get your shooter/druid a weapon for getting it ;)'
Wrym says to Ikarus, 'dual list him make a list to get it and yeah.'
Alignment and EQ
Ikarus says, 'I also have a problem with alignment EQ. How come you have to be
evil to get better EQ most of the time?'
Krista says, 'Yeah that is such a pain'
Sandra says to Ikarus, 'That's actually a good question! Some of us want to do away with alignment.'
Krista says, 'The whole align thing'
Sandra says, 'but its a lot of work'
Ikarus says, 'I would LOVE no more alignment.'
Rachel nods solemnly.
Krista nods solemnly.
Sandra says, 'it would also adjust rent on a shitload of eq :P'
Carnegie says, 'In a non-happy way :P'
Krista says, 'Which we prob don't really need now'
Sandra says, 'there is a rent reduction for align restrictions'
Krista giggles.
Ikarus says, 'Which I understand.'
Briony would love no more alignment too, but can't imagine the work youguys would have to go to in order to change that.
Ikarus says, 'But balance it out some then? Give us some good-only EQ that isn't purely mana based?'
Sandra says, '15% per anti_'
Sandra says, 'will pass that on :)'
Joaquin says, 'at least align makes list-making a little more challenging'
Alignment and Skills
Ire says, 'alignment restricts on skills is bad too, taint, flavor, foul'
Ire says, 'a good alignment should be able to poison a bad alignment with taint'
Carnegie says, 'See, thats the part of alignment I always liked. Guess I'm in the minority'
Ire says, 'as a good thing'
Wrym says, 'i dunt have a problem with alignment'
Ire stares at Wrym, fuming with rage - better stand back!
Sandra giggles.
Ire laughs.
Wrym says, 'cept when i want a certian neutral only item and a certain non neutral item'
Krista giggles.
Joaquin nods his agreement with Wrym.
Sandra says, 'I do like the skill alignment stuff'
Ikarus says, 'I do depending on the character I'm playing. Like, this character? I'd love to be able to foul, but I'm good align due to RP and EQ.'
Ikarus holds his head down and mourns the dead.
Sandra says, 'sometimes the eq alignment and just align in general drive me bonkers tho'
Briony says, 'That's a good point... And certain quests depend a great deal on alignment. I like that part of it.'
Krista says, 'Yes, I do to really when I think about it'
Sandra says, 'I wouldn't be totally surprised if we came up with a way to either do away with, or completely rework alignment at some time. it isn't high on the list right now tho'
Hero/Imm Imm Apps
Ikarus says, 'Why, on hero applications, do we have to put in all our our
previous alts, when we don't on imm ones? I don't remember all the alts I've
deleted.'
Carnegie says, 'You do on imm app, unless I'm poorly remembering'
Sandra nods her agreement with Carnegie.
Lorenzo nods his agreement with Carnegie.
Ikarus says, 'I still don't remember them all.'
Joaquin says, 'dont think i had to add deleted chars on imm app'
Joaquin looks up into the sky and ponders.
Ikarus says, 'I was just looking at it.'
Carnegie says, 'Not remembering every single one isnt the same as trying to keep particular ones secret. Do your best to remember is all.'
Ikarus says, 'And I don't remember seeing anything about 'old' alts.'
Ikarus says, 'Just ones currently in your account.'
Joaquin says, 'not that i would recall any of them'
Ikarus says, 'Or in play. Etc.'
Ikarus says, 'But I'm a slow kid. <_<'
Lorenzo says, 'we ask for people put down all alts. I don't think we specifically say "all ones you deleted" but we mean all alts :)'
Ikarus nods solemnly.
Lorenzo says, 'and nod carnegie'
Sandra says, 'most of the time, we already know who your alts are. We're making sure you're not trying to bullshit us :)'
Ikarus says, 'I was panicking. <_< I thought I had to add all of my alts that I deleted, too, and I was like., "OMG WHAT!? B-but.."'
Sandra giggles.
Wrym says, 'all my alts are in my account ecept that bobyfunnydude hes not my character dunno how he got into my account!'
Wrym nods to herself.
Ire has arrived from the east.
Sandra giggles.
Ikarus snickers softly.
Lorenzo says, 'it's not a big deal if you've forgotten some. But we've had people "forget" alts whose records were a strong argument against them. veeery conveniently.'
Lorenzo says, 'so yeah, do your best, but when you run out, stop :)'
