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Sandra's PKill Discussion

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This workshop took place on April 7th, 2001.

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Sandra says, 'ok, looks like its a small group, so I'll just go ahead and get started =)'

Boreas smiles at Rowane.

Phoenix snickers softly.

Tobias says, 'Oddly small...'

Cirus smiles happily.

Chaykin says, 'well it is a saturday night...'

Sandra says, 'i don't know how many of you were at my clan discussion a few months back, but I like tokeep these sorta an open forum, with little spam(please).'

Kaige says, 'yeah for 65% of the people online being pkok enabled.'

Phoenix says, 'is player kill similar to pk?'

Cirus nods solemnly.

Sandra says, 'I'm gonna start off with some numbers for you all to think about'

Chaykin says, 'Player Kill = PK :)'

P-Bliz winks suggestively at Vampyr.

P-Bliz laughs with amusement.

Sandra says, 'currently, there are 88 characters in pk clans'

Vampyr says, 'and one seeking :P'

Sandra says, 'out of those 88, 1 in 8 have never had a pk battle'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Boreas's head.

Rowane winces.

Sandra says, 'One of those is a GM'

Chaykin is completely boggled.

Yvonne laughs with amusement.

Chaykin says, 'that's crazy'

Cirus says, 'Then come and join me in an RP clan :)'

Rowane says, 'this is a pkclan?'

Phoenix says, 'you have a mortal?'

Sandra nods solemnly.

Phoenix says, 'wonder who it is =P'

Tobias says, 'Its me.'

Sandra says, 'that's pk clans only, yea'

Boreas says, 'I bet Malia's the gm with no battles!'

Tobias nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Sandra giggles at Boreas.

P-Bliz chuckles politely at Sandra's feeble witticism.

Phoenix says, 'malia is sandra?'

Phoenix says, 'no way'

Peach1Guest says, 'hrmms, someone give me theitr zmud registration number so i can participate'

Vampyr says, 'there's only 1 gm with no battles?'

Peach1Guest nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Sandra nods her agreement with Vampyr.

P-Bliz says, 'who?'

Chaykin says, 'I bet I know who it is'

Sandra won't say who.

Kaige says to Vampyr, 'for a pk clan I think that's one too many'

Vampyr says, 'i do know who it is :P'

Tobias says, 'Gotta go for a few.'

Peach1Guest says to Vampyr, 'if you hit 50 already im gonna kill you :P'

Sandra says, 'but shame on that clan for allowing it'

Vampyr says to Peach1Guest, '43'

Vampyr says, 'it's the secretives :P'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Sandra.

Ruby says, 'silly tick timer :P'

Peach1Guest says, 'eww, its ruby'

Phoenix says, 'hey i take and kill folks with merlyn all the time'

Sandra says, 'my question is this'

Craven raises his eyebrow at Sandra.

Kaige says, 'actually it's not secretives, it's not so important who it is, but why'

Sandra says, 'why would you, as members of pk clans, allow such inactivity, especially when it seems like people want MORE pk?'

Vampyr says, 'hehe it's not secretives she says :P'

Cirus shrugs helplessly.

Boreas says, 'I'll say why I for one haven't had a battle'

Sandra nods her agreement with Boreas.

Vampyr says, 'what are we supposed to do? telekenetically tell the inactive ppl who are in clans to log on every once in a while?'

Phoenix says, 'genedals are accept all because they have balls'

Cirus says, 'Good Question'

Craven says, 'maybe'

Cirus looks up into the sky and ponders.

Craven says, 'I don't know how against this as imms you are'

Sandra says to Vampyr, 'if you're in the clan, you do have the power to outcast the person, or complain to the gm?'

Vampyr nods solemnly.

Phoenix says, 'if i dont like the person i could perma them'

Ruby says to Sandra, 'so we outcast untill we don't have enough members to keep the clan?'

Craven says, 'but perhaps we should be "forced" to register our characters by giving a valid email, then, should you go inactive or whatever reason need to contacted...'

Peach1Guest says to Sandra, 'outcast the person tho and you get that much closer to the clan being demolished'

Boreas says, 'well, 1. I'd prefer to use pk only in combination with rp. And I love everybody, and my clan isn't in a war or anything at the moment'

Sandra says, 'if it's the gm, you have the power to vote someone else in'

Peach1Guest nods his agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'this would also help in situations like the ip changing,everyone could be informed'

Craven says, 'raz I know for one didn't know it was changed for a week'

Craven says, 'until he saw me on icq and I told him'

Phoenix says, 'i say we start perma loot multi wars up'

Craven says, 'he thought the mud was just down'

Peach1Guest laughs at Phoenix.

Boreas says, 'and 2. this is my first 3c mage. I'm still learning the things I can do and strategies I can use in mobkill. I'm afraid to take it to pkill as of yet'

Cirus says, 'Why are they even there in the first place if they don't battle'

Cirus is completely boggled.

Peach1Guest says to Phoenix, 'not with PKOK :P'

Sandra says, 'ok, hold on a sec, I had a quick freeze and gotta backscroll'

Chaykin snickers at Phoenix nastily.

Craven giggles at Sandra.

Vampyr says, 'most clans are inactive, and the only reason is to keep the min number of players so it doen't poof :P'

Chaykin says to Phoenix, 'oh yeah, good way to entice more people into it :P'

Phoenix says, 'thats why you multi =P'

Cirus nods his agreement with Vampyr.

Ruby has a radical idea.

Vampyr says to Ruby, 'leats hear it :P'

Chaykin says, 'in case you hadn't noticed, pk is unpopular because people think that stuff already happens :P'

Phoenix says, 'i like to pray on the little surgeons and druids mainly'

Ruby says, 'We as the active pkill players'

P-Bliz smirks at Phoenix.

Ruby says, 'just a sec mom came downstairs crying afk'

Cirus blinks.

Vampyr says, 'uh oh'

P-Bliz shakes his head.

Ruby laughs with amusement.

You do a slow fade as Cirus whines at Phoenix, hoping he won't get to you too.

Ruby says, 'ok nevermind'

Sandra says to Boreas, 'Your clan is in an odd situation. It's low on members, and if you left to practice pk, it would be hurting. But it seems that your gm is to blame for that.'

Vampyr says, 'ruby you going to jail or what?'

Ruby laughs with amusement.

Ruby says, 'nope she hit her head!'

Ruby says, 'she was messing with me'

Tobias laughs with amusement.

Vampyr snickers softly.

Tobias says, 'Heh. Evil mom? ^_~'

Vampyr says, 'thot u beat ur mom and were going to jail ok nevermind :P'

Sandra says to Peach1Guest, 'I would say that if your clan is low on m embers, see what I just said to Boreas ;)'

Ruby says, 'ok now here is my idea.'

Peach1Guest says, 'i [email protected] im on raw telnet! :('

Peach1Guest bursts into tears.

Ruby says, 'Us as the active pkillers'

Sandra says to Craven, 'a register type thing is difficult'

Sandra says to Peach1Guest, 'I would blame the gm, and get a new one'

Boreas says, 'well, I think that recruiting is an effort the entire clan should do.'

Ruby says, 'should just disintagrate all our clans that arn't active'

Yvonne says, 'On the other hand, how would clan members know offhand who in their clans fights or doesn't? I'm usually on at weird times, if I'm lucky there's usually one or maybe two other clanmates on. I honestly have no idea how often people fight'

Tobias says, 'roster long'

Chaykin says to Yvonne, 'roster long'

Boreas says, 'it's partly my fault. I contribute to people not seeing my clan as a serious pk clan'

Peach1Guest says, 'its not the GMs fault that there are no real advantages to joining a PK clan'

P-Bliz says, 'you want to know how you type roster long'

Peach1Guest says, 'only disadvantages'

P-Bliz says, 'tells when people's last fight was'

P-Bliz says, 'when they last logged on'

Yvonne says, 'heh, okay, didn't know about that.'

Vampyr says, 'it's all the GM's fault :P clans should automatically be accepting other clans :P'

Craven was already playing, and has reconnected.

Ruby says, 'Junk all these little pk clans that have little or no activity/rp. Then reform into just a few big clans of all active people'

Vampyr says, 'and since they aren't the GM should accept all other pk clans automatically'

Sandra says to Peach1Guest, 'there are advantages, if you want to pk. Most pk clans accept each other. T hat's an advantage over being rogue.'

Rowane says, 'you should go a step further and code in who killed who, and when they did it'

Chaykin says, 'pk clans are automatically set to aa when they're formed btw'

Vampyr says, 'i know htis'

Ea! says to Rowane, 'That'd eat up a lot of memory.'

Craven grins evilly at Gaidal.. wonder what he's thinking...

Rowane nods his agreement with Ea!.

Boreas says to Ruby, 'I agree, but who's to decide what clans to keep and what to junk?'

Phoenix says, 'wonder if any of my chars are clanned'

Phoenix looks up into the sky and ponders.

Vampyr says, 'but as soon as ppl make clans they reject all'

P-Bliz says, 'I think a new solution needs to be found scrap the old idea=P'

Chaykin says to Rowane, 'plus that doesn't account for deaths by charmies or whatnot'

Craven says, 'theres no continuity, thats what I wish we could bring back'

Craven says, 'who's pk and who isn't changes 17 times a day'

Vampyr nods his agreement with Craven.

Yvonne nods her agreement with Craven.

Peach1Guest nods solemnly.

P-Bliz nods his agreement with Craven.

Phoenix nods his agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'thats the reason asteriks were needed'

P-Bliz laughs with amusement.

Craven says, 'and they shouldn't be needed'

Sandra says to Vampyr, 'not really. Most pk clans are accepting each other, and it's stayed that way for, at least, the past 3 weeks.'

Peach1Guest says, 'its horrible to NEVER know who your alllowed to kill :('

Kaige says, 'not so much with the clan accepts overriding individual ones'

Vampyr shrugs helplessly.

Kaige says, 'know who all is in the other PK clans.'

Boreas says, 'what if more reporting of battles went into the LT?'

Peach1Guest says, 'nobody?'

Sandra says 3 coz that's all the farther she's been tracking.

Phoenix says, 'hrmm afk a second'

P-Bliz says, 'why not seperate AA and pkok's?'

Sandra says to Boreas, 'I'd love for people to send me that stuff again. Everyoen stopped :/'

Craven says, 'I do think pk should have a bigger place in the lt, but I'm not ambitious enough to head it :)'

Peach1Guest says, 'say there are no PK clasns tho :P'

Ruby says, 'I'm just for putting in a permanet AA commant'

Phoenix says, 'i say we just go to total war'

Peach1Guest says, 'and if there are, they are inactive'

P-Bliz says, 'pkok is for people that want to duel'

Sandra says to P-Bliz, 'because we don't want a seperate community'

P-Bliz looks up into the sky and ponders.

Peach1Guest says, 'there needs to be a reason to create and maintain a PK clan rather then a rp clan'

P-Bliz says to Sandra, 'but there's too many loop holes'

Vampyr nods his agreement with P-Bliz.

P-Bliz says to Sandra, 'it isn't working properly'

Peach1Guest says, 'a RP clan has more freedom from stupid PKOK coding'

Rowane says, 'don't you love this system though P-Bliz?'

Craven says, 'there are already seperate communities'

Craven grins evilly at Aisha.. wonder what he's thinking...

P-Bliz says, 'I like the idea but it needs to be improved'

Chaykin says, 'the way I see it, there are two groups of people playing this game that clash pretty dramatically and aren't very likely to get along no matter what you code'

Chaykin shrugs philosophically.

Craven says, 'there are people who abuse pkok'

P-Bliz nods his agreement with Rowane.

Craven says, 'and people who don't'

Boreas says to Sandra, 'I'll do it. You want me to send it to you, or to LT?'

Craven says, 'and people who don't use it at all'

Sandra says, 'the loopholes work because people let them work, and because some people have this inability to swallow pride =P'

Sandra says to Boreas, 'me please'

Vampyr says, 'if i wanted i could create a pk clan, then if the fight i was fighting didn't go right i could disband and not be AA anymore'

Boreas smiles happily.

Vampyr says, 'unless that was fixed :P'

Peach1Guest says, 'well pride is what sparks huge wars'

Rowane says, 'I'm just saying that because it gives you a chance to talk and then reject, its real fun that way for people like that'

Rowane coughs loudly.

Craven says, 'people just don't take pk seriously anymore'

P-Bliz smirks at Rowane.

Craven says, 'because theres nothing serious about it'

Ea! says to Vampyr, 'In fact, it was.'

Craven says, 'its too easy to back out'

Boreas nods her agreement with Craven.

Vampyr says to Ea!, 'thanks btw :P'

Ruby nods his agreement with Craven.

Vampyr says to Ea!, 'dude used that nasty trick on me'

Vampyr grumbles.

Craven says, 'how about something like...'

Vampyr punches Dude in the face - better stand back!

Dude flops about helplessly.

Sandra lags more.

P-Bliz says, 'I think the new things the imms have put in like, not being able to heal someone who was just pkilling'

Craven says, 'to promote activeness'

P-Bliz says, 'and the other little things like that they're perfect'

Cirus comforts Sandra.

Craven says, 'the more your clan is ic and online'

Craven says, 'you get a discount on housing costs'

Craven says, 'and if you have huge periods of inactivity'

Rowane says, 'Craven is right, its easy to just reject someone, its a bit harder with the new code in, but I think you should make it way way longer'

Craven says, 'the price may actually go up'

Craven says, 'since'

Craven says, 'if you think about it'

Sandra says, 'we have some minor changes coming in for pkok'

Rowane says, 'the ticks that is'

Craven says, 'if there are lots of people about using it frequently, its going to be kept up'

Gaidal says, 'What new changes?'

Craven says, 'but if everyone has abandoned it, it'll cost more to fix it back up and keep it up again'

Ruby says to Sandra, 'do we get to know what the changes are?'

Rowane says, 'you can't fish for aa's now I think'

Craven snickers softly.

Craven says, 'of course not :)'

Vampyr says, 'it should take like 5 hours rl to reject someone'

Sandra says, 'I'll let you know what they are, then I want to get back to focusing on pk in general, and not the code =P'

Vampyr says, 'that's approximately 250 ticks'

Rowane nods his agreement with Vampyr.

Kaige says, 'so what's the logic of having it be PK only, cause I'd be for those on all houseing.'

Peach1Guest says to Sandra, 'its the codes fault! :('

Peach1Guest nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Sandra says, 'when you go aa, you'll have a 48 tick timer put on you.'

Craven says to Kaige, 'so would I'

Peach1Guest panics, and attempts to flee.

Yvonne says, 'cool.'

Craven says to Kaige, 'promote activeness in all forms'

Vampyr says, 'or maybe AA should have a longer timer than just accepting another person'

Kaige nods her agreement with Craven.

Kaige says, 'anyway, Sandra has the floor'

Kaige rests.

Ea! says, 'that'll be in a week from friday, barring imm objections.'

Vampyr says, 'AA should setr a 250 tick timer'

Vampyr says, 'instantly'

Craven says to Kaige, 'also promote COMPANSIONSHIP and comaradere, which is also lacking'

Phoenix says, 'i say we kill everyone!'

Sandra says, 'I think the lag is already in? for when you accept/reject somoene'

Craven says, 'most clans are simply groups of strays'

Vampyr nods his agreement with Sandra.

Tobias nods his agreement with Sandra.

P-Bliz says to Craven, 'you done need companionship if you're pkok'

Craven says, 'this isn't only an aa issue...'

Phoenix says, 'when i get lvl 50 im going to go around and kill every single person i can'

P-Bliz says to Craven, 'you can be a 1 man army'

Rowane says, 'those who know or care, i'm not aa any longer because I was basically tired of people accepting me, killing me, then promptly rejecting me, it was getting really tiresome'

Cirus blinks.

Peach1Guest says to P-Bliz, 'its more fun when you have a bond with your clan'

Dude says, 'you guys realize that like 94% of the ppl online atm are here =P'

Vampyr snickers softly.

Sandra says, 'so, yes, we are wiling to work with youall, but you have to remember that its give and take. You all have to give a little too.'

P-Bliz nods his agreement with Peach1Guest.

P-Bliz says, 'whats the use of a clan if you don't need one?'

Craven says, 'as it currently stands I have one character in a clan and only to promote pk in an up and coming rp event'

Craven says, 'I remember a time when you were a freak to be a rogue'

Craven says, 'now your a freak to be in a clan'

Peach1Guest says to P-Bliz, 'well then we need a reason to have a clan :P'

Vampyr says, 'that's an idea tho, going AA would set your timer to 250 ticks, and every time u fight would reset to 250 ticks, but just accepting a single person would be 50, :P'

Chaykin says, 'I have an idea'

Tobias says, 'We need to get people together to organize a clan war.'

P-Bliz says to Peach1Guest, 'exactly'

Sandra says to Chaykin, 'lets hear it'

Tobias says, 'And see if people enjoy it ^_~'

P-Bliz says, 'no it;'s the pkok people not the AA you should be penalizing'

Gaidal says, 'what can we do for you that will help us get what we have all been whining for?'

Craven says to Vampyr, 'it'd be impossible to get out of aa'

Peach1Guest says to Tobias, 'organize one? i think when things are organized they dont necessarily work'

Sandra says to Tobias, 'some people are in the process of that very thing'

P-Bliz says, 'it's the pkok's that use the loopholes not the AA's'

Tobias says to Peach1Guest, 'Its not gonna spring up on its own anymore.'

Chaykin says, 'I've noticed that lots of people who are friends tend to all join the same clan, so you have a few clans that are loaded and a few struggling to get by. What if people joined opposing clans from their friends?'

Vampyr says to Craven, 'exactly'

Craven says to Vampyr, 'I'm VERY rarely attacked, but I guarentee I can't make it 250 ticks'

Craven says, 'ever'

Tobias says to Peach1Guest, 'There's ways of organizing without being too open ^_~'

Peach1Guest says, 'i tried organizing a PK war with ganymede's silly clan, and then they rejected vampyr and i because we were winning :('

Vampyr says to Craven, 'nah'

Chaykin says, 'they'd be sure to be civil to each other and it would make for interesting conflicts'

Phoenix nods his agreement with Craven.

Boreas nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Craven says, 'and for people who are constantly attacked?'

Vampyr says to Craven, 'i've gone for long long long times without getting attacked'

Vampyr snickers softly.

Sandra says to Gaidal, 'work with the system. use it to its fullest, and actually attempt to get what you want with what's there.'

Dude says, 'i thought you "quit" fuego? =P'

Craven says, 'because people FEAR you'

Phoenix says, 'fine 500 ticks then'

Craven says, 'the very people who would actually want out could never GET out'

Vampyr says, 'bull'

Craven says, 'catch 22'

Sandra says to Chaykin, 'You know, that's a good question =P'

Peach1Guest says, 'i did! im just waiting for passver dinner'

Vampyr says, 'your right tho'

Gaidal nods his agreement with Craven.

Vampyr looks up into the sky and ponders.

Peach1Guest says, 'im on telbet! :('

Chaykin sharpens his nails against his shirt in self-congratulations.

P-Bliz says, 'why should pkok only have 50 tick limit?'

Boreas says, 'what Chay said is true for rp clans as well'

P-Bliz says, 'thats wack'

Peach1Guest says, 'ok dinner readym be back in lkike 20 mins :P'

P-Bliz says, 'just means they can accept you and reject you in a day'

Craven says, 'I think'

Sandra says, 'oh, I have one more, rather important addition to pk ok that'll be going in'

Craven says, 'it should be like a 2 week rl timer'

P-Bliz says, 'loophole'

Gaidal raises his eyebrow at Sandra.

Craven says, 'and after 2 weeks, regardless of how much time, its never "reset"'

Vampyr says, 'then that's the problem, the imms designed it so if you were an asshole ppl wouldn't accept u... but it's just the opposite, if ur an asshole ppl jump you constantly :P'

Craven says, 'but you have the option to "unpk" or whatever after the 2 weeks'

Sandra says, 'people won't be able to accept you for 10 ticks after your death'

Phoenix says, 'whats going in for pkok?'

Dude says, 'interesting'

Cirus cheers for Sandra - huzzah!

Gaidal says, 'mob deaths count?'

Ruby says to Sandra, 'and whats the point of that?'

Vampyr says to Sandra, 'that would eliminate multi'ing'

Craven says to Ruby, 'theres a point'

Dude says, 'but ppl can still aa and then fight you?'

Ea! says to Gaidal, 'I think it's only pk ones.'

Gaidal nods his agreement with Ea!.

Gaidal says, 'good'

Craven says to Ruby, 'remember brynne accepting me directly after fighting someone'

Sandra says to Ruby, 'no more dying, then someone walking u pto you, accepting you, then kicking you?'

Cirus says, 'thats a good addition'

Ruby says to Sandra, 'how often does that happen?'

Craven says, 'brynne would only attack me directly after a fight'

Chaykin says, 'it wouldn't eliminate multiing, if you're already accepting the person you killed you can kill them again'

P-Bliz chuckles politely.

Ruby chuckles politely.

Sandra says, 'hm, it happens more often than not'

Chaykin says, 'er, I'm assuming'

P-Bliz says to Craven, 'see the loophole?'

Sandra nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Ea! says, 'They'll still be able to accept all or accept your clan, but at least then you'll be able to have friends beat them up.'

Yvonne says to Vampyr, 'wouldn't eliminate multis, would eliminate guys who get their rocks off by being hyenas.'

Craven says, 'some people are assholes and abuse anything they can find'

P-Bliz says to Craven, 'then she'd reject you the next day?=P'

Vampyr says to Sandra, 'nah it doesn't happen that often'

Craven says, 'she'd hide in the mystic rooms and reject me'

Cirus nods his agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'though the mystic rooms no longer work'

Ea! says, 'And it does mean that yoy won't be able to have a surgeon accept you and then heal you within the first 10 ticks...'

Vampyr nods his agreement with Yvonne.

Sandra's seen it happen a few times this week, by what's yelled on chat.

Vampyr says, 'and it is annoying when it happens'

Ea! says, 'So it's got some downsides.'

P-Bliz says, 'you're making it so it's always 1 on 1'

Craven says, 'another thing'

P-Bliz says, 'never group fights'

Craven says, 'I'm not sure this is possible'

Craven says, 'and its not a huge threat'

Sandra shakes her head in disagreement with P-Bliz.

Craven says, 'but should some asshole ever realize it and exploit it...'

Dude says, 'or aa groups vs. aa groups'

Craven says, 'I've done it on accedent'

Craven says, 'its possible to wall people off'

Cirus says, 'Then the surgeon can go aa to heal the person'

Craven says, 'and they can walk through them'

Craven says, 'then you accept them'

Craven says, 'and they are instantly trapped'

Craven says, 'is it possible to make walls have your accept list like attached to them or something?'

Vampyr nods his agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'at the time of creation?'

P-Bliz says, 'but how many people are gonna go around accepting certain people and playing the loophole?'

P-Bliz says, 'preying on aa's'

Rowane says, 'would be nice if a member of of one clan attacked a member of another clan, automatically everyone in clan A accepted clan B'

Rowane chuckles politely.

Sandra says to P-Bliz, 'I'm n ot sure what you mean'

P-Bliz says, 'who don't have the luxery of rejecting certain people'

Phoenix says, 'i would do that'

Ea! says to Craven, 'If that one starts becoming a problem, I'll take a look into finding ways to fix it, but it's not going to be a clean fix.'

Phoenix says, 'i would use loop holes'

Craven nods his agreement with Ea!.

Craven says to Ea!, 'its so easy to do'

Craven says to Ea!, 'wall of the stag and wait...'

P-Bliz asks Sandra a question.

It sounded like 'don't know what I mean?' to you.

Sandra shakes her head.

Sandra says to P-Bliz, 'I may have missed part of what you said tho. I'm getting lag'

Phoenix says, 'i could just sit at lvl 40 and make walls all over the mud and be caccept all'

Vampyr nods his agreement with Phoenix.

Vampyr says, 'hehe'

P-Bliz says to Sandra, 'basically'

Craven says, 'wait till a group goes to pd'

Craven says, 'then wall them in'

P-Bliz says to Sandra, 'I'm saying that people can go around and accept certain people like AA's for example'

Phoenix nods his agreement with Craven.

Vampyr says, 'how can u wall in pd? the only way out is recall'

Phoenix says, 'ill do it'

Vampyr says, 'wall them out of the recall room?'

Craven says, 'sure'

Craven says, 'or wall them into tortuga'

Phoenix says, 'i put bandages that have major illusion hunt trails on them in pd'

Vampyr says, 'they usually have a recaller anyway to detect illusion'

P-Bliz says to Sandra, 'kill the aa person and then reject them, thats a loophole, where as the AA doesn't have te luxery to reject anyone'

P-Bliz says to Sandra, 'just doesn't seem fair'

Craven says to Vampyr, 'how is that not pk interference?'

Craven shrugs in response to Vampyr's words.

Phoenix says, 'so people autohunt into pirates =P'

Vampyr shrugs helplessly.

Craven says to Vampyr, 'pkok has blured the term "pk interference" so much I'm not sure it exists'

Kaige says, 'talk ea accept all can still type accept and and reject indivudals, correct?'

Sandra says to P-Bliz, 'actually, the aa person can reject people and still be basically 'aa'.'

Ruby says to Craven, 'btw soon as I clear it with the Law I'm gonna move in with you'

Vampyr says, 'well pkok was supposed to eliminate interference'

Ea! nods his agreement with Kaige.

Kaige nods solemnly.

Vampyr says, 'but it still has too many bugs'

Craven says, 'pkok does NOT eliminate interference'

P-Bliz says, 'so if I'm aa I can reject certain people?'

Vampyr says, 'i know :P'

Vampyr says, 'and it was supposed to'

Sandra nods her agreement with P-Bliz.

P-Bliz gasps in astonishment.

P-Bliz says, 'what the'

Kaige nods her agreement with P-Bliz.

Craven says, 'actually'

Craven says, 'if your aa'

Craven says, 'and you reject craven'

Ea! says, 'If someone is abusing pkill and is acting in ways you consider anti-social and unfair, reject them.'

Craven says, 'you still even have a star on your name if I type whos'

P-Bliz says, 'hmm'

Sandra nods her agreement with Craven.

Phoenix nods his agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'which is dumb'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Vampyr nods his agreement with Craven.

Phoenix says, 'i hate that'

Phoenix says, 'cuz your not really accept all'

Vampyr says to Craven, 'ronja was accept all, but her clan was rejecting grendels and i couldn't attack i was like wtf? :P'

Ea! says, 'Of course, pkill clans don't necessarily have the same luxury, but they should talk to their GMs when people do that.'

Ruby says, 'give us a Chaos pkill command just like oldschool pk! One char per person Always accept all other chaos pkillers not matter lvl!'

Sandra says, 'I sorta look at the star as an 'its ok to jump me' thing, not just that they're accepting every person'

Phoenix says, 'ohh best is this'

Kaige says to Ea!, 'and write them up on the war board and ecourage others to reject them as well.'

Ea! says to Ruby, 'not going to happen.'

Ruby hangs his head.

Craven says, 'it goes back to this harassment thing'

Phoenix says, 'zeirath kill pwang and stold his old sss'

Craven says, 'I feel more harassment in this system then ever in the old one'

Craven says, 'but hey :)'

Phoenix says, 'then ditched his clan and was reject all'

Gaidal says, 'Pkok makes it a little hard to be in my clan'

P-Bliz nods his agreement with Craven.

Ea! says to Craven, 'Have you rejected those people who harassed you?'

Sandra says to Phoenix, 'yea, that bug is fixed'

Craven says to Ea!, 'so they can make alts and do it more?'

Phoenix says, 'bah that was cool though'

Craven says to Ea!, 'or ask their friends to do it?'

Vampyr says, 'yea the harrassment isn't from me rejecting hte ppl it's from the ppl rejecting me and taunting me about it'

P-Bliz says, 'I don't like the fact that people try to manipulate everyone into being against certain clans'

Craven says to Ea!, 'you should know'

P-Bliz says to Sandra, 'I think it's a big problem these days'

Gaidal says, 'how do i kill people for money if they can just reject me or someone can buy a contract and then reject all so im doing a non enabled chars killing for them'

Phoenix says, 'i like the 1 pkiller a person rule'

Craven says to Ea!, 'If I want to harass you, I *WILL* find a way to do it'

Ea! says to Craven, 'Reject their alts. If they continuously do it, talk to the admins.'

Cirus comforts Craven.

Craven says to Ea!, 'reject is not nearly the perfect fix you seem to think'

P-Bliz says, 'yah 1 per person is good'

Craven says, 'I don't talk to admins'

Chaykin says to Ea!, 'the issue is, you don't know who is going to harass you until it's already been done, your item has been looted and you can't get it back, or whatever'

P-Bliz nods his agreement with Phoenix.

Craven says, 'and'

Sandra says to P-Bliz, 'I think that clans, and people in general, need to prove their worth, and not a utomatically assume that they have it ;)'

Craven says, 'unlike some cry babies these days, I tend to deal with my own problems unless its something blatently out of line'

Vampyr says, 'zandy is an asshole'

Vampyr says, 'i'll never talk to zandy'

Ea! says to Craven, 'Well, it's hard to complain about harassment if you won't talk to the people who's job it is to deal with them.'

Craven says, 'me either'

P-Bliz asks Sandra a question.

It sounded like 'have what?' to you.

Sandra says, 'ok, no slamming immorts here please'

Craven says, 'well ea'

Craven says, 'that means admins hould have been dealing with it in the first place'

Vampyr says, 'all the imms herea re cool and fair'

Vampyr shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'finally, an admission'

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'that's why I'm saying use the war baord to talk to the rest of the pk community and READ it yourself so you know who problem people are'

Sandra says to P-Bliz, 'their worth'

P-Bliz nods solemnly.

Phoenix says, 'ill never talk to that sandra, ohh is she a nasty one, always picking on me , *eyeroll*'

P-Bliz says to Sandra, 'still though it's slander'

Gaidal says, 'All i hear about is pk harassment... who here has been harassed and what happened? I am curious to see what this huge problem is'

P-Bliz says to Sandra, 'I don't think that has a place here'

Craven says to Gaidal, 'tihnk "thething"'

P-Bliz says to Sandra, 'and I didn't think any of you thought so either'

Craven says to Gaidal, 'he would have said I was "harassing" him because I killed him twice a week'

Sandra doesn't think its slander.

Phoenix says, 'well afk a second'

Vampyr says, 'yea i remember when thething joined this big ol group of pkillers and started multi'ing me :P'

Cirus take Zandy out of Tobias's IMM box, gives him a hug and places him back into the box.

Kurik tips his hat gallantly.

Craven cackles gleefully at Kurik - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Sandra says, 'i think its more a 'prove yourself' sort of thing'

P-Bliz says to Sandra, 'of course everything I think you think the exact opposite'

Tobias giggles at Cirus.

Kurik grins evilly at Craven.. wonder what he's thinking...

P-Bliz shrugs helplessly.

Gaidal says, 'noone here has been harassed?'

Craven says to Sandra, 'not the way to convince them'

Sandra says, 'well I like to givethe benefit of the doubt when I can ;)'

Vampyr says to Gaidal, 'i have :P'

Craven says, 'bah'

P-Bliz chuckles politely.

Craven says, 'the lady sandra has p for a keyword?'

Ruby says, 'I harassed Gaidal's sister but she isn't here so it don't count'

Rowane says, 'everyone has been harrassed I would bet'

Gaidal says, 'what happened to you?'

Sandra says, 'anyway'

Craven peers around the room intently.

Gaidal says, 'I've never been'

Sandra says to Craven, 'yea, pam as a k w'

Vampyr says, 'hehe medmen made fun of me'

Ea! says, 'I suspect if someone complains to admins about pk harassment, the first question is going to be whether you've rejected them. If you haven't, that's the first step.'

Craven says, 'riiiight...'

Vampyr says, 'then multi'd me'

Boreas says, 'I haven't'

Vampyr says, 'then stoled my stuff and invis'd my corpse'

Craven pets Sandra lovingly.

Vampyr says, 'and started swearing at me :P'

Craven says, 'thats funny'

Ea! says, 'If you have, and they continue to do it, the admins will look into it.'

Vampyr says, 'not medmen, but medicineman'

Gaidal says, 'ok there is one he started swearing at you'

Sandra says to Craven, 'we all have our rl names as keywords'

Craven says, 'hm'

Vampyr says, 'but this was what, 3 years ago? :P'

Craven says, 'I don't :P'

Vampyr says, '4 years ago?'

Gaidal says, 'so you gag him'

Sandra says, 'well, immorts'

Sandra giggles.

Ruby says, 'pkill just doesn't have the zip and zang it used to when you couldn't trans out of your clan hall without getting attacked'

Chaykin says to Ea!, 'but then there's no way to establish a pattern with one player until a lot of damage has been done'

P-Bliz says, 'it's to easy to just reject someone'

Sandra says, 'ok, lemme refocus this a little bit back into the general pk arena'

Craven says, 'I for one don't believe pkok "killed" pk'

Craven says, 'but I don't think it did it much good either'

P-Bliz says, 'takes away the whole idea'

Ea! says to Chaykin, 'I'm not sure it takes a lot before the admins will start looking at it.'

P-Bliz says, 'mentality'

Craven says, 'pk being my definintion, possibly not yours'

Sandra says, 'someone raise their hand, and give me an idea of how to improve pk, within the community, no imm intervention'

Chaykin says to Ea!, 'eh'

Craven says, 'pk was on the slide downhill before pkok'

Chaykin shrugs philosophically.

Sandra points at Tobias.

Craven says, 'pkok just hasn't exactly given it a boost...'

Tobias says, 'Get testimonials from bum PK'ers like me that it isn't so bad.'

Vampyr grumbles.

P-Bliz says, 'clans have to be down to do things'

Sandra says, 'good one'

Sandra points at Ruby.

P-Bliz says, 'so far no clans have been willing to really do much'

Vampyr says, 'the only aspect of pkok that made it bad, was putting the power in the players hands'

Ruby says, 'I feel the only way some of us can get that action going is to just plain be a dick to everyone'

Craven says to Tobias, 'noone is saying "everone" wants it changed'

Craven says to Tobias, 'but the more die hard ones tend to :)'

Tobias says to Craven, 'Hm?'

Craven says to Tobias, 'you my friend, fall under the noone will jump you category, therefore your not hardcore :)'

Sandra says to Ruby, 'why?'

Tobias says, 'I didn't say I was?'

Ruby says, 'something that Arsene or Landy or whoever would do. Get people mad at us and attack us all out'

Kurik smiles at Vampyr.

Tobias says, 'I said bum pk'ers.'

Tobias says, 'People who are bums. And PK.'

Tobias giggles.

Sandra says to Ruby, 'oh, so we need some bad guys'

Sandra nods solemnly.

Kurik yawns.

Craven says, 'we have bad guys'

P-Bliz says, 'no we need good guys'

Ruby says, 'not bad guys as in Ruby or Dusk bad'

Craven says, 'its just the good guys can't FIGHT the bad guys'

Vampyr nods his agreement with P-Bliz.

Craven says, 'because the bad guys reject the good guys'

P-Bliz says, 'exactly craven'

Gaidal nods his agreement with Craven.

P-Bliz says, 'it's always been that way'

Chaykin says, 'because all of the skilled pkers tend to be bad guys :P'

Vampyr says, 'the good guys reject the bad guys you mean'

Craven says, 'so the good guys stand there going...huh'

Sandra says, 'so maybe we need better good guys? ;)'

Vampyr says, 'ie EVERYONE rejecting grendels'

Tobias says, 'Hey, I'm an alright good guy ^_~'

Kurik says, 'not me'

P-Bliz says, 'I fight grendels'

Kurik says, 'or any of my alts'

Sandra points at Rowane.

Vampyr says, 'all the pk clans anyway'

Cirus laughs at Tobias.

Gaidal says, 'the same people who were acting like asses back then are acting like asses now but today they can just reject anyone who might try and stop them'

Craven says, 'the grendels have this odd "aura' about them, people consider them to be pillaging raping bastards taht will eat your children if you accept them'

P-Bliz says, 'I was AA before I dt'd'

Ruby says, 'what we need to two factions willing to war eachother to the death with whinning and rejecting'

Craven says, 'even though its not tru'

Rowane says, 'was said already, but clan wars that actually happen would be nice, though they have never proved to work recently'

Phoenix says, 'i say we go back to the old pk system'

Craven snickers at Phoenix nastily.

Cirus says, 'Nice....Tobias???'

Chaykin snickers at Phoenix nastily.

Phoenix says, 'what?'

Cirus laughs with amusement.

P-Bliz nods his agreement with Phoenix.

Vampyr says, 'hehe'

Craven says, 'another thing is old gear, to a degree, peoiple don't want to jeopordize it'

Sandra says to Phoenix, 'well, this isn't a multiple choice thing ;P'

Vampyr says, 'pkok was made to be yanked :P'

Chaykin says to Phoenix, 'they've only said 20 times that will never happen :P'

Vampyr says, 'if it didn't work out'

Vampyr says, 'u told me that urself sandra :P'

Sandra says, 'ok, lemme end this debate ;)'

Sandra says, 'its pkok or no pk'

Craven says, 'pkok is here for good'

Craven says, 'we know this'

P-Bliz says to Sandra, 'actually thats a point I've overlooked, old pk worked 5 6 years ago so well cause people could replace any equipment they had'

Vampyr nods solemnly.

Craven says, 'some people are just idiots :P'

Kurik says, 'AA thing has to be changed'

P-Bliz says to Sandra, 'right?'

Sandra says, 'just reminding everyone ;)'

Gaidal says, 'but you never said would couldnt modify it :)'

Vampyr says, 'i say we take out safe rooms entirely'

Sandra points at Chaykin.

Gaidal says, 'err we'

Vampyr says, 'that would make clans necessary :P'

Vampyr says, 'or houses'

Ruby nods his agreement with Vampyr.

Vampyr says, 'hehe'

P-Bliz says to Sandra, 'nowadays things have been taken out and changed and people don't ewant to chance loosing that stuff'

Ruby says, 'I agree with Vampy'

P-Bliz says to Sandra, 'I think I'm on to something=P'

Boreas says, 'I thought old pk worked 5-6 years ago because the people around then were more mature'

Craven says, 'I agree with that boreas'

Rowane nods his agreement with Boreas.

Sandra will agree with Boreas on that one.

Craven says, 'people now are too worried about winning losing, dying living'

Yvonne nods solemnly.

Chaykin says, 'well like I said before, I think instead of like one whole big group being in the grendels and stuffing that clan full, why not some of them be in grendels and some in like knights or whatever, then fight each other?'

Gaidal nods his agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'its just a game'

Craven says, 'ealier some people were whining cuz someone ran away because he was losing'

Chaykin says, 'they are friends so we know they won't be jerks too badly with each other'

Craven says, 'first of all let the loser run, and he shouldn't BE running, just die and be proud of it'

Sandra says, 'and I agree with Chay about his point as well'

Chaykin says, 'just spread things out more'

Kurik says to Craven, 'i was afraid before, i'm not now'

Kurik throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Sandra says, 'let me tell you all a f unny story'

Gaidal says, 'And i know im off topic but someone mentioned old gear.... why cant we just yank it all out?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Sandra.

Phoenix says, 'hey i die alot =P'

Craven cheers for Gaidal - huzzah!

Phoenix says, 'im proud of it'

Vampyr cheers for Sandra - huzzah!

Sandra says, 'I was sitting in my little beach house one day'

Vampyr says, 'a sandra story'

Phoenix says, 'least i try =P'

Cirus nods solemnly.

Craven says, 'yank old gear and make the system revolve around new gear instead of somewhere in the middle of old and new'

Sandra says, 'and as usual, I have all my channels on, so clan channels is included in that'

P-Bliz says to Craven, 'yes'

Yvonne says, 'Downside is that friends don't usually have the right...er...zest to get really good fights going ;)'

Sandra says, 'I see this clan having a discussion. No I won't mention who'

Sandra says, 'there were 8 members on at the time'

Chaykin says to Yvonne, 'nah, not true'

Vampyr says, 'who? :P'

P-Bliz says, 'IRA=P'

Phoenix says, 'yeh right'

Sandra says, 'each one compl aining that there was no one to fight'

P-Bliz says, 'IRA'

Rowane says, 'well that rules out the Hermetics'

Rowane snickers softly.

P-Bliz tickles Sandra.

Craven says to Chaykin, 'different strokes for different folks. Some people like the excitement danger you just don't get in duels with friends'

Yvonne nods her agreement with Craven.

Phoenix says, 'so your saying if craven and ruby faught that wouldnt try to kill each other?'

Kurik says, 'best is to be rogue, more targets'

Sandra says, 'but not one of them thought, 'hey, we could fight each other' or 'hey, why don't we split the clan up and that way we WOULD have someone to fight''

Sandra says, 'instead, they sat and complained that pk sucked'

Craven says, 'probably because they were so happy a clanmate was on'

Chaykin says to Craven, 'so don't make them duels. you can have a war with friends, it's called pretending'

Gaidal says to Kurik, 'i disagree'

Vampyr nods his agreement with Craven.

Sandra says, 'because it was easier to complain than to think of ways to fix it'

Rowane says, 'craven, thats kinda off, your friends are some of the top pkillers, the best of what we have, you don't find any challenge in fighting them?'

Vampyr says, 'hehe'

Vampyr says to Sandra, 'i'll say it again'

P-Bliz says to Sandra, 'pff'

Craven says, 'I hate fighting my friends'

Phoenix says, 'i suggested a war area where you pk and if you die you dont loose xp'

Vampyr says to Sandra, 'the biggest mistake was putting the power in the players hands'

Craven says, 'it has nothing to do with skill'

Sandra says to Craven, 'Hey, I've warred against my friends alot =P'

Craven says, 'we bicker about it'

Craven says, 'and its not worth it'

Ruby bickers at Craven.

Chaykin says to Craven, 'bah, that's so petty, no reason to bicker'

P-Bliz says to Sandra, 'yah lets abandon our clan and kill ourselves!'

Craven says, 'it'll be something stupid'

P-Bliz chuckles politely at Sandra's feeble witticism.

Craven says, 'go read the board, gareth posting about how mandarb is invincible'

Kaige says, 'a good way to get a bunch of friends to "really" fight is to pick something silly to fight "OVER" and whoever loses has to do soemthing dumb like go around with [I'M A DOOFUS] in their title for a week'

Craven says, 'shit like that'

Sandra says to Vampyr, 'but some players WANT to fix things, why can they not take up the reigns and run with it?'

Ruby says, 'yeh like today Craven bickered at me cuz I killed some people :P'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Craven says, 'barabas constantly talking about how much "better" I am then him'

Chaykin giggles at Kaige.

Phoenix says, 'so if i take and perma a bunch of people what would happend to me?'

Vampyr says to Sandra, 'because we're lazy :P'

P-Bliz says to Phoenix, 'you'd get rejected by everyone'

Chaykin says, 'well "we're lazy" isn't gonna make pk better :P'

Craven says, 'its much more "fun" to kill people who won't judge me by comparing me to themselves and compare and contrast because they think I'm their frienda nd "good"'

Kaige says, 'like pick a room on the ud and play king of the hill... see who can defend it longest'

Sandra says to P-Bliz, 'Split your clan in half, be friends, yet the type that sorta love to hate. It opens alot of avenues really'

Craven says, 'I don't consider that pk kaige :)'

Kaige says, 'it'll also help hone your pkill skills instead of sitting around polishing your boredom ones'

Craven says, 'pk has to have some realisim to it'

Ruby says to Kaige, 'and how does a sniper do this?'

Craven says, 'some spontanious element its missing now'

Craven says, 'some.....I don't know'

Phoenix says, 'we should all be accepting each other'

P-Bliz says, 'thats not pk exactly craven thats dueling'

Kaige says to Craven, 'yeah, but just think if peopel see you DOING stuff... they may jump in'

Kaige says, 'mayeb literally JUMP you'

Gaidal snickers softly.

Craven says, 'I get jumped'

Craven says, 'its just rare'

Vampyr says, 'with vampyr i had about 20 of my friends who wouldn't fight me because my char was well built'

Kurik cackles gleefully at Craven - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Vampyr says, 'with last vampyr that is'

Phoenix says, 'i mean in real life if i see craven and was like YO PUNK YOUR GONNA DIE CUZ YOU GOT THE WRONG COLORS ON! i would attack him'

Sandra says, 'i never get jumped =('

Vampyr says to Sandra, 'me either'

Craven says to Sandra, 'your always ooc or in a hall'

Sandra says, 'I sit afk in the stag and I never get jumped =P'

Craven says to Sandra, 'and your not aa'

P-Bliz says, 'anyways the old system worked way back in the day because everyone followed the UNWRITTEN RULES'

Chaykin says, 'I can't possibly see how it's not even worth trying having your friends opposing you, and leaving it the way it is now :P'

Kurik says, 'i jump a lot, i jumped a lot too'

Vampyr says to Sandra, 'yea go AA :P'

Kaige says, 'all of it is ONLY dueling to a different degreee unless you're trying to drive someone off the mud and I think that is so fucking lame'

Gaidal says, 'if i saw you there i would attack'

Gaidal smiles happily.

Craven says, 'therefore rogues are left out of the mix'

Sandra says to Craven, 'bah, I was in thestag for an hour today and no one even jumped me :/'

Vampyr says to Sandra, 'i'll jump ya'

Phoenix says, 'or was like ohh vampyr beat me in basketball ill pop him in the face'

Cirus says, 'I get jumped all the time for some reason they see surgoen and they think kill'

Cirus sighs loudly.

Sandra says, 'Malia accepts all pk clans, and a f ewother people'

Craven says, 'I don't have one character that CAN attack you sandra'

Sandra says, 'just ask her and she'll probably accept you'

Craven says, 'and I have LOTS of characters that pk'

Craven says, 'I shouldn't have to ask'

Craven says, 'thats the point'

Chaykin says, 'if you guys want to know the truth about why not many people pk'

P-Bliz nods his agreement with Craven.

Gaidal says, 'finally someone i can fight as a merc'

Sandra says, 'craven can attack me!'

Craven says, 'if your pk, you should be pk, end point'

Gaidal cheers for himself since no one else has.

P-Bliz says to Craven, 'can I attack you?'

Craven says, 'this I'm half ass pk sucks'

P-Bliz shakes his head.

Phoenix says, 'so if i take and accept malia and multi the hell out of her its ok"?'

Mint1Guest says, 'ooh, mint is a color?'

P-Bliz says, 'she'd reject you phoenix'

Sandra says to Phoenix, 'wel, you gotta kill her first'

Gaidal says, 'now if someone would just hire me to kill malia i could accept a contract for once'

Chaykin says, 'with practice and work, it's possible to get very, very good at pk. and most players just don't want to put in that kind of effort because they see no advantage'

Craven says, '2 years ago malia'

Sandra giggles at Gaidal.

Chaykin says, 'so they try it, and lose a lot'

Craven says, 'I could have walked in the inn and typed backstab malia'

Chaykin says, 'and then stop'

Phoenix says, 'if i killed her and did that and was only acceptin gher who would help her? no one'

Ruby says, 'I'll pay 20k for someone to kill Malia!'

Mint1Guest says, 'oooh ooh me!'

Gaidal says, '50k i charge 1k per level of the victim'

Craven says, 'if it went through, I would be almost GUARNETEED that for the next month to 6 months I would be able to attack you'

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'yeah, but then they bitch all the legends are gone because they're too lazy to maybe be one'

P-Bliz says, 'she'd reject you though'

Vampyr says, 'the only time i was ever hired to kill someone they wfw'd me 4 times in a row and killed me :P'

Sandra says to Craven, 'Craven still can. i've been accepting you for ages'

Craven says, 'I could perform that test once a day for 4 weeks and get different results EVERY DAY!'

P-Bliz says, 'if she thought you were trying to multi or perma she'd probably log off'

Vampyr brutally slays the lagmonster.

Sandra lags more.

Vampyr says, 'anyway'

Vampyr says, 'the only time i was ever hired to kill someone they wfw'd me 4 times in a row and killed me :P'

Craven says, 'mud lagsay'

Chaykin says to Kaige, 'back when many of those legends were around, pk didn't involve as much skill as it does today'

P-Bliz says, 'wrong chaykin'

Craven says, 'pk isn't so much skill I don't think'

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'I'd love to have a couple of them hear you say that'

Kaige chuckles politely.

Vampyr says, 'i think chaykin is right actually'

Sandra says, 'whee that was fun'

Ea! says, 'Maybe part of the problem is that people play too many characters.'

Craven says, 'things hven't changed that much'

P-Bliz says, 'you're trippin out chaykin'

P-Bliz says, 'ever play here 5 6 years ago?'

Ruby says to Ea!, 'good point'

Vampyr says, 'toke never won with that char, when i was at his house i won 4 fights in a row against ppl higher lvl than me, using his char'

Chaykin says to P-Bliz, 'yeah...did you? :P'

Sandra says, 'erm, Chay's been here a long tiime'

Azure1Guest says to Ea!, 'if we didnt play so many characters then there would be that much less PK'

Craven says, 'everyone still spams headbutt, still hopes for that lucky stun....shrug'

P-Bliz says to Chaykin, 'yes'

P-Bliz says to Chaykin, 'I was there'

Gaidal says, 'I dont think skill wins most fights myself'

P-Bliz says to Chaykin, 'so was Sandra'

Ea! says, 'Because I think that most clans, if you look at the players at prime times, probably like 70% of the players in the clan are on, but only one or two are playing the one in the clan.'

Vampyr says to Gaidal, 'i do :P'

Chaykin says to P-Bliz, 'I know that :)'

Ruby says to Ea!, 'Why do people play so many chars? cuz they can pk with all of them now. not just one'

P-Bliz grins evilly at Chaykin.. wonder what he's thinking...

Boreas nods her agreement with Ea!.

Craven says, 'but'

Gaidal says, 'i kill people who are far better than me and people who have no skill whatsoever kill me'

Craven says, 'I pk with so many characters because one gets incredibly boring'

Vampyr says to Gaidal, 'if u don't know how to pk u aren't going to win :P u neend to know the basics dude'

Yvonne says, 'heh, if skill doesn't matter, then why do I suck so badly? :p'

Craven says, 'and people tend to have favorites'

Gaidal says, 'so i cant say that its even mostly skill'

Kaige says, 'so there should be no shortage of people to fight with that logic, Ruby.'

Azure1Guest says, 'i like that you can PK with more then one character because of what craven just said, hes just a faster typer'

Sandra giggles.

Craven says, 'look at sandra'

Phoenix was already playing, and has reconnected.

Craven says, 'sandra has a few pkillers'

Craven says, 'but she plays one almost exclusivly'

Rowane says, 'if its not skill then what is it?'

Sandra nods solemnly.

P-Bliz says, 'not skill?'

Phoenix says, 'ok so if me craven ruby gaidal and p-bliz walk in and wolfpack malia and just start multing her what is she gonna do?'

Craven says, 'I constantly play mandarb'

Craven says, 'I rarely play anyone else'

Phoenix says, 'and we are ONLY accepting her'

Rowane says, 'is it the totally the character?'

Sandra says to Phoenix, 'I guess she'd die?'

Tobias says, 'Get me to recall you a lot.'

Phoenix says, 'anyone helps her thats pk interfernce'

Gaidal says, 'its comes down to skill... yeah its involved... LUCK is a big one and character is in there too'

Craven says, 'luck is pk'

Craven says, 'more so then 6 years ago'

P-Bliz says, 'how fast you can type?'

Azure1Guest says, 'if they are accept all they cant be intergerence'

P-Bliz chuckles politely.

Craven says, 'because 6 years ago fights were twice as long'

Gaidal says, 'me?'

Vampyr says, 'character is a minor part, except when its conflicting char types'

Craven says, 'which gives luck more time to even out'

Phoenix nods his agreement with Craven.

Kurik says, 'we have to do something about AA. Timer for reject is low'

Chaykin says, 'if luck were pk, the same people wouldn't win time and time again'

Rowane says, 'so its just strange that certain characters always have luck?'

Craven says, 'its like the flip a coin test'

Gaidal nods his agreement with Vampyr.

Craven says, 'flip it 10 times, it won't be that even more likely'

Craven says, 'flip it 100....its going to be a lot more even odds'

Kaige nods her agreement with Azure1Guest.

Gaidal says, 'no'

Craven says, 'the fewer rounds, the more luck based it is'

Phoenix nods his agreement with Craven.

Kurik shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'with wfw's and para backstabs taking 50% hp these days...'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Phoenix says, 'and a question'

Rowane says, 'so the lesson is everyone go con :P'

Vampyr nods his agreement with Rowane.

Azure1Guest laughs with amusement.

Vampyr says, 'or augmenter'

Azure1Guest nods solemnly.

Rowane grumbles.

Azure1Guest says, 'con augmentor! :('

Vampyr says, 'or both in 1 :P'

Azure1Guest says, ':P'

Craven says, 'fighting augmenters is fun in some senses'

Kurik says, 'i'm going to be no con, no augmentor'

Craven says, 'because the fights last SO LONG'

Kurik throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Craven says, 'its so much more fun'

Sandra says, 'well, call me a stickler, but the wfw doesn't do the damage, it's the immolate that follows =P'

Phoenix says, 'how can someone really smack you 15 times with a rattle real quick?'

Azure1Guest says, 'i made one of those'

Craven says, 'lanfear did 250 damage in 3 rounds and an immolate'

Craven says, 'the wfw does just fine damage'

Vampyr nods his agreement with Sandra.

Gaidal says, 'not against poetry and mandarb'

Vampyr says to Sandra, 'the para backstabs are nasty tho'

Gaidal says, 'they rip me to shreds on wfw stuns'

Sandra nods her agreement with Vampyr.

Phoenix says, 'ok what about this'

Craven says, 'and sandra'

Gaidal says, 'who needs to immolate'

Craven says, 'its not so much damage either'

Phoenix says, 'Zeirath vs Asmodean'

Craven says, 'tis the lack of damage your taking'

Vampyr says, 'what a 90 hp backstab, then a 50 hp round, then another 90 hp backstab :P'

Craven says, 'and when its large chunks your not losing..'

Sandra says, 'wfw just puts you in an position to get hurt. Hehe'

Gaidal nods solemnly.

Gaidal says, 'and it does a hell of a job at it'

Craven says, 'if you get a 4 round wfw on gareth, you just saved yourself on average 200 hp in damage'

Phoenix says, 'Zeirath was ripping and demolishing and damcap demolishing every round'

Rowane says, 'the point is you do get hurt'

Boreas says, 'and not gettting to hurt back'

Craven says, 'and got 200-300 free'

Sandra nods her agreement with Craven.

Phoenix says, 'and still he died to a mage who he bashed once'

Craven says, 'same goes for para's'

Craven says, 'a lot of times its not the damage you do'

Craven says, 'its the amount you didn't take'

Gaidal nods solemnly.

Vampyr says to Phoenix, 'i pretty much tanked u out with my sniper :P'

Craven says, 'against, the fewer rounds, the more every round or special counts'

Phoenix nods solemnly.

Phoenix says, 'that is sad'

Craven says, 'I'd still love to see all forms of pk damage halved'

Azure1Guest says, 'yeah, vampyr (old sniper one) out tanked zaba :('

Vampyr nods solemnly.

Vampyr says, 'pk damcap 44 haha'

Sandra says, 'ok, we sorta wandered off again. we have a few ideas on how to make pk more spiffy, anyone have others?'

Vampyr says, 'that would be pathetic'

Azure1Guest says, 'and zaba had a hook and 48 damroll'

Craven says, 'why'

Craven says, 'it used to be 30'

Craven says, '60 if stunned'

Phoenix says, 'best ive done ever is Harvest'

Phoenix says, 'harvest shot zaba for 350 hps'

Vampyr says, 'that would screw str fighters over'

Craven says, 'no it wouldn't'

Vampyr says, 'since they bash not stun :P'

Craven says, 'because a decimate would be 50'

Sandra patiently twiddles her thumbs.

Craven says, 'er'

Craven says, '15'

Azure1Guest says, 'i never fought harvest :P'

Vampyr says, 'hehe'

Craven says, 'I'm saying go that low'

Vampyr says, 'and someone who para'd would be doing 30+ every round :P'

Sandra says, 'guys ;)'

Phoenix says, 'bs zaba you did too'

Craven says, 'but I think halving or maybe 2/3's damage now...'

Tobias snickers softly.

Sandra says, 'lets play with numbers later'

Cirus says, 'Make an area completely devoted to pk :)'

Azure1Guest peers at Cirus, looking him up and down.

Vampyr nods his agreement with Cirus.

Gaidal says, 'It seems to me like it is always the same people fighting over and over again with different characters'

Cirus says, 'Kind of like gangwars'

Sandra says to Cirus, 'devoted to pk?'

Craven nods his agreement with Gaidal.

Vampyr says, 'that would be good :P'

Craven says to Gaidal, 'thats because it is'

Vampyr says, 'an arena u walk in and ur automatically AA'

Rowane says, 'I just cant believe how much damage dex fighters do sometimes, it just boggles my mind, ok i'll stop with the numbers'

Rowane giggles.

Sandra says to Gaidal, 'so how do we get more peopl einterested?'

Cirus nods solemnly.

Gaidal says, 'we need new memberships.... maybe we should put up recruitment posters'

Azure1Guest says, 'because the dumb oldbies are the only ones willing to really PK? :P'

Gaidal says, 'infos.... clan wars'

Craven says, 'because newbies have false images of pk in their stupid little brains'

Kurik nods his agreement with Rowane.

Ea! says, 'Remember that we're talking about ideas that can be implemented without any imm intervention.'

Gaidal says, 'something that will catch everyones attention'

Vampyr says, 'first room would be safe room, no recall, and it would have u d e n s or something so someone couldn't wait at the only exit :P'

Vampyr says, 'and when u died u wouldn't lose your corpse'

Craven says to Ea!, 'not sure it exists'

Azure1Guest says, 'why no imm intervention? immortals are the ones that ha ve the most influence'

Sandra says to Gaidal, 'So, lets come up with some ideas for clan wars'

Vampyr says, 'that would rock'

Vampyr rolls his eyes heavenward.

Ruby says to Gaidal, 'Throw the Clan war idea together'

Vampyr says, 'no one is listening to me :P'

Gaidal says to Sandra, 'well i cant speak for the rest of the mercs but im sure as hell up for a war'

Gaidal says, 'hows tomorrow for you?'

Gaidal grins evilly.

Vampyr says to Gaidal, 'bah you'd die'

Craven says, 'the thing is you have to fight half way clean'

Craven says, 'you have to be RESPECTABLE'

Gaidal shrugs helplessly.

Sandra says, 'lets do this: Everyone say your clan name(if you want it known, if not, tell it to me)'

Phoenix says, 'whats wrong with my title =P'

Azure1Guest says to Gaidal, 'mercs are back? :P'

Craven says, 'we can't have idiots whining on info for 30 minutes'

Gaidal says, 'I dont care if i die'

Ea! says, 'Well, I can tell you why I don't want any coder intervention: pk, even at it's high point, is a small part of this mud that gets a lot of coder intervention. It's been side tracking me from doing other code stuff.'

Craven says, 'we can't have people running at 400 hp and crying about being jumped'

Craven says, 'all these are negative'

Vampyr says, 'i want to be in AP if the GM would ever F'ing log on'

Azure1Guest says, 'didnt he quit?'

Azure1Guest peers around the room intently.

Yvonne says, 'does anyone remember the pkill game Jehannum came up with about two years ago? I think LadyAce ran it. The one with the tokens?'

Rowane says, 'if you all had clan wars, I would suggest writing up a type of contract, have both clans sign and in the contract have an agreement between the two clans on what exactly the war will entail'

Sandra says, 'ok, lemme repeat'

Sandra says, 'lets do this: Everyone say your clan name(if you want it known, if not, tell it to me)'

Boreas says, 'I think tokens made of zip for people to steal and use as trophies is a good idea'

Ruby says, 'Antipaladins'

Azure1Guest says, 'im clan guest1'

Tobias says, 'Lazy.'

Tobias giggles.

Boreas says, 'Hermetic'

Phoenix says, 'Sec'

Rowane says, 'Hermetic'

Gaidal says, 'Mercs'

Cirus says, 'Bahan Soeph'

Yvonne says, 'Coven.'

Chaykin says, 'uh none'

Chaykin says, 'on this alt'

Sandra giggles.

Kurik says, 'why we saying clans?'

Kurik says, 'L5 atm, so noone too'

Sandra says to Kurik, 'I'm gonna try someting'

Gaidal says, 'i guess i'll have to rp killing people for cash since they usually arent aa by the time someone asks for a contract'

Sandra says, 'so, we have a pretty nice variety here'

Craven says, 'hm'

Azure1Guest says, 'in this system, mercs wont work'

Gaidal nods solemnly.

Craven says, 'maybe we should start requiring gm's log on more'

Gaidal says, 'oh well i like the name'

Phoenix says, 'I try and get new people to pk'

Craven says, 'and if not, they lose their gmness'

Phoenix says, 'just look at my title'

Azure1Guest says, 'there are so many people that are wanting to PK so much that they will kill the person for free'

Rowane says, 'heh, you would see the Hermetcis pop so fast'

Craven says, 'having been a pk gm, of a fairly prosperous clan..'

Mornelithe says, 'Mafia'

Craven says, 'the more the gm is on and more "in the spotlight" they are....the more popular your clan is'

Mornelithe grins evilly.

Azure1Guest says, 'altho, the idea of the mercs is a great one'

Gaidal nods his agreement with Craven.

Vampyr nods his agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'when I was killing 2 people a day, everyday, constantly doing my infos'

Azure1Guest says, 'i wish there was a way for it to work'

Craven says, 'EVERYONE wanted to be in the mod'

Sandra says, 'what I want everyone to try to do, and this is just a test really, I mean you don't *have* to do it, but I'll give you all a little push'

Gaidal says, 'remember the MOD? we were plagued with people trying to join'

Ea! says to Craven, 'All of the pk GMs have logged in in the last four days. I can't see us requiring it to be more frequently than a week or so.'

Mornelithe whispers quietly to Sandra.

Phoenix says, 'i was in mod'

Mornelithe throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Sandra smiles at Mornelithe.

Phoenix says, 'cuz i rock'

Craven says, 'logging on isn't shit'

Tobias says to Mornelithe, 'I..uh...still heard that ^_~'

Craven says, 'they have to not be ooc afk'

Craven says, 'not be sitting in their house'

Craven says, 'not logging in for 4 seconds simply to not be purged'

Mornelithe says to Tobias, ':P'

Vampyr says, 'they have to be out pkilling, winning'

Craven says, 'the gm is the clan'

Sandra says, 'I want everyone to think of a clan that's here(or any pk clan), and figure out a way to work up a clanwar with them'

Azure1Guest says, 'i wasnt Mod cause they suck and i didnt start playing when they were a real clan :P'

Gaidal grins evilly.

Phoenix says, 'i can work that fast'

Phoenix says, 'multi loot'

Vampyr says, 'when they were a real clan they rocked'

Sandra says to Yvonne, 'You're lucky tho, because you don't have to. Your clan has one brewing'

Rowane says, 'what, outloud?'

Craven says, 'I guarentee if the presiden of the unitedstates sat on his ass for 4 months straight without ever leaving the whitehouse, our foriegn relations not to mention domestic would be in an uproar'

Sandra shakes her head.

Gaidal looks up into the sky and ponders.

Yvonne says to Craven, 'as opposed to how well it's going now :p'

Phoenix nods his agreement with Craven.

Kaige whispers quietly to Craven.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Craven says to Yvonne, 'at least you know what he stands for'

Vampyr looks up into the sky and ponders.

Sandra says, 'I'll give you time to do it, lets say, 1 week. Mail 'em to me on mudmail, Each per son that sends me a valid one, I'll help get the war started'

Craven says, 'you know he's there for crying out loud'

Craven says, 'over half the pk clans I don't even KNOW the gm'

Craven says, 'and I'm active in pk'

Ea! says to Craven, 'Members of a clan can vote out their GM at any time.'

Mornelithe cackles gleefully at Sandra - whatever he's going to do to her, glad it's not you!

Sandra says, 'everyone up for it?'

Gaidal nods solemnly.

Rowane nods solemnly.

Kaige purges Ragen!

Ruby says to Sandra, 'getting the war started... does that include shooting people with your bow?'

Craven says to Ea!, 'goes back to the mail thing'

Tobias says, 'I don't think Lazy is a prime PK clan ^_~'

Sandra giggles.

Sandra says to Ruby, 'well, no ;P'

Sandra says, 'but I will 'sponsor' your wars'

Gaidal says, 'gareth is in lazy :) or he would be if they would ever get off their asses and induct him'

Vampyr snickers softly.

Sandra says, 'I'll help with props, echoes, announces, big mean snarling(but nonagg) mobs, and the like'

Sandra says, 'but you all have to promise to put in the effort too'

Tobias says to Gaidal, 'Hey. I've told you to come to meet me twice ^_~'

Ruby says, 'I still think we need to consolidate some of these clans'

Phoenix says, 'ok i promise'

Craven says, 'its not going to happen'

Craven says, 'but I'm a pessimest'

Vampyr nods his agreement with Craven.

Vampyr says, 'i'm an optimist and it's not going to happen'

Craven says, 'I need to join a clan and become GM'

Vampyr snickers softly.

Gaidal says, 'which clans are in?'

Sandra says, 'it may not, I put the clan gms to a test and some faile d miserably'

Mornelithe chuckles politely at Vampyr's feeble witticism.

Gaidal says, 'i forgot them already'

Kaige says to Ruby, 'sounds like the perfect stakes for a clan war'

Sandra says, 'all pk clans, and wh oever else here that's in a nonpk clan and wants in'

Kaige says to Ruby, 'loser gets incorporated'

Gaidal nods solemnly.

Ruby grins evilly at Kaige.. wonder what he's thinking...

Gaidal looks up into the sky and ponders.

Craven says, 'I'd like to make one last suggestion'

Ruby says, 'I like it'

Mornelithe says, 'oho'

Ea! says to Kaige, 'nice idea.'

Mornelithe grins evilly.

Craven says, 'would it be possible to accept "rogues"'

Cirus says, 'um....Bahan and PK, I think they'll be up for that, I know I will at least :)'

P-k says, 'ohh, I missed this discussion, but something tells me it was good'

Mornelithe says, 'so rogues too'

Gaidal says, 'now i have to decide which clan i wanna war'

Mornelithe stands on his tip-toes and does a Snoopy-like dance of joy!

Gaidal says, 'ooh good one craven'

Ryan nods his agreement with Cirus.

Sandra nods her agreement with Mornelithe.

Sandra says, 'yep, rogues too'

Ea! says to Craven, 'Idea that one? I'm not sure, I'll need to check the code.'

Mornelithe beeps Barabas on the nose.

Gaidal nods his agreement with Barabas.

Barabas looks at Vampyr and shudders.

Azure1Guest says, 'craven had a good idea? ooh what is it?'

Craven says, 'I'm not sure how to do it either ea'

Craven says, 'but rogues are left out in this accept clans only shit'

Gaidal says to Barabas, 'want to war the mercs?'

Gaidal pushes Barabas away from him.

Gaidal grins evilly.

Barabas says to Gaidal, 'why not?'

Barabas grins evilly.

Gaidal says, 'deal'

Sandra giggles.

Gaidal says, 'lets come up with a valid reason to send in'

Craven says, 'maybe make the state of "rogue" an joinable thin'

Sandra says, 'now, you guys gotta prove that you'r better than the last bunch I tested ;)'

Craven says, 'if you seek it your instantly accepted'

Craven says, 'and anyone considered "rogue" can be accepted by the clan "rogue"'

Gaidal says, 'im not the gm'

Craven says, 'no gm to the rogues or any of that'

Barabas says, 'neither am I :-)'

Craven says, 'its a clan thats not a clan :P'

Mornelithe rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Boreas says, 'just seek and you're automatically in?'

Ruby says to Barabas, 'you wana be GM?'

Ruby says to Barabas, 'or ya want me to take a shot at it?'

Gaidal says, 'do i get to pretend? I have a feeling my great and powerful gm wont be showing up'

Craven says, 'barabas has the baby thing going'

P-k says, 'hey, clan rogue is a good idea'

Barabas says to Ruby, 'do I look like a leader? No.'

Yvonne says to Craven, 'How is that different from being AA, though? ;)'

Tobias says, 'Clan rouge is a better idea!'

Ruby says to Barabas, 'if you will back me I'll try and get some people to pledge me'

Tobias ducks to the ground.

Boreas says, 'Barabas is having a baby!'

Boreas congratulates Barabas on a job well done.

Vampyr says, 'clan rogue, with their own channel :P'

Craven says, 'I'm going to try to take secretives'

Craven says, 'assuming I can get ahold of any of them'

P-k says, 'Tobias, you should start a clan, Clan carrot!!!, Ill join'

Sandra giggles.

Craven says, 'I'm in it'

Gaidal pledges his fealty to Gaidal.

Azure1Guest says, 'secrets out tho!'

Mornelithe says, 'baby?'

Craven says, 'but none of them exist'

Mornelithe shivers uncomfortably.

Tobias says, 'I'm in a clan ^_~'

Mornelithe says, 'evil thing'

Tobias giggles at P-k.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Mandarb's head.

Tobias snickers softly.

Yvonne says to Mandarb, 'That was fast :p'

Barabas is going to take care of other things, is this logged?

Mandarb says, 'was it?'

Ruby tugs on Barabas's sleeve imploringly.

Sandra says, 'ok, so now, you all have homework! ;)'

Ruby says to Barabas, 'pledge me?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Barabas.

Barabas pledges his fealty to Ruby.

You do a slow fade as Tobias whines at Sandra, hoping he won't get to you too.

Barabas nods solemnly.

Barabas says, 'done'

Ruby thanks Barabas heartily.

Barabas waves happily.

Mandarb says, 'what about that clan hall idea?'

Sandra says, 'I missed it, what was it?'

Mandarb says, 'if your clan is more "active" not in safe rooms and ooc, your balance on clanhousing is slightly reduced'

Mandarb says, 'and if they are "inactive" it increases some'

Mandarb says, 'for all clans'

Mandarb says, 'not just pk'

Rowane says, 'thats interesting'

Tobias says, 'Aww...lazy will die...'

Mornelithe chuckles politely at Tobias's feeble witticism.

Ruby says, 'brb'

P-k giggles.

Tobias says, 'Oh, wait, it already did.'

Rowane says, 'no, Mandarb is saying that inactive clans wont be punished, just the active ones will have a bonus'

Sandra says, 'I like th eincrease part =P But I'm not sure how possible, or even if we want to lean towards something like that just yet'

Rowane says, 'I think'

Mandarb says, 'well'

Mandarb says, 'it promotes activeness'

Mandarb says, 'and to log on your characters if in a clan'

Gaidal grins evilly.

Mornelithe says, 'hehe'

Mandarb says, 'if you can't devote the time, don't join, your a detriment'

Azure1Guest says, 'ooh! how about rewarding clan s with a cash prize if they win a PK fight?'

Mornelithe says, 'so last thing i need to do is leave Mafia'

Gaidal says, 'something stinks....oh its all these AP in here'

Mornelithe throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Sandra says, 'my concern is this'

Rowane says, 'heh, so were trying to get back if your not in a clan your a freak'

Ruby starts writing on a small piece of paper from Ruby.

Gaidal grins evilly.

Mandarb says to Azure1Guest, 'people would multi'

Mandarb looks up into the sky and ponders.

Sandra says, 'why is it that it seems GMs are afraid of outcasting people that aren't active? Is it for fear of the clan going away? I mean, the clan is basically gone any how if no one logs in'

Gaidal says, 'my hostile takeover isnt working'

Gaidal grumbles.

Cirus shrugs helplessly.

Azure1Guest says, 'what if say what if it was only awarded with a 10 tick timer before it can be awarded again?'

Mandarb says to Gaidal, 'give it time grasshopper'

Ruby finishes writing on a small piece of paper from Ruby.

Mandarb says, 'thats code azure'

Mandarb says, 'its already nixed'

Rowane says, 'because having their name on the clan list to them seems just as good'

Boreas says to Sandra, 'what are the advantages of outcasting?'

Mandarb says, 'how about a new command for gm's'

Mandarb says, 'probation'

Gaidal laughs with amusement.

Azure1Guest says, 'thats code too! :P'

Mandarb says, 'I know'

Sandra says to Boreas, 'well, why eat stale bread when there's a fresh loaf waiting for you ?'

Mandarb says, 'but I'm cooler then you'

Kaige says to Boreas, 'getting in new active people and not being laughed at?'

Ruby says, 'there mailed my clan'

Azure1Guest says, 'are not!'

Ruby chuckles politely.

Vampyr says to Sandra, 'because bread is expensive :P'

Vampyr says to Sandra, 'well not really'

Boreas says, 'there are very few clans in the position of having all the slots filled and new active people wanting to join'

Sandra giggles.

Rowane says, 'anyway, that is a gm only command, Sandra, how about making it a player command, but you need maybe like 3 members to outcast a person?'

Chanel says, 'what's this? ;)'

Mornelithe shrugs helplessly.

Vampyr says to Sandra, 'but hey why not eat it all up before u start on the new loaf? :P'

Mornelithe waves happily.

Gaidal says, 'pk talk'

Mandarb says, 'pk discussion'

Sandra says to Rowane, 'well, the pledge command is there to fix that problem too'

P-k says, 'there are always new players out there, people like me, and most of the old players are probably making new pkillers, cause they feel the old ones did not meet want the wanted, so outcasting would work'

Rowane nods solemnly.

Vampyr says, 'i want to join a clan'

Vampyr says, 'just no GM's are active'

Rowane pledges his fealty to Boreas.

P-k says, 'I would like a clan myself also'

Chanel says to Vampyr, 'bs ;)'

Ruby pledges his fealty to Ruby.

Sandra resents that! her gm is active ;P

Vampyr says, 'i want to join a PK clan'

Vampyr says, 'not a gay ass pansy rp clan that msot ppl join'

Azure1Guest says to Vampyr, 'no such thing as a PK clan :P'

Yvonne says to Vampyr, 'The only character I have in an RP clan is AA.'

Sandra says to P-k, 'start scouting, look for activity, gm activity especially, and go with what you like best.'

P-k says, 'are any pkill clans acctually active?'

Yvonne shrugs helplessly.

Rowane says, 'I guess we're done, and have homework?'

Sandra says, 'Unless anyone has anything to add, yea, I think we'll close this up'

Mandarb says, 'hm'

Vampyr says, 'yea i'd also like to add'

Sandra nods her agreement with Vampyr.

Vampyr says, 'a quick thanks to my family for always being there'

Ruby says, 'guess if I'm gonna be active again I better work on a eq list'

Mandarb says, 'we need to get that clan individualism back'

Ruby chuckles politely.

Sandra giggles.

Mandarb says, 'make our clans stand up for something'

Mandarb says, 'mean something'

Mandarb says, 'they can't all mean "lets pk"'

Sandra nods her agreement with Mandarb.

Boreas nods her agreement with Mandarb.

Yvonne says, 'quick thing, does anyone remember Jehanum and LadyAce's pkill game around 2 years ago, with the zip string tokens?'

Mandarb says, 'sorta'

Sandra says, 'vaguely'

Ruby says, 'Knights and Merc's were prime examples of a clan standing for something'

Mandarb says, 'I remember it failing'

Vampyr says, 'we need some non-pansy active pkillers'

Vampyr says, 'who are gm's of clan'

Boreas says, 'I hate seeing people just wanting to join any clan. They should look for what clan is best for them'

Mandarb says, 'maybe'

Yvonne says to Mandarb, 'thought it worked pretty well, actually.'

Mandarb says, 'should all else fail'

Mandarb says, 'have an imm mudmail all members in a clan asking for a gm vote'

Sandra nods her agreement with Boreas.

Mandarb says, 'if none answer, the one wanting it gets it :P'

Chanel says to Boreas, 'that's hard to do, most are inactive'

P-k says, 'its hard to learn about pkill clans, I find as a new person, that pkill clans are very offish towards people it seems'

Yvonne says to Chanel, 'so join them and be active?'

Kaige says to Boreas, 'would be nice if clans could be a bit choosier about who they accept too, make that also mean something, but I know when your membership is low that's hard.'

Mandarb starts writing on a postcard from Mandarb.

Ruby says to P-k, 'when this is over talk to me'

P-k nods her agreement with Ruby.

Sandra says to P-k, 'actually, the active gms will always talk to you about their clan.'

Boreas nods her agreement with Kaige.

Cirus waves happily.

Chanel says to Yvonne, 'can't when gm's don't log in ;)'

Boreas says, 'then mudmail them'

Snoring loudly, Tobias nods off to sleep using a front row seat as a pillow.

Tobias says, 'stupid phone.'

P-k says, 'who are the active Gm's? is there a way of finding out?'

Sandra nods solemnly.

Vampyr says, 'GM's should be stated on the clans listing'

Boreas says, 'clans pk shows gm's last log in doesn't it?'

Sandra says, 'check their clan list, 'clans ''

P-k says, 'is there a current list of clans on legend?'

Sandra says to P-k, 'type clans all'

P-k goes EEK! in distress.

Vampyr says, 'or clans pk'

P-k says, 'spammed'

Vampyr says, 'or clans rp'

P-k says, 'ok, that answers my question'

Sandra giggles.

P-k says, 'thanks!'

Sandra says, 'ok, anything else?'

Sandra says, 'sure =)'

Yvonne says, 'I've gotta go to bed.'

Yvonne waves happily.

Ruby peers around the room intently.

P-k says, 'well if where done, I gotta lead AT it seems :)'

P-k waves happily.

Tobias says, 'Bah.'

Tobias says, 'My monitor has the stupid curviness to it now.'

Tobias says, 'Hurts my eyes.'

Tobias grumbles.

P-k comforts Tobias.

Sandra says, 'ok, thanks for coming everyone. We'll have this up on the web eventually ;) And don't forget your wars!'

Boreas smiles at Sandra.

Tobias says, 'Heh. I'd have to be a free agent in a war.'

Sandra giggles.

Mandarb finishes writing on a postcard from Mandarb.

Tobias says, 'Lazy isn't too active.'

Sandra says to Tobias, 'those are the best kinds ;)'

Tobias grins evilly at Sandra.. wonder what he's thinking...

Tobias nods his agreement with Sandra.

Gaidal grins evilly.

Gaidal says, 'this is going to be fun'

Mandarb frowns.

Gaidal says, 'You wouldnt believe how hard it is to take over a clan full of inactive people'

Sandra wrinkles her nose distastefully.

Mandarb says, 'hm'

Mandarb says, 'know what would be fun :)'

Gaidal says, 'i sent out some letters...im confident...then i can kick them all out and use active players'

Mandarb says, 'make yelling in clan halls work in all halls again!'

Sandra giggles at Gaidal.

Sandra says, 'hehe'

Mandarb says, 'I miss sitting in my hall yelling at everyone, hehe'

Mandarb says, 'or'

Sandra says, 'that'd be neat'

Mandarb says, 'make all boards auto updated to be like the rest of them'

Mandarb says, 'so all the halls have the same board with same info'

Sandra says, 'funny too, coz it was funny back then'

Mandarb says, 'okay'

Sandra says, 'well, we can do that actually'

Mandarb says, 'I'm told that exists'

Mandarb says, 'nevermind'

Sandra says, 'just let us know when you have 2 boards, and we'll set them to be the same :)'

Chaykin waves happily.

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